Extend west

[Dkraver]

As a Dane im very exited about the Cold War Germany Map and especially the annoucement that part of Denmark are coming to the map. But when looking at the map posted i must admit that i got a bit disappointed. The 3 air bases in Denmark are all located in the western part of the country (Jutland). With the danish Figther Wings placed in the most southern air base called Skydstrup. Even though i know that the main theme of the map is Germany. It would be logical to add the one air base in Denmark with Figther jets. Especially since the phases shown goes higher north than the placement of that air base. 
So i wish that phase 3 would extend more to the north west to include that airbase.

 

Edited March 14 by Dkraver

[Convoy]

Please Extend Phase 3 to the West to encompass all of the Netherlands and Belgium please. 

[maks]

Yes please! A lot of interesting F16 bases in the low countries! Both just need little expansion and then we can fly our countries in full glory!

[maks]

Koksijde,Ostend,Ursel fwd base,Brussels airport, Nato hq,Antwerp airport, Beauvechain,Oostmalle fwd base , etc plus all airbase alteady foreseen in phase3

 

Volkel,Leeuwarden,Rotterdam, Schiphol, etc..plus all airbases already foreseen in phase 3

 

 

[misling10]

nullThey would only need to move the line arround 30km, so i think this would make perfect sense, as its the only danish Fighter Base

[322_Smokey]

Nice to see the Netherlands in DCS world, thanks! Only it's a sad that Leeuwarden Air Base is not included. So that is the northern part of the Netherlands. If possible, also a part of the North Sea, so the upper part of the Netherlands. It would be really cool if Leeuwarden was included. Because then we can recreate missions that also take place in real life, such as Frisian Flag.

[maks]

[Convoy]

On 3/16/2025 at 3:58 PM, maks said:

Yup! I lived right by the Valkenburg base. Almost daily I saw E-3 Sentry's, P-3 Orion's, KC-10 Extenders, and a multitude of fighters land from my attick window. 

[Tubesnake]

A little futher to the north, please. So Skrydstrup could be included

[[VBAF] Wolfy]

Hello!

 

I've been exited for the Cold War Germany map from the day it was announced that Belgium will be a part of it. However one thing remained on my mind, will Beavechain Air Base be part of Phase 3 or not. I've tried to replicate the line drawing as best as I can and The base is just right of the line but it's sooooo incredibly close that I'm not sure if it will be included since if you take of to the South-West you almost instantly end up over lower fidelity terain. As a Belgian I'm of course hoping it would be in the map but hystorically it was a very important Air Base for the Belgian Air Force as well. As for the Virtual Belgian Air force it would be an unimaginable valuable asset for placing our training and fighter squadrons there just like in real life. Hope you add it to the List of airfields!

 

Cheers and keep up the good work!

[Skyl2aider]

Including part of the Netherlands for this map is quite cool. However please consider adding Schiphol en Lelystad Airport to the map. Schiphol being a civilian hub likely would have been an important cargo hub for any war effort while Leeuwarden is the center of important exercises such as Frisian flag and other ones in which other NATO partners used to participatie and is one of the main operating bases of the dutch airforce.

[maks]

Maybe a very good sign? The whole of Belgium and the Netherlands is there already ! just waiting to be filled with the art of Ugra!

just extend the coast view more seaside wise and voila ! Perfect!

 

maks

 

Edited April 19 by maks

[wiwa23]

First and foremost, I want to thank Ugra Media for their exceptional work on the Germany Cold War map for DCS. The level of detail and historical accuracy they've achieved is truly outstanding, and it brings the Cold War era to life in a way that captivates both history enthusiasts and flight simulation fans alike. A very well done and hopefull Early acces release if you ask me.

 

As a passionate supporter of Ugra Media and their work, I would like to propose a suggestion that I believe would enhance the map’s realism, historical relevance, and gameplay potential: expanding the current project to fully include both the Netherlands and Belgium.

 

Here are several compelling reasons to consider this expansion:

 

1. Historical Relevance in the Cold War Context: During the Cold War, both the Netherlands and Belgium were of significant strategic importance. These nations hosted key NATO military bases, radar installations, and airfields critical to defense operations. And let's not forget the fact the NATO headquarters is hosted in Brussels (since 1967). Incorporating these regions would provide players with an even more comprehensive understanding of the geopolitical situation of the era.

 

2. Military Installations: Notable Cold War-era bases in the Netherlands (such as Volkel, Leeuwarden, Twente and Soesterberg Air Bases) and Belgium (such as Kleine Brogel, Florennes, Chievres and Beauvechain) played vital roles in NATO's defensive strategies. Including these bases would enrich mission creation possibilities for users, offering more diverse operational scenarios. Also it would give an opportunity to inlcude two training ranges which where used very extensively by NATO airforces. I'm referring to Vliehors/Cornfiled range at Vlieland (Island of the coast of the Northern Netherlands) and Pampa range (Houthalen helchteren a couple of miles South of Kleine Brogel airbase).

 

3. North Sea Carrier Operations: The proximity of the Low Countries to the North Sea presents unique opportunities for carrier-based operations and naval-air interactions from the West (in welcome addition to those from the North). This would add a dynamic new dimension to the map’s potential, catering to those who enjoy complex and multifaceted missions.

 

4. Broader Appeal and Immersion: Fully integrating the Low Countries into the map would appeal to an even larger audience, especially users from these regions who have a personal connection to the history being depicted. A substantial part from this region is an active part of the DCS community. It would surely enhance the overall immersion by providing a seamless and expansive theater for Cold War-era simulations.

 

Expanding the map to include the entirety of the Netherlands and Belgium would not only add depth to the project but also solidify its status as a definitive Cold War theater in DCS. I trust in Ugra Media's vision and capabilities as developers, and I am confident they will elevate the Germany Cold War map to even greater heights during the upcoming phases of development, hopefully by inlcuding the Low Countries as a whole.

 

I truly hope Ugra Media is considering this suggestion.

 

 

Wiwa

[Slippa]

Yep, and add a time-machine feature so I can roll it back to the '40s please .

[Alicatt]

It's not just the range at H-H, between Leopoldsburg - Hechtel-Eksel there are the tank, artillery, and rifle ranges as well as the Sanicole airstrip.

Leopoldsburg is where operation Market-Garden was planned and set out from. 

The dark line that runs from the north down and crosses the road at Molenheide is now a cycle path but during the time of the map it was a railway line, we use it frequently to visit our daughter in Zolder

There are also many military bases and infrastructure dotted around the area, some still in use and some still there but derelict and some have been built over now. This was/is heavily militarised area.

Eindhoven is not that far to the north from here.  

[wiwa23]

Exactly, and good point! Probably there will be more to think of that is in favor for the argument to include the Low Countries as a whole:

 

- The many airbases that hosts a meaningful USAF department (even with a Nuclear role like Kleine Brogel and Volkel). 

- The Airbases that support the military cargo role (with upcoming C130!) like Eindhoven and Melsbroek.

- A relatively small area with lots of relevant military installations.

- As UgraMedia was planning to include half of those countries it is a relatively small area to add with a huge benefit in extra options.

 

[Tengah]

Wiwa, I couldn't agree more.  You stated your case very well indeed. 

This is an important area for military flying with so much Cold War historical significance. Given the eventual size of the Iraq and Afghanistan maps, not to mention what we have with Syria, this does deserve some consideration from Ugra.

Here's hoping.  

Edited April 23 by Tengah

[sith1144]

On 4/21/2025 at 9:51 PM, wiwa23 said:

Notable Cold War-era bases in the Netherlands (such as Volkel, Leeuwarden, Twente and Soesterberg Air Bases) and Belgium (such as Kleine Brogel, Florennes, Chievres and Beauvechain)

I don't get this part of your argument because we are getting Volkel, Twente, Soesterberg, Gilze-Rijen, Eindhoven, Deelen, and de Peel in the Netherlands, as well as Kleine Brogel, beauvechain, bertrix jehonville, goetsenhoven, Liège, st Truiden, Weelde, and Zutendaal in Belgium. That's a fairly comprehensive cross section already? Especially considering there are some very important airbases in Germany still missing from the list. (Hello Geilenkirchen? Home of the AWACS?)

I'd love to see it because I live here tho! But I do think I'm getting enough to hope for other stuff first (My priorities of further additions is basically: all airfields in the current high detail area in Germany > at least one French airbase > at least one Swedish airbase > at least one danish airbase > Bavaria> su-24 bases in Poland > extension to include bases in England)

 

[wiwa23]

4 hours ago, sith1144 said:

I don't get this part of your argument because we are getting Volkel, Twente, Soesterberg, Gilze-Rijen, Eindhoven, Deelen, and de Peel in the Netherlands, as well as Kleine Brogel, beauvechain, bertrix jehonville, goetsenhoven, Liège, st Truiden, Weelde, and Zutendaal in Belgium. That's a fairly comprehensive cross section already? Especially considering there are some very important airbases in Germany still missing from the list. (Hello Geilenkirchen? Home of the AWACS?)

I'd love to see it because I live here tho! But I do think I'm getting enough to hope for other stuff first (My priorities of further additions is basically: all airfields in the current high detail area in Germany > at least one French airbase > at least one Swedish airbase > at least one danish airbase > Bavaria> su-24 bases in Poland > extension to include bases in England)

 

Well, I'll explain. My answer is twofold:

1. As you noted yourself not all bases are included in the area of higher detail (Geilenkirchen for example). So I am not sure 'we're getting those'. So I named just a few (imported ones), even those that could be included in phase 3 to point them out. Furthermore, Leeuwarden like you mentioned is not included in phase 3 which would be a real shame. Weelde and Gilze rijen are on the borders of phase 3, so not sure about those either. Actually Kleine Brogel, Volkel and Soesterberg are all on the borders that Ugra Media has planned to work out in higher detail. But surely hoping these are all included. See attached picture.

2. But aside from the quantity of bases the biggest argument is that of it making a cold war map that is even more complete with regards of historical relevance and gameplay potential including possibilities of carrier ops from the West. All this with a relative small extra to do. Not saying it doens't costs resources and still would be some work. I am aware and appreciatie the amount of work UgraMedia is doing. 

 

So based on earlier announcement of Ugra Media this is how I would love to see it extend to the West.

Edited April 25 by wiwa23

[r_vandenbroek]

Fantastic post and this would indeed be a welcome addition. For me personally it would be the reason to buy the map. It can add complexity with additional logistical assets and just compliments the whole. 
 

wholly agree with your case!

[MBot]

1 hour ago, wiwa23 said:

All this with a relative small extra to do. Not saying it doens't costs resources and still would be some work. I am aware and appreciatie the amount of work UgraMedia is doing.

Relative small extra? You are basically asking to add Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Antwerp and Brussels. It seems to me that these densely populated and developed areas are deliberately not included in Phase III in order to keep resources under control (both development and actually running the map). It has yet to be proven that even Phase III as currently envisioned remains playable.

Edited April 25 by MBot

[Tengah]

4 minutes ago, MBot said:

Relative small cost? You are basically asking to add Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Antwerp and Brussels. It seems to me that these densely populated and developed areas are deliberately not included in Phase III in order to keep resources under control (both development and actually running the map). It has yet to be proven that even Phase III as currently envisioned remains playable.

Some of these resources could be recuperated by removing the misplaced brush from airfields, doing away with much of the airfield flightline equipment, the air racing cones, Hot Air Balloons, etc.

Edited April 25 by Tengah

[MBot]

Just now, Tengah said:

Some of these resources could be recuperated from removing the misplaced brush from airfields, doing away with much of the airfield flightline equipment, the air racing cones, Hot Air Balloons, etc.

Right, removing hot air balloons and air racing cones will surely make available the performance to add a multi-million inhabitants metropolitan area

[Tengah]

2 minutes ago, MBot said:

Right, removing hot air balloons and air racing cones will surely make available the performance to add a multi-million inhabitants metropolitan area

 

"Some of the resources could be recuperated."

[wiwa23]

35 minutes ago, MBot said:

Relative small extra? You are basically asking to add Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Antwerp and Brussels. It seems to me that these densely populated and developed areas are deliberately not included in Phase III in order to keep resources under control (both development and actually running the map). It has yet to be proven that even Phase III as currently envisioned remains playable.

Well I'll leave that to the ones with the real expertize and really qualified to judge including justifying resources which is Ugra Media. I like to believe in opportunities first and still believe I have a strong argument to make this happen. Maybe you're right, maybe you're not. It's up to Ugra Media.  

Edited April 25 by wiwa23