Possible replacements for the Razbam modules if reconcilation isn't possible?

[Tank50us]

27 minutes ago, Tom P said:

I'm sure people liked the hawk as well. Look how that turned out

and how many Trainers have we gotten since? I could be mistaken, but the Hawk was probably the first... now we have the L39, C101, and the MB339... plus one of the Mirage F1 variants is a two-seat trainer.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

55 minutes ago, Tom P said:

Ope, this thread is now past 30 posts. ED doesn't have time to look at this topic anymore.

ED running into this thread "Lemme scootch past ya der."

[Czar66]

1 hour ago, bfr said:

You can already get credit back from DCS if you bought the F-15E from them (Steam purchases are another matter). I suppose if a hypothetical in-house F-15E ever came into being then DCS MIGHT offer a discount to any RB F-15E owners who never asked for a refund. It'd be a tougher sell though if a different third-party did a remake to then expect them to sell a number of units at a very significant discount.

I meant it more about the Mirage, Harrier and MiG-19 than the F-15E. Yeah, I'm still able to refund the 15E at any time but the Mirage 2000 is something I've always wanted in a sim. Specifically this very variant and it bothers me that I'll have to purchase it again at some time.

It bothers me as well that I made a friend get the 15E and he got it from Steam and there is currently zero chance he can get a refund. Not that he's asking one or bothered, but personally I feel gutted.

Edited 5 hours ago by Czar66

[bfr]

1 minute ago, Czar66 said:

I meant it more about the Mirage, Harrier and MiG-19 than the F-15E. Yeah, I'm still able to refund the 15E at any time but the Mirage 2000 is something I've always wanted in a sim. Specifically this very variant and it bothers me that I'll have to purchase it again at some time.

I'm sort of in the same boat as an owner of the Strike Eagle and the Harrier. I'm kind of OK regarding the Harrier as I've had it since launch so have had about 7 years use out of it.  I'd kind of like to see credit or similar for the Strike Eagle though as it hit the buffers so early in its lifespan.

[Czar66]

9 minutes ago, bfr said:

I'm sort of in the same boat as an owner of the Strike Eagle and the Harrier. I'm kind of OK regarding the Harrier as I've had it since launch so have had about 7 years use out of it.  I'd kind of like to see credit or similar for the Strike Eagle though as it hit the buffers so early in its lifespan.

: ( yeah...
The Harrier was the next in line for me, just before this stuff started.
I'd guess there would be a hit on trust once again if older modules started being sunset instead of leaving anything towards the 'replacement' purchase. I'm not too pessimistic about this possibility... but again, "anything is subject to change".

[wilbur81]

10 hours ago, TheFreshPrince said:

Diverting time and ressources from other projects just to replace these aircraft doesn't seem right. ED seems to be overburdened already with their stuff. 

100% correct. 

Edited 4 hours ago by wilbur81

[bfr]

20 minutes ago, Czar66 said:

: ( yeah...
The Harrier was the next in line for me, just before this stuff started.
I'd guess there would be a hit on trust once again if older modules started being sunset instead of leaving anything towards the 'replacement' purchase. I'm not too pessimistic about this possibility... but again, "anything is subject to change".

FWIW I was considering picking up the Mirage at the next sale (as it was usually a 50% reduction) right at the same time a couple of years back that Razbam stuff started not appearing in sales (which with hindsight was the first sign all was not well).

[Czar66]

11 minutes ago, bfr said:

FWIW I was considering picking up the Mirage at the next sale (as it was usually a 50% reduction) right at the same time a couple of years back that Razbam stuff started not appearing in sales (which with hindsight was the first sign all was not well).

huh.......good catch! I recall it happening.

[upyr1]

4 hours ago, bfr said:

Yeah there were a lot of things teased by RB over the years that never really went anywhere.  Like I said, originally i'm pretty sure what ended up as the AV8B was meant to be an FRS1 and looking at that then attempts to derive an FRS1 from the AV8B didn't go anywhere either.

4 hours ago, Czar66 said:

The date left me wondering what it was an AI asset for the SA asset pack or a module 

[F-2]

A few thoughts

the mirage 2000, most of the documentation used is publicly available. Some misc documents related to the 2000-5 exist

 

F-15, there are some F-15SA (Saudi EX) manuals around, a few hundred pages. Not sure what they would do for radar but most of the plane itself is well documented.

 

Sea harrier. In addition to the manuals being publicly available (albeit not online) some papers from the UK national archives on Blue Vixen are available and quite detailed.

[jaguara5]

The publicly available documentation for the M2000C (let alone the -5)is almost non existent.Dassault / French are very strict on keeping all the manuals classified. Real HAF pilot told me that they have to study all the materials on a secret  place inside the base, absolute  nothing is leaking outside. Razbam managed to develop the plane to the current  level only after their collaboration with the French Air Force, which was an  unthinkable gift to the flight sim  community. I hope we will not loose it

Edited 4 minutes ago by jaguara5