Buttons for flaps up and down

[YoYo]

Buttons for flaps up and down but step by step.

Currently, we only have F (fully up and down) and individual flap positions (off, take-off and landing), but it would be nice to have the flap positions up one level and down one level. While this is less realistic, it's easier to set up the controllers.

Edited yesterday at 09:10 PM by YoYo

[CF104]

2 hours ago, YoYo said:

Buttons for flaps up and down but step by step.

Currently, we only have F (fully up and down) and individual flap positions (off, take-off and landing), but it would be nice to have the flap positions up one level and down one level. While this is less realistic, it's easier to set up the controllers.

In real life, the Mig-29 only has 2 flap positions. Up and Down. See this other thread where it explains why the flap selector panel has an UP and 2 Down switches.

 

Edited 23 hours ago by CF104

[YoYo]

6 minutes ago, CF104 said:

In real life, the Mig-29 only has 2 flap positions. Up and Down. See this other thread where it explains why the flap selector panel has an UP and 2 Down switches.

 

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Did you read carefully what I wrote?

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

6 minutes ago, YoYo said:

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Did you read carefully what I wrote?

What does it matter? Just use flaps up as your “up one level” and either take off flaps or landing flaps as your “down one level”.

It doesn’t matter, as they are functionally the same.

[YoYo]

3 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

What does it matter? Just use flaps up as your “up one level” and either take off flaps or landing flaps as your “down one level”.

It doesn’t matter, as they are functionally the same.

It doesn't work that way. You have three buttons for flaps: off, takeoff, and landing. Having two flap buttons won't give you the takeoff position, for example. The current setup doesn't work on an up and down basis (which is realistic, but not very convenient, as I mentioned, if you only want to use two buttons for flaps only).

[Nealius]

As earlier mentioned, there is no "takeoff" position at all. The "takeoff" position button gives the exact same flap/slat settings as the "landing" position. This makes sense from a manufacturing perspective because it's easier to re-use MiG-21 cockpit parts or whatever instead of making an entirely separate switch box for the MiG-29. 

However what I don't get is why the indicator also shows a half-flaps settings when it's clearly been designed in the shape of a MiG-29 and has not been recycled from another aircraft like the flaps switch box has.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

4 hours ago, YoYo said:

It doesn't work that way

I suggest you read through that thread. There have been discussions about it on the Russian forum too, apparently.

Edited 14 hours ago by Raven (Elysian Angel)

[YoYo]

8 hours ago, Nealius said:

As earlier mentioned, there is no "takeoff" position at all. The "takeoff" position button gives the exact same flap/slat settings as the "landing" position. This makes sense from a manufacturing perspective because it's easier to re-use MiG-21 cockpit parts or whatever instead of making an entirely separate switch box for the MiG-29. 

However what I don't get is why the indicator also shows a half-flaps settings when it's clearly been designed in the shape of a MiG-29 and has not been recycled from another aircraft like the flaps switch box has.

This is not true. The Take-off (in Russian: VZLOT) and Landing (in Russian: PASADKA) positions of buttons provide different configurations.

This was also confirmed to me a moment ago by a pilot I know who flew the MiG-29 9-12A for 12 years in our military. The roll angle is different, even if it's not visible in the DCS.

This has been confirmed here, there are basically 3 different configurations:

This does not change the fact that I think we should still have a setting for the up and down buttons of flaps and that is what this request is about.

Edited 10 hours ago by YoYo

[TheBiggerBass]

Providing flaps as an axis binding would be great, also for other mods.

[Bremspropeller]

2 hours ago, YoYo said:

This was also confirmed to me a moment ago by a pilot I know who flew the MiG-29 9-12A for 12 years in our military. The roll angle is different, even if it's not visible in the DCS.

Which "roll angle"?

According to the 29G manual, there's no difference between the two down buttons. That's what they're actually called: "One UP and two DOWN" buttons.

[YoYo]

2 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Which "roll angle"?

Flap deflection angle, It's also important to remember that the MiG-29 has adjustable flaps at the front. These aren't slats like the F-16.

   

- front flap opening max angle = 20°
- rear flap opening max angle = 25°

Edited 5 hours ago by YoYo

[Bremspropeller]

Technically the 29 has slats and the 16 has LEFs, but that's just a tangent on semantics.

 

The 29G manual says the LEFs [sic!] are out when:

- either of the two flap DOWN buttons is pressed

- landing gear is selected down (gear down overrides flap up)

- maneuvering (greater than 8.7° AoA for extension, lower than 7° AoA for retraction, Mach below 0.8 [+0.1 / -0.05])

More LEF trivia:

- "LEF out" disengages differential taileron

- the Damper AFCS mode will counteract any pitch moments due to LEF operation (unless flaps are down)

 

[Кош]

9 часов назад, YoYo сказал:

This is not true. The Take-off (in Russian: VZLOT) and Landing (in Russian: PASADKA) positions of buttons provide different configurations.

This was also confirmed to me a moment ago by a pilot I know who flew the MiG-29 9-12A for 12 years in our military. The roll angle is different, even if it's not visible in the DCS.

This has been confirmed here, there are basically 3 different configurations:

This does not change the fact that I think we should still have a setting for the up and down buttons of flaps and that is what this request is about.

Pilot-engineer is read as "pilot minus engineer"(vvs running joke, sorry). There is only one flaps extended position, and it's 25 degrees. Leading edge is 20 degrees both for takeoff and landing.

Edited 58 minutes ago by Кош