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[AvgWhiteGuy]

I just went from a LG 27" running 2560x1440 to a (XiaoMi)Redmi Curved G34WQ 3440x1440 running off my now ancient NVidia GeForce GTX1070....it is totally unplayable now although all was good with the previous LG monitor. Is it just the resolution or is something else happening here?

My system (specs below) is obviously old and I'm about to pull the trigger on a new rig, but would like to see updated specs so I don't under or OVER buy. Specs list on digitalcombatsimulator.com seems like they haven't been updated for a long time, especially in light of all the massive Dev that's occurred in the last 2-3 years.

 

[MAXsenna]

What's "unplayable"? Frame rate?

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[BIGNEWY]

46 minutes ago, AvgWhiteGuy said:

I just went from a LG 27" running 2560x1440 to a (XiaoMi)Redmi Curved G34WQ 3440x1440 running off my now ancient NVidia GeForce GTX1070....it is totally unplayable now although all was good with the previous LG monitor. Is it just the resolution or is something else happening here?

My system (specs below) is obviously old and I'm about to pull the trigger on a new rig, but would like to see updated specs so I don't under or OVER buy. Specs list on digitalcombatsimulator.com seems like they haven't been updated for a long time, especially in light of all the massive Dev that's occurred in the last 2-3 years.

 

 

Please attach your dcs log and dxdiag we can look for some clues. 

thank you 

[Despayre]

Spoiler alert: You cannot overbuy for specs (only budget).

[LucShep]

10 minutes ago, Despayre said:

Spoiler alert: You cannot overbuy for specs (only budget).

100% agreed.

Pick your maximum possible budget for the new system first.
With that in mind, we can then assist you here if necessary, for a possible selection/list of components.

[AvgWhiteGuy]

Here is all logs from C:\Users\major\Desktop\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Logs, where would I find 'dxdiag'?

DCS.Openbeta-Logs.rar

[AvgWhiteGuy]

1 hour ago, LucShep said:

Pick your maximum possible budget for the new system first.
With that in mind, we can then assist you here if necessary, for a possible selection/list of components.

That's a bit tougher here in Shanghai, China than normal because of current exchange rate, I'm probably looking at ¥18,000 but that doesn't really equal out in a US or EU market.

It might be easier to start with a decent list for MOBO, CPU, RAM from your perspective...just a ballpark, then I can gather info and respond better. I really appreciate some assistance on this, I just went through my 1st Chinese New Year in 10 years WITHOUT DCS. It's the only activity that would keep me sane for 10 days

Edited February 7 by AvgWhiteGuy

[AvgWhiteGuy]

5 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

What's "unplayable"? Frame rate?

Unplayable as in not being able to scan the cockpit while  Free Flight - A-10C II - Caucasus, FPS bouncing between 5 to 112 while GPU was bouncing at 92 to 100%. Massive lag just watching cockpit gauges move

[Despayre]

32 minutes ago, AvgWhiteGuy said:

Unplayable as in not being able to scan the cockpit while  Free Flight - A-10C II - Caucasus, FPS bouncing between 5 to 112 while GPU was bouncing at 92 to 100%. Massive lag just watching cockpit gauges move

That sounds almost entirely like a GPU bottleneck, ergo, upgrade the video card.

Have you turned on the framerate counter to see if it's a GPU or CPU issue?

[AvgWhiteGuy]

1 hour ago, Despayre said:

That sounds almost entirely like a GPU bottleneck, ergo, upgrade the video card.

Have you turned on the framerate counter to see if it's a GPU or CPU issue?

Does this help? This is all running at 1920x1080

Edited February 7 by AvgWhiteGuy

[AvgWhiteGuy]

@BIGNEWY....dxdiag below

DxDiag.txt

[LucShep]

@AvgWhiteGuy Only now noticed your system specs... 
Intel i5 4460 (3.4Ghz 4 cores/threads) and GTX1070 8GB, with DCS 2.9x at 3440x1440....  That's not going to work well.
Of course it runs worse than 1920x1080, because you're now asking that old system to do over double the work for number of pixels on screen (before 2073600, now 4953600).

Honestly, for DCS 2.9x at 3440x1440, you'll really need a new complete system, not even worth upgrading parts of what you have there. 
Until you have a new system, for the meanwhile and depending on what modules and maps you have, I'd suggest trying an older version such as DCS version 2.5.6.

Depending on exchange rate possibility, a budget of ¥18.000 (about 2.390€ur, or 2.470$USD) might be a bit tight for that new DCS PC system that you're planning. 
But, in any case, if this is a system to last, and for just a bit over that budget, I'd consider more or less something similar to this:
 

• CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
  (yes, others will recommend the 9800X3D but it's expensive and only a tiny bit better)
   
• CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120
  (any version of the Phantom Spirit 120 is good)
   
• GPU: Nvidia RTX 4070Ti Super 16GB, any mid-range model version
  For example, ASUS TUF, MSI Gaming Trio, Palit Gaming Pro, PNY XLR8 Verto, Zotac Extreme Airo, Gainward Phoenix, Galax/KFA2 ST Plus
  .........or wait for the upcoming RTX 5070Ti 16GB ? 
   
• MOTHERBOARD: a good but not expensive mid-range B650 motherboard. For example, any of these is great for the AMD 7800X3D (IMO)
  - Asrock B650E Steel Legend WiFi
  - Asrock B650E PG Riptide WiFi
  - Asrock B650 Steel Legend WiFi
  - Asrock B650 Pro RS
  - Asrock B650 LiveMixer
  - MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk Wifi
  - MSI PRO B650-P WIFI
  - Gigabyte B650 GamingX AX (rev 1.3)
   

• MEMORY (RAM): any kit of DDR5 64GB (2x 32GB) 6000 CL30 "AMD EXPO"
  For example, Gskill X-Flare F5-6000J3040G32GX2-FX5 or Gskill Trident Z5 Neo F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5N
   
• STORAGE: I'd suggest getting two separate NVME Gen4 drives, one for system and general files (1TB or more), and the other (2TB or more) for DCS and other games.
  For example, WD Black SN850X or Samsung 990Pro are fast and reliable, among others. Of course, you can also add and reuse SSD drives from your older system.
   
• PC (ATX) case: a good ventilated mid-tower ATX case with fans in front (cold air in) and back (hot air out), at or below 110$ (no need for expensive cases), for example:
  - Montech AIR 903 MAX
  - LianLi Lancool 216
  - LianLi Lancool 215
  - Phanteks XP Pro Ultra
   
• PSU: a good quality "mid-range" 850W 80+Gold and PCIE5/ATX3 certified. For example, any of these will do super fine for this system:
  - Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 850W
  - Seasonic Focus GX ATX3 850W
  - Super Flower Leadex III ATX3.1 850W
  - BeQuiet! PurePower12M 850W
  - MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850W

A system like this will run DCS at 3440x1440 really, really good.
It's not "overkill" and, I think, it's worth saving / paying for a good system base that can keep you satisfied, since day one and for a longer time, after investing in it.
 

Edited February 8 by LucShep
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[Despayre]

Those were not the GPU/CPU graphs I was looking for.

In-game, while flying, press Left control and pause, you will get an overlay showing your output rate, and telling you whether you're GPU-bound, or CPU-bound. Should look something like this (see attached). While your machine certainly isn't overpowered, I'll be surprised if you're not just getting "GPU-Bound" constantly.

[Nightdare]

4 hours ago, AvgWhiteGuy said:

That's a bit tougher here in Shanghai, China than normal because of current exchange rate, I'm probably looking at ¥18,000 but that doesn't really equal out in a US or EU market.

It might be easier to start with a decent list for MOBO, CPU, RAM from your perspective...just a ballpark, then I can gather info and respond better. I really appreciate some assistance on this, I just went through my 1st Chinese New Year in 10 years WITHOUT DCS. It's the only activity that would keep me sane for 10 days

 

The idea is still the same, just more expensive

This is how I've been 'planning' a new build every time (Though truth be told, GPU's I now buy as a 'mid-term' upgrade in a system's life because of their price):

Look at pricing per part for what I'm willing to spend maximum on them

Set the budget for what is currently my preferred parts

Start saving

And by the time I got the money together, see what is now available at that price

[AvgWhiteGuy]

19 hours ago, Despayre said:

Those were not the GPU/CPU graphs I was looking for.

Excuse my ignorance...didn't know about that overlay. What do these tell you?

How ph#ked am I? Both images below on new mission with no other A/C or statics involved

1st image - Cold & Dark

2nd image - Parked w engines running

Also have this massive issue of USB devices not getting along nicely. Devices involved:

Warthog Throttle - Warthog Stick (or WinWing Stick)- TrackIR - TPR Rudder Pedals ...all plugged into powered USB hubs. Almost like the old days IRQ conflicts

But one thing at a time...

 

Edited February 8 by AvgWhiteGuy

[AvgWhiteGuy]

19 hours ago, LucShep said:

Honestly, for DCS 2.9x at 3440x1440, you'll really need a new complete system,

I'm going to take your list below and work with one of my hardware guys to see what he can come up with. There are 'packaged' gaming PCs around but it's a matter of trusting the source. Sh#t...damn near everything is made here, but we (in CN) end up paying same or more than you folks do...insane! I'd almost consider going home to US and buy a rig while on holiday, if I even take one

[Despayre]

2 hours ago, AvgWhiteGuy said:

Excuse my ignorance...didn't know about that overlay. What do these tell you?

How ph#ked am I? Both images below on new mission with no other A/C or statics involved

 

 

 

 

What it tells you is, I stand corrected. As ancient as that video card is, it's still throwing out enough frames to be playable, but your CPU is getting crushed by the demands. So, CPU appears to be your biggest bottleneck right now. However, I can still almost guarantee, that even if you completely eliminate any CPU-bound problems (CPU/GPU-bound means it can't keep up with what's being asked for), that video card would still need an update too, esp once you get up in the air, and there's more things for your machine to track visually.

Edited February 8 by Despayre
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