waiting for resolution ED/RAZBAM Situation Info & Discussion

[JuiceIsLoose]

1 hour ago, Kang said:

Would it be possible to have a little official clarification on whether not the 'HAWK Clause' does or does not apply to any Razbam-made modules? Or is in general applicable or not?

I think it's pretty clear it doesn't apply to any of the Razbam Modules, seeing as the following is in the first post by 9L:
"All modules continue to function 'as is' and despite not receiving any access to source codes or cooperation from Razbam and its external developers, Eagle Dynamics will do its best to ensure that these modules continue to function in 2.9.X.".

I would take from that statement that ED does not have access to the source code of any Razbam module, they plainly spell it out.

Edited 11 hours ago by JuiceIsLoose

[Esac_mirmidon]

And other 3rd parties?

We still dont know.

[aaronwhite]

3 hours ago, JuiceIsLoose said:

I think it's pretty clear it doesn't apply to any of the Razbam Modules, seeing as the following is in the first post by 9L:
"All modules continue to function 'as is' and despite not receiving any access to source codes or cooperation from Razbam and its external developers, Eagle Dynamics will do its best to ensure that these modules continue to function in 2.9.X.".

I would take from that statement that ED does not have access to the source code of any Razbam module, they plainly spell it out.

In fairness, as with most things like this, we have to infer a bit. I don't know that we will ever know for sure if Razbam was or wasn't required by their contract to provide the source code. ED withholding payment from the only 3rd party dev that we have had confirmed wasn't providing their source code makes me think that maybe the lack of source code sharing for the modules was kind of the crux of the whole issue, but like I said before, that's just a lot of inferring on my part while not really having the whole picture.

The hope is that the bridges aren't permanently burned, and maybe at the end of all of this, ED can at least get the source code in exchange for whatever agreement they make, but that feels optimistic given the way things have played out so far. 

[JuiceIsLoose]

1 hour ago, aaronwhite said:

In fairness, as with most things like this, we have to infer a bit. I don't know that we will ever know for sure if Razbam was or wasn't required by their contract to provide the source code. ED withholding payment from the only 3rd party dev that we have had confirmed wasn't providing their source code makes me think that maybe the lack of source code sharing for the modules was kind of the crux of the whole issue, but like I said before, that's just a lot of inferring on my part while not really having the whole picture.

The hope is that the bridges aren't permanently burned, and maybe at the end of all of this, ED can at least get the source code in exchange for whatever agreement they make, but that feels optimistic given the way things have played out so far. 

I mean I think it’s obvious RB isn’t going to do anything unless they get paid. And seeing as ED for some reason doesn’t seem to be willing to pay, even with this last agreement that was signed in 2024, I don’t see anything ever happening. Thus, the agreement getting withdrawn. 
 

The reasoning why ED isn't willing to pay is only known to them, they seem pretty tight lipped about it, which is their choice. 
 

And it’s not like another third party is gonna buy the source code from RB like people keep hoping for. One, I doubt RB would just sell of their source code. And twoWhy would another third party take the risk to buy it? They’d then be fighting with ED for payments too. No way a third party would sign up for that. 

[Hammer1-1]

3 hours ago, JuiceIsLoose said:

 And two; Why would another third party take the risk to buy it? They’d then be fighting with ED for payments too. No way a third party would sign up for that. 

Why would they be fighting ED for payments as well? You follow your contractual agreements, you get paid. You can treat your employer like crap and they still have to abide the contract; if your product is worth it then you can get away with things most people cant. If Razbam were to sell to another 3rd party they would only inherit the problems with the module, not the financial issues.