Start up procedure

[Ghillied raptor]

I've seen two different videos of how to start a KA-50 up.I downloaded one of them from the DCS website and the other I watched on youtube(developer notes).I notices that the start up procedure was quite different in both video.In the video on the DCS website I noticed the trainer did not even open the engine cut-off valves.Are they both correct?

[EagleEye]

.....In the video on the DCS website I noticed the trainer did not even open the engine cut-off valves.Are they both correct?

Which video shows that? The engines can not spool up to 100% with the cut-off valves closed.:huh:

Edited November 23, 2009 by EagleEye

[Frederf]

The correct procedure is to wait for the engine to spool up "dry" to 15-20% RPM before opening the cut off valve. Opening it early can lead to an excess of fuel in the chamber at ignition.

 

Ka-50_StartUp.wmv ?

 

Yeah that video is bunk. There are sooooo many bad procedures and things that wouldn't even have the right effect in DCS 1.01c in it.

 

He says turn "AC/DC inverter to manual" which is really silly since AUTO position works fine. But the biggest problem is he turns it to the middle position which is OFF and not MAN (manual if switch fully down).

 

He "turns on the ALMAZ voice warning system" but he is just fiddling with the switch that controls the ALMAZ single statement or emergency double statement. He turns it from emergency to normal.

 

He turns on the crossfeed valve before starting which he calls the "fuel bypass valve." That's only used where one side of the fuel system is malfunctioning. If one of your fuel pumps was broken and you started with the crossfeed valve open then you would never know it. It is much better to need both halves of the fuel system to start both engines so you can realize a problem right away or even at all.

 

Rotor brake never released.

 

He starts both engines with one button press with the starter in the APU position but he never starts the APU. The APU shutoff valve is in the cutoff position the entire time.

 

"Turn on the main hydraulics pump" as he flips the switch that controls whether the flight controls are on the main hydraulics or the common hydraulics. It's not wrong but our game starts with the switch in the correct down position.

 

"Turn on the pitot sensors" .... by which he means the heat for the pitots, vane, static port, and mech. clock?

 

For all the system tests he did he never tested the engines/governors or the fire extinguishing circuits or the EKRAN self-test with the master warning light.

 

He didn't bring the throttles up to AUTO well before takeoff to get the aircraft warmed up. I thought the INU heat should have come on a bit earlier as well as the INU. I can't see how AC power was provided without the rotor above idle RPM.

[sobek]

I can't see how AC power was provided without the rotor above idle RPM.

 

External power source?

[Ghillied raptor]

Ka-50_StartUp.wmv ?

 

Yeah that video is bunk. There are sooooo many bad procedures and things that wouldn't even have the right effect in DCS 1.01c in it.

 

He says turn "AC/DC inverter to manual" which is really silly since AUTO position works fine. But the biggest problem is he turns it to the middle position which is OFF and not MAN (manual if switch fully down).

 

He "turns on the ALMAZ voice warning system" but he is just fiddling with the switch that controls the ALMAZ single statement or emergency double statement. He turns it from emergency to normal.

 

He turns on the crossfeed valve before starting which he calls the "fuel bypass valve." That's only used where one side of the fuel system is malfunctioning. If one of your fuel pumps was broken and you started with the crossfeed valve open then you would never know it. It is much better to need both halves of the fuel system to start both engines so you can realize a problem right away or even at all.

 

Rotor brake never released.

 

He starts both engines with one button press with the starter in the APU position but he never starts the APU. The APU shutoff valve is in the cutoff position the entire time.

 

"Turn on the main hydraulics pump" as he flips the switch that controls whether the flight controls are on the main hydraulics or the common hydraulics. It's not wrong but our game starts with the switch in the correct down position.

 

"Turn on the pitot sensors" .... by which he means the heat for the pitots, vane, static port, and mech. clock?

 

For all the system tests he did he never tested the engines/governors or the fire extinguishing circuits or the EKRAN self-test with the master warning light.

 

He didn't bring the throttles up to AUTO well before takeoff to get the aircraft warmed up. I thought the INU heat should have come on a bit earlier as well as the INU. I can't see how AC power was provided without the rotor above idle RPM.

I see, where can I find videos of proper start up procedures?

[EagleEye]

I think the Start Up Producers Note on the main page is simply old. Have you tried the Note`s on the BS DVD? If I remember right, I learned it from these.

[Ghillied raptor]

I think the Start Up Producers Note on the main page is simply old. Have you tried the Note`s on the BS DVD? If I remember right, I learned it from these.

The game hasn't arrived yet so I'm trying to figure out how to pilot it now.I'm guessing it will take away some bewilderment when trying to fly the black shark.

[EagleEye]

Ah I see. Then go with the Note`s on youtube (there are not only the one from Wags). Or make you familar with the Cockpit by using the Cockpit Trainer here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=46091 You can search the forums for Start Up List`s to.

[Ghillied raptor]

Ah I see. Then go with the Note`s on youtube (there are not only the one from Wags). Or make you familar with the Cockpit by using the Cockpit Trainer here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=46091 You can search the forums for Start Up List`s to.

Thanks EagleEye, I'll be sure to check it out.

[Frederf]

External power source?

 

Ground AC/DC switches were off...

[sobek]

Ground AC/DC switches were off...

 

Then there's something fishy ;)

[CAT_101st]

The KA-50 can start on batterys only.

There are many ways to start the KA-50. But there are a few basic switches that need to be fliped in order. batterys / ground power, fuel pumps, fuel shut off's, Start APU, start right engin right cut-off same for left, EEG's on, bring to auto throttle, batterys on if not allready, left and right Gen's. And now you can turn on what ever els is needed, but not required to take off.

[Frederf]

Yeah I know the Ka-50 can be started on batteries but can it supply AC power to the AC power bus with the throttles at the lowest position? The AC generators need 83-85% RPM while the lowest idle position of the throttles only gives 62-70%.

 

Can the Ka-50 start both engines at the same time and without use of the APU?

 

If you watch the video you can see a lot of "funny business."

[JimMack]

Yeah I know the Ka-50 can be started on batteries but can it supply AC power to the AC power bus with the throttles at the lowest position? The AC generators need 83-85% RPM while the lowest idle position of the throttles only gives 62-70%.

 

Can the Ka-50 start both engines at the same time and without use of the APU?

 

If you watch the video you can see a lot of "funny business."

 

That video was done over 2 years ago in the very early stages of development. Please use Wags's start up video.