Thrustmaster MFD Cougar

[Nightcargo]

Thanks MastifF,

 

Are you running any extrators or just editing the lua of BS?

 

Does this hurt performance (FPS)?

[71st_Mastiff]

these MFD's are the bomb! Makes my cockpit so much easier to handle. :thumbup:

[71st_Mastiff]

Thanks MastifF,

 

Are you running any extrators or just editing the lua of BS?

 

Does this hurt performance (FPS)?

 

for my set up no I avrg 19 to 37 on DCS BS. no I'm not running any thing but the DCS SW. :thumbup:

[Nightcargo]

Thanks for the help and sorry for the questions. On my phone so can't open the files right now. I guess the modded .lau has something like:

Primary display = 1920x1200

Mfd 1 = 800x600 shkval.

Mfd 2 = 800x600 Abris

 

Or something like that.

 

Did you take a performance hit with these or were you running those FPS's prior?

 

Thanks again

[71st_Mastiff]

well the Mutlimonitor function for A10cBeta is still not working. I tought you knew that?

 

did you read the

FAQ on the beta thread?

 

and as far as FPS hits for those none whats so ever.

 

and its the same for Black shark. With my system I have on avrge 19 to 37 for Black Shark.

 

A10c with windowed mode I have fps27 to 37.

 

Thanks for the help and sorry for the questions. On my phone so can't open the files right now. I guess the modded .lau has something like:

Primary display = 1920x1200

Mfd 1 = 800x600 shkval.

Mfd 2 = 800x600 Abris

 

Or something like that.

 

Did you take a performance hit with these or were you running those FPS's prior?

 

Thanks again

[Succellus]

An interesting question will be the performance of the exported info into USB/ non USB monitors for the CMFD the a10 C sport on.

If those mini monitors can handle the info well without much delay its gonna be a blast.

I m just not buying them now because of this.... no wait, its because i m broke...and have to gather for TM warthog after march 2011.

[71st_Mastiff]

oh thats what your asking; no I don't see a difference. I push a button on the MFD osb and it also corresponds to the button being pressed in the virtual world. same with the flight controls I can press the pov up, down, left, right and see it also moving in the virtual world. :thumbup: I do not see any delays.

 

An interesting question will be the performance of the exported info into USB/ non USB monitors for the CMFD the a10 C sport on.

If those mini monitors can handle the info well without much delay its gonna be a blast.

I m just not buying them now because of this.... no wait, its because i m broke...and have to gather for TM warthog after march 2011.

[Nightcargo]

I know it's not working in A10 yet, but would like to be ready when implemented. I'll use in BS for now. I was just wondering how you specify what images appear where. That's what my example .lau was about since I can't open the files you sent since I'm not at home but on my phone.

 

You pit is awesome.

[Weidlich]

Do you think this USB Screens would fit into the MFD Cougar Pack?

Am I able to connect two of them to my PC?

 

Samsung SPF-700T

 

7" - 4:3 aspect ratio with a resolution of 800x600

 

Here's just a german link. The US Link does not work, however the version is the same (700T):

http://www.samsung.de/de/Privatkunden/Buero/PhotoFrames/spf700t/LP07TSLSBTEN/detail.aspx?atab=specifications

 

Greets

Atte

Edited October 14, 2010 by Weidlich

[amalahama]

Do you think this USB Screens would fit into the MFD Cougar Pack?

Am I able to connect two of them to my PC?

 

Samsung SPF-700T

 

7" - 4:3 aspect ratio with a resolution of 800x600

 

Here's just a german link. The US Link does not work, however the version is the same (700T):

http://www.samsung.de/de/Privatkunden/Buero/PhotoFrames/spf700t/LP07TSLSBTEN/detail.aspx?atab=specifications

 

Greets

Atte

 

Samsung U70 is less expensive and probably it can do a good job anyway.

 

It seems U70 is preferred among other LCD screens between Thrustmaster MFD community. I will get them and play with multimunitor preferences in order to obtain a perfect fit.

 

Regards!

[71st_Mastiff]

Samsung U70 is less expensive and probably it can do a good job anyway.

 

It seems U70 is preferred among other LCD screens between Thrustmaster MFD community. I will get them and play with multimunitor preferences in order to obtain a perfect fit.

 

Regards!

 

Can't find these in the USA.

[amalahama]

Can't find these in the USA.

 

Try in Ebay!

 

http://cgi.ebay.es/BRAND-NEW-SAMSUNG-SYNCMASTER-U70-7-MINI-MONITOR-/290484771825?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item43a23ddbf1

 

Regards!

[Nightcargo]

Wonder about the 8" Lilliputs? If they would remove the GAP issue?

[71st_Mastiff]

ok I see there the same size as the 7"Lilliput's, so I think they wouldn't work either.

 

Now the 8" Lilliput's would but I can not find any that aren't touch I don't need touch screen.

[CyBerkut]

It appears that MIMO http://www.mimomonitors.com/ will be coming out with a non-touch version of the iMo monster 10" screen. That may be too large, but then... maybe not. If the software will let you re-size and move the displayed image, you should be able to make that work.

 

I guess some of this comes down to whether one wants to mount them in a panel, etc.

[CyBerkut]

Doing a little searching online:

 

Here is a 9" display:

http://www.buy.com/prod/doublesight-ds-90u-9-smart-usb-lcd-monitor-300-1-30ms-1024-x-600/q/loc/101/212323674.html

 

Doublesight makes a 7 inch version, too.

 

 

Here are some 8" displays:

http://www.ioffer.com/i/Mini-8-TFT-LCD-Color-Monitor-TV-AV-VGA-SD-USB-Inputs-109228159 (scroll down for it)

 

http://www.geekstuff4u.com/century-8-inch-vga-monitor.html

 

http://www.geekstuff4u.com/8-inch-usb-monitor.html

 

http://www.geekstuff4u.com/8-inch-usb-and-dvi-monitor.html

[Succellus]

ok I see there the same size as the 7"Lilliput's, so I think they wouldn't work either.

 

Now the 8" Lilliput's would but I can not find any that aren't touch I don't need touch screen.

 

 

How they don t fit, i m sure i saw a pit with then they where a bit too large fisically but the height was right and the image was reshaped to fit perfectly.

Am i wrong ?

[Nightcargo]

Thanks for the links CyBerkut. If I did the conversions right the 8" displays are twice as expensive. 15390 is $188 I think.

[Succellus]

Werent i broke i would buy them right now the samsung i mean.

[power5]

Wow I want those samsung and I don't have the mfd even. Are those USB video or from the video card? Is lua scripting necessary to make them work I assume.

[Slayer]

I like the Samsung picture frame theres no buttons on the front so much easier to fit the MFD to it.

 

Still waiting to see if USB video will work with A10 I read in another thread someone bought a few and it wont work for BS.

[Nightcargo]

Slayer,

 

I've been researching this awhile and read that same issue with BS. I can't remember where this was or the reason.

[Slayer]

The Samsungs are a no go. No 64 bit OS support and you can only use 1. :/

[71st_Mastiff]

heres mine 7" Lilliput widescreen USB.

 

 

[Kuky]

First few more shots of the actual setup (color is bit off on the photos)

 

 

Left MFD

 

Right MFD

 

 

EDIT:

Monitors behind MFD's are YN8088AV 8" VGA AV TFT LCD Monitor 2 in 1 that I got from HongKong for US$228 from website www.alibaba.com. They are VGA monitors and require VGA port on video card, or you can use use adapter (DVI-VGA adapter). Currently I have them using DVI ports ports of secondary video card HD4890 via DVI-VGA adapter. I also have HD4670 video card, which is a budget video card and I cannot really see much performance difference using either one of them as secondary video card to run these 8" monitors. Later on using GPU-Z utlility that when sim is running this secondary video card is actually not doing any work and GPU utilization is normally at 0 (zero) with occasional "spike" to few percentages... I came to conclusion that secondary video card is only serving as by-pass and it does not matter if this video card is slow or fact.. as long as it has ports to connect the monitors to, it is alright (I would not however pair ATI and nVidia card together, but rather use same brand for main and secondary video card).

 

So this is how I got it working with DCS A-10C Beta 2 (Beta 1 was still bugged about multi-monitor setup so it did not work very well at all):

 

First you have to enable secondary monitors in video card drivers... chose "Extend" and I have them se to 800x600 which is their native resolution (which is what gives them best image quality as each physical pixel on the monitor matches pixel on the image).

 

My main monitor is 24" with 1920x1200 resolution small monitors are 800x600 and bellow shows how they are arranged in Windows

 

 

In Beta 1 to get MFD image working on secondary monitors I had to set a "ghost" image above, since I have monitors only bellow the main monitor and main monitor has to be in the "centre" of the total resolution. With Beta 2 adding this "ghost" monitor resolution is no longer required. The total resolution you need to set in game now is simply adding the resolutions of the monitors as arranged in video card drivers (again see image above)

 

So, my main monitor has 1920x1200 resolution, the 2x 8" monitors have 800x600 resolution, therefore for me with this configuration I get:

 

Height = 1800 (adding 1200 pixels of the 24" main monitor labeled 1 and 600 pixels of the 8" small monitors labeled 2 and 3)

Width = 1920 (width of main monitor only as there is nothing on the sides)

 

Therefore, in game options I set 1920x1800 and ratio will be automatically set.

 

In game options chose MFCD monitor setup, and now you have to manually edit LMFCD+Camera+RMFCD.lua file (use Notepad++ to edit the file) which is located in ...Config/MonitorSetup directory.

 

Mine looks like this:

_ = function(p) return p; end;

name = _('MFCD');

Description = 'camera Top/Center, LMFD Bottom/Left, RMFD Bottom/Right'

Viewports =

{

Center =

{

x = 0;

y = 0;

width = 1920;

height = 1200;

viewDx = 0;

viewDy = 0;

aspect = 1.6;

}

}

 

LEFT_MFCD =

{

x = 120;

y = 1278;

width = 530;

height = 520;

}

 

RIGHT_MFCD =

{

x = 1275;

y = 1278;

width = 530;

height = 520;

}

To interpret the values use this:

The "X" is the starting value where the image will be drawn in horizontal

The "Y" is the starting value where the image will be drawn in vertical

The width specifies how wide the image will be

The height specifies how high the image will be

 

Now, looking at the image above the small monitors are bellow the main monitor. This means their starting location in the Y axis is going to be height of the main monitor (ie 1200 pixels) but this won't be completely satisfactory as, since monitors are not square and are larger thed MFD's you need to adjust for the space hidden behing the MFD's... this has to be set by trial and error individually... and values above will not work for everyone unless they are using same resolution of the main and secondary monitors and their arrangement is the same... and also it depends where the MFD's are physically placed.

 

I hope this will help others thinking or trying to get MFD's from the sim displayed on secondary monitors.

 

 

EDIT: Today I bought Active Displayport - DVI Converter and I am now running all 3 monitors off HD5870... no need for secondary video card now

 

24" main monitor connected to Displayport via this adapter

2x 8" secondary monitors connected to DVI ports via DVI-VGA adapter

 

At first I thought any Displayport - DVI coverter will do but nope... it has to be Active one (taking power from the video card Displayport or from USB port). Also framerate is no longer capped at 30 FPS like I had before

 

EDIT: I ran quick mission to give idea of FPS I am getting with my setup (all 3 monitors running of HD5870) and you can see chart bellow... note the dip in FPS to 0 for some 8 seconds was an ingame pause I had... I get those sometimes regardles if I run single or multi-monitor... also I capped FPS in game to 39 FPS... time of FRAPS benchmark is 10 minutes

 

 

Motherboeard: Asus P5Q-E

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 o/c to 3.8GHz

Video: ATI HD5870 (core 875, mem 1225 MHz)

Sound: Creative X-Fi ExtremeGamer PCI card

HDD: OCS Vertex 2 120GB SSD

RAM: 2x 2GB Corsair DDR2 1600MHz

O/S: Windows 7 Home 64bit

Edited November 9, 2010 by Kuky
fixing typos