can not reproduce R-27R missing targets also as 27ER.

[Ironhand]

16 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said:

How much of this do we think is chaff? 
 

It seems ridiculous to me how it seems to respond to severely to pretty much any chaff at any aspect. It is not simply guiding for center mass between chaff and target but making wild snaking maneuvers that send it ridiculously off course. 
 

Against AIM-7M, chaff causes no such maneuvers, only a loss of lock if you happen to chaff close enough to the beam with enough chaff. 
 

The radar is written to be resistant to chaff, I can’t imagine the missile aren’t also being monopulse pulse Doppler. I will upload tracks soon 

I do see it miss target pretty often just barely without chaff, but these are clearly two different behaviors that result In misses 

If the R-27 R/ER was the Cookie Monster, most of the cookies would be eaten. Anytime I test without chaff available, the hit rate goes way up. That even applies to long-range shots toward the outer limits. Using Dipirona4100’s R-27 track, I went from something like 12 out of 20 hits with the first missile to 19 out of 20 after removing the target’s chaff in the ME. Admittedly, that’s not a lot of trials but…

[wumas0201]

SO SAD

I pay the money to get the MiG-29, but all I got was a useless R-27 missile.

No wonder I get beaten up by the blue team on popular PvP servers.

Please, ED, fix this as soon as possible so the red team can have a fighting chance against the blue team.
PLEASE PLEASE

[AeriaGloria]

The chaff weakness is ridiculous. Wild maneuvers from chaff even if not beaming. I know from reading manuals that N-019 is resistant to chaff, idk about R-27R/ER but I can’t imagine it’s monopulse seeker is this weak when deformed in tandem when N-019. 
 

With this weakness to chaff, it’s almost 99% chance of decoying this missile as long as you know how to release chaff. 
 

Im not an expert on radar, but I expect this maybe from R-3R or AIM-7E, but 1980s R-27R/ER? 
 

The real kicker is all AIM-7 variants are still using original chaff modeling. They will not maneuver or swing wildly to the side from chaff. If you release chaff in the notch enough they decoy yes, but before that point chaff has 0 effect. 
 

AIM-7M/MH/P should have about equal accuracy to R-27R/ER, whatever is believed the missiles are comparable and I’m not sure it is completely known if one was weaker to chaff then the other, and definitly not to your average consumer. 
 

This is a game and a sim, and it feels wildly un fun right now and I’m not sure about this simulation of chaff. You could bring AIM-7M/MH/P to same level but then what, we just have almost 100% chance to decoy a 1980s fox 1 in 0 degree aspect straight and level flight? 
 

I am so confused. It’s been a few patches and many weeks since MiG-29 FF came out. And its really reduced the value of the module to be so gimped compared to AIM-7. 
 

I get that some weapons might get realistic things modeled before others, but this is too much when AIM-7E/R-3R is more accurate, it’s been over a month and a half with no end in sight, and we have no idea when or even if this module will have the value or parity of a blufor sparrow thrower in a 1980s environment. I am sorry but this is getting more serious to me then your average bug track when it seems we have no end in sight to this lop sided game of R-27R/ER being chaffed with no effort and a AIM-7E hitting fine. 

AIM-7chaff.trk R-27chaff6.trk aim-7chaff2.trk R-27chaff3.trk R-27chaff1.trk

Edited 4 hours ago by AeriaGloria

[Drona]

Completely agree. It gives no incentive to fly the FF MiG-29 in its intended and primary role because its primary BVR weapon is so gimped. To hell with your "new seeker model". Bring the old seeker model back. Or if ED intends to keep this model, please adjust the chaff resistance. It's as @AeriaGloria says, 99% miss when chaff is introduced.