RealDCSpilot Posted October 25, 2009 Author Posted October 25, 2009 gadroc, thanks for stepping in. i had to work for a couple of days, it's nice to see how much is going on in the forums (especially morg's first version of a LED program). i made some small additions in my first post to help others to keep track of new information. i9 13900K @5.5GHz, Z790 Gigabyte Aorus Master, RTX4090 Waterforce, 64 GB DDR5 @5600, PSVR2, Pico 4 Ultra, HOTAS & Rudder: all Virpil with Rhino FFB base made by VPforce, DCS: all modules
Timm Posted October 25, 2009 Posted October 25, 2009 Hi Guys, Thank for info. Timm “Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. It comes to us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday.” John Wayne
RealDCSpilot Posted October 28, 2009 Author Posted October 28, 2009 hi everyone, morg finished his g940 led program, it's working very well and a very powerful customizable tool. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=45895 thanks morg! i9 13900K @5.5GHz, Z790 Gigabyte Aorus Master, RTX4090 Waterforce, 64 GB DDR5 @5600, PSVR2, Pico 4 Ultra, HOTAS & Rudder: all Virpil with Rhino FFB base made by VPforce, DCS: all modules
sobek Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 So are there any tendencies by logitech or ED to fix the sloppy center? G940 users, bottom line, are you satisfied with the stick ATM? Still not sure if i should get one. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
morg Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 Sobek, i wouldn't recommend you to buy one. Wait until ED has released a patch, if they do... Atm i actually use it with the FF power off most of the time. I can never remove the hand from the stick but the precision is amazing. 1
sobek Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 Has anybody tried it under falcon? Is the center sloppy there as well? Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
CVW-11 Speedy Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 S! hello everyone! :) I was wondering if anybody knows how to set the Ministick as my designator in LOFC? I was able to do it in the game option screen, but it always moves back to the center. how can i make it so that its like a D-Pad?
Scarecrow Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 I set the ministick to slew the shkval using the profiler, programming in the keyboard buttons for the shkval and then assigning them to a zone assignment for the ministick. One thing i did have to do was redefine my keys in game as the logi profiler doesn't reproduce double keypresses in a way that LOFC likes so my shkval slew is set to the cursor/arrow keys.
Scarecrow Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 So are there any tendencies by logitech or ED to fix the sloppy center? G940 users, bottom line, are you satisfied with the stick ATM? Still not sure if i should get one. ATM i'm not satisfied with the slop. I'm only using the stick in IL21946 4.09 and LOFC 1.12 and they're both horrible the only way to workaround the slop is with a deadzone and a curve rather than linear response. BS might/probably get retuned for the G940 but I don't see IL2, LOFC or Falcon being patched to accomodate the G940. ATM if you don't need a new stick right away i'd say wait and see if ED patch the FF functionality into BS, otherwise the FF isn't working properly in any title currently available.:(
sobek Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 Strange that logitech claims that it's the games that make the stick work improperly, when other FFB sticks work flawless, i mean, they use the same interface, or not? Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Scarecrow Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) Strange that logitech claims that it's the games that make the stick work improperly, when other FFB sticks work flawless, i mean, they use the same interface, or not? I've seen complaints from saitek and logitech owners about the FF and I've seen that even the M$ FF2 isn't responding perfectly in BS, so my first conclusion is that FF is malfunctioning in BS. From what I've read the M$ FF2 works perfectly in IL2. It could work perfectly in Falcon and LOFC aswell I just haven't read any comments about this though. I also thinks its important to know that logitechs FF is unbelievably good in driving games, I've got a Logi Formula force EX and it works brilliantly in GT Legends so I think this proves that Logitechs FF effects when programmed properly in a sim work fine. One guy here in the forum tried the G940 to steer in a driving game and he said there was no slop and that feedback worked well. EDIT just tried my G940 in GT Legends and FF works perfectly across the entire range of x motion (didn't try Y but i'm sure it'b be the same) proving that the G940 will work when supplied with the data So all this leads me to the idea that the G940 is "new school FF" and M$ FF2 is "old school FF" and that sims like Lockon and IL2 (now both ~10 years old) were written with old school FF effects in mind and so can't be expected to work well with the new gear. Also I think BS has a problem with the FF be it "old school" or "new school" and should be looked at asap, I'm maybe wrong though. Edited November 3, 2009 by Scarecrow 1
Pilotasso Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 Has anybody tried it under falcon? Is the center sloppy there as well? It is "sloppy" by design. Its there to stop the actuator motors from counter act each others at the center. .
Scarecrow Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 It is "sloppy" by design. Its there to stop the actuator motors from counter act each others at the center. The base driver is definatley designed that way LogitechMark confirmed that. In game though the sims' internal FF settings are causing the slop, as the base driver is not controlling FF according to Logitech. Same thing happens with my wheel, when not in game there is no resistance 15 degrees right or left of centre but in game that dissappears and there is no slack or slop at all.
sobek Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 I've seen complaints from saitek and logitech owners about the FF and I've seen that even the M$ FF2 isn't responding perfectly in BS, so my first conclusion is that FF is malfunctioning in BS. From what I've read the M$ FF2 works perfectly in IL2. It could work perfectly in Falcon and LOFC aswell I just haven't read any comments about this though. The MSFFB2 works well with these games (don't know about LO, but with the others), as it is my current stick. If what you say is true, then Logitech need to direct EDs attention to this, there seems not to be a lot going on in this regard. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Scarecrow Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 Here is what I think the problam is for the G940 in IL2 and LOFC. I'm going to start with IL2 as I feel it really provides the best example of what I think the problem is. In IL2 on take off you can feel shudder in the stick with the stick at centrepoint, which shows that forces are effective and being transmitted to the stick. After take off the stick goes completely loose at the centre around 20% of the throw travel, in x and y, from centre is met with no resistance. At 20% resistance is felt which I'm assuming is the FF effect of the control surfaces feeling wind resistance. This resistance increases with further stick throw as would be expected. The problem to my mind (and I'm probably wrong) is that there is no mechanical resistance data for the centre point. The pilot would experience mechanical resistance in the flight controls at low deflection due to friction in pulley/geared systems in old aircraft which is not being modelled or if it is it is far far to weak. In LOFC there are no "hollywood" FF effects. The stick simply moves to reflect the trim state and generates resistance at higher deflection but there is still about 20% with no resistance to movement In newer aircraft like the Su25T which have hydraulics there would have to be a centre spring/gearing or some kind of mechanical resistance to stop unintentional stick movement as there would be no real resistance from the stick as its not directly attached to the control surfaces. In both cases i think weak centre spring data or lack of center spring data is causing the slop.
morg Posted November 3, 2009 Posted November 3, 2009 It is "sloppy" by design. Its there to stop the actuator motors from counter act each others at the center. Yeah, but it's ten times as big as it needs to be. Not allowing the user to adjust the deadband is a big mistake by ED in my opinion. Try live for speed (lfs.net).
Pilotasso Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 You dont know how big it needs to be. Electrical motors have magnets in regular intervals inside them. Since the stick relates to them like a lever, the gap you feel is much amplified. And it could also be just software issues. Lets wait and see. .
morg Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 i know how big it needs to be, just to test it in a game that has a good FF implementation (like live for speed)
sobek Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 You dont know how big it needs to be. Electrical motors have magnets in regular intervals inside them. Since the stick relates to them like a lever, the gap you feel is much amplified. Well if Microsoft could produce a flawless FFB stick some 10 years ago, then one could assume that logitech can do the same, since technology and manufacturing processes have advanced quite a bit since then. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
MBot Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 G940 users, bottom line, are you satisfied with the stick ATM? Still not sure if i should get one. The stick itselfe might be great, but considering how I can play my favourite sims (DCS, Il-2) at this moment, I say no. 1
sobek Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 The stick itselfe might be great, but considering how I can play my favourite sims (DCS, Il-2) at this moment, I say no. Thanks for the info, guys, i am broke anyway atm, so it'll be a while. Guess i'll linger for some time and wait for the driver issues to get solved. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
emenance Posted November 10, 2009 Posted November 10, 2009 Im going to keep track of the threads and hope for a miracale. Someone has to do something.... Asus P8Z68-V GEN3/ 2500k 4.4ghz / Corsair 64gb SSD Cache / Corsair 8g 1600 ddr3 / 2 x 320gb RE3 Raid 0 /Corsair 950w/ Zotac 560TI AMP 1gb / Zalman GS1200 case /G940/
sobek Posted January 11, 2010 Posted January 11, 2010 Has anybody managed to solve that the stick keeps stiff when the trim button is depressed (it should become loose like the MSFFB2 does correctly)? Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
sobek Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Has anybody managed to solve that the stick keeps stiff when the trim button is depressed (it should become loose like the MSFFB2 does correctly)? Bump. Anybody? :helpsmilie: Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
27 Posted January 26, 2010 Posted January 26, 2010 Is anybody aware of something that explains what G940 axis corresponds with each axis that is listed in BS? i.e. G940 Right Throttle = BS Joy X Joy FY = ??? and what does R1 on the throttle map out to? I am trying to find the full listing of corresponding axis so I can re-setup my stick.
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