lawndartleo Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 I remember the days of wailing and moaning about Russian equipment dominating simulations like Flanker, Flanker 2. Then along came Lock On that tickled the American player with the A10 and F15. Then came Black Shark and the grumbling started again (never mind that it's a great sim). Now, with the prospect of a highly modeled piece of American equipment looming over us, the vernable A-10, I wonder how well it is being received buy our Russian counterparts. Comments.
Namenlos Ein Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 Some paint job applied and we have Russian Hog. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=777114&postcount=6739
Feuerfalke Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 LOL :D - A Hogski! To answer your question: To my personal experience especially with IL2, Russians are much more relaxed in this matter than most people in the western hemisphere are. Just compare the numbers of users here, which are native Russians but speak and write in English to users from western countries speaking or writing Russian, to get an idea about what I mean ;) MSI X670E Gaming Plus | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 64 GB DDR4 | AMD RX 6900 XT | LG 55" @ 4K | Cougar 1000 W | CreativeX G6 | TIR5 | CH HOTAS (with BU0836X-12 Bit) + Crosswind Pedals | Win11 64 HP | StreamDeck XL | 3x TM MFD
lawndartleo Posted November 12, 2009 Author Posted November 12, 2009 Fred, Nobody is being insulted (unless you are one of the picky ones). It's a legitemate question about the attitudes of game players world wide. Seeing as I can't read Russian, this is the best place to ask the question... general discussion.
Ramstein Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 ask yourselves, what would the world be like if there were never a USA? :doh: ASUS Strix Z790-H, i9-13900, WartHog HOTAS and MFG Crosswind G.Skill 64 GB Ram, 2TB SSD EVGA Nvidia RTX 2080-TI (trying to hang on for a bit longer) 55" Sony OLED TV, Oculus VR
Martillo1 Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 Happy? :D Vista, Suerte y al Toro! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Boberro Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 Happy? :D :lol::megalol: Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
Martillo1 Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 Guys, no politics! Just a joke, I like USA ;) Vista, Suerte y al Toro! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
DanKurt Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 Id like to see more UK and European aircraft. Tornado, Harrier, Typhoon, Mirage, Saab Viggen, and the much improved Westland WAH-64 Apache to name a few. Never mind crappy Russian and US aircraft, give us some Euro aircraft. LOL
VMFA117_Poko Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 Id like to see more UK and European aircraft. Tornado, Harrier, Typhoon, Mirage, Saab Viggen, and the much improved Westland WAH-64 Apache to name a few. Never mind crappy Russian and US aircraft, give us some Euro aircraft. LOLThere are some euro fighters in other sims like Spitfire, Messerschmitts, Fokkers, sopwith camel (Il2, Rise of Flight). :lol: 1
Warbird_242 Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 Yeah we definetly need more British aircraft - why is it ALWAYS american or russian???????
vrv Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 It's always "We don't like Russian or US aircraft, even though they are the greatest in the world for obvious reasons, complain complain moan moan. Give us a Eurofighter." I think everyone has forgotten that the Chinese reversed engineer everything or just copy it and change the name around. Why not a J-11? :P It's basically a Su-27SK. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] EtherealN: I will promptly perform a sex change and offer my hand in marriage to whomever
Bulletstop Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 I would love to see a great Tornado sim, I still have the old disk from the last one released.... I really want the 64 after the a10, but I am a rotor head at heart :). Bullet I7 4790K running at 4390 with a gigabyte board with 16 gigs of ram with an Asus gtx 660-ti and 2 tb of hard drive space on 2 wd hard drives. A X-65F Hotas with trackir4 and pro combat peddles. A kick butt home built machine unfortunately running a windows 7 OS.
VMFA117_Poko Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 I would love to see a great Tornado sim, I still have the old disk from the last one released.... I really want the 64 after the a10, but I am a rotor head at heart :). BulletYeah, Tornado was great sim. It was seriously-thought-out - something like first Flanker. It had complex and quite realistic autopilot IIRC.
lawndartleo Posted November 12, 2009 Author Posted November 12, 2009 Now that my thread has been totally derailed.... I think the engine used by Black Shark would make for a stellar Tornado sim.
zakobi Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 well, at least you guys are not like some on youtube, thank you for that! :thumbup:
Feuerfalke Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 Happy? :D Are you sure? Without a western front in WW2, DCS would probably only be able to simulate German and Japanese planes. ;) MSI X670E Gaming Plus | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 64 GB DDR4 | AMD RX 6900 XT | LG 55" @ 4K | Cougar 1000 W | CreativeX G6 | TIR5 | CH HOTAS (with BU0836X-12 Bit) + Crosswind Pedals | Win11 64 HP | StreamDeck XL | 3x TM MFD
Warbird_242 Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 It's always "We don't like Russian or US aircraft, even though they are the greatest in the world for obvious reasons, complain complain moan moan. Give us a Eurofighter." I think everyone has forgotten that the Chinese reversed engineer everything or just copy it and change the name around. Why not a J-11? :P It's basically a Su-27SK. That's a bit harsh! May I remind you of the best American fighter of World War 2 - the British P-51, built for the British, Improved by the British - need I say any more? :smilewink: And the russian and US aircraft ARE NOT the best!
Feuerfalke Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 And the russian and US aircraft ARE NOT the best! There is no such thing as THE BEST. You will always find qualities in one plane the other doesn't have. It's not the plane that wins a fight, but the pilot who uses the knowledge how to set up his advantages against the opponents disadvantages. MSI X670E Gaming Plus | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 64 GB DDR4 | AMD RX 6900 XT | LG 55" @ 4K | Cougar 1000 W | CreativeX G6 | TIR5 | CH HOTAS (with BU0836X-12 Bit) + Crosswind Pedals | Win11 64 HP | StreamDeck XL | 3x TM MFD
DanKurt Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 (edited) It's always "We don't like Russian or US aircraft, even though they are the greatest in the world for obvious reasons" What's so obvious? Yes America and Russia are two super powers but does that mean they build the best aircraft? Take the Harrier/Av-8* ground braking proven technology still much used in today's battlefield. Vulcan Bomber- I think it still holds the record for the furthest successfully completed bombing run in history. I also remember it was in its heyday unbeatable in the Annual Strategic Air Commands Bombing and Navigation Competition, oh I also believe it managed to get through the NORAD defences when testing Americas defences against a nuclear strike.:doh: Tornadoes where I believe the lowest flying bomber aircraft in the first IRAQ war with many successful sorties accomplished.. For a country the size of one of your average American state, I don't think we do too bad as Pilots and Aircraft designers. I could go on but I think point is made.:thumbup: Edited November 12, 2009 by DanKurt
Wilde Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 Well, Jedi are better than Sith if the "Revenge of the Jedi" is of any measure. Still people love to play Sith in Star Wars games. Same thing kinda applies to simulations. For the player it doesn't really matter so much which plane is better in reality. Hell, nobody really knows, because reality is more complex than a virtual dogfight. As for me, I love flying those Russian birds. I'd also like to fly an Eurofighter, a Gripen or even a Super Tucano. I know American birds are good, but I am not really interested in flying them in a simulation.
Warbird_242 Posted November 12, 2009 Posted November 12, 2009 Feurfalke sorry if it came out wrong but that was exactlky my point
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