Guest ruggbutt Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Missed your post Griff, both my burners (CD and DVD) are new Lite-On's. No worries Jester. The DVD burning program rocks for making homemade DVD's. It's easier to use than some of the other products.
aceflier Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Starforce will be at E3 this year in L.A. (booth 7522) bs'ing other developers into buying into there scheme. If you want to tell them how gamers feel about there software. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Guest ruggbutt Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 I can get into E3. My brother is in the "industry". I think I'll show up. I might have to spend the whole time c**kblocking them w/the devs.
bflagg Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Nero is freeware program AFAIK, at least I have such version. I don't have 1.1 yet but if I will finally be able to buy it I would like to copy it on my CD, I will be mad if I couldn't do that. Ruggbutt try using StarF**k, maybe it will help you... It's not freeware.. 69.99 - 99.99 depending on version and place you bought it. You have the version that probably came with your burner or PC. and now guess what?....it's useless with starFarce... I mentioned it here many times... starforce is a farce and should be illegal. A dev using such scheme is just cutting their own throat... .....still waiting for the english CD release... if it doesn't come ... oh well...see ya ED! Ubi screwed us and ED(as reported by 3rd persons on forums) a year and a half ago.. guess what?, to this date I still refuse to buy anything I know of that has the Ubi moniker. Thanks, Brett
169th_Moose Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 I have nero version 5, with SF on my system, no issues what's so ever burning software or DVD. Version 6 howerver, with or without SF. Always had issues with that version ... I recommend you try version 5 if you still can download it.
Guest ruggbutt Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 I read in "another" forum to install Nero after SF games are installed. It seems to work, just copied my LOMAC movies DVD. Now I'm gonna burn me some Crüe backups.
aceflier Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 Is starforce illegal? It should be! ____________________________________________ New York State Penal Law: § 156.20 Computer tampering in the fourth degree. A person is guilty of computer tampering in the fourth degree when he uses or causes to be used a computer or computer service and having no right to do so he intentionally alters in any manner or destroys computer data or a computer program of another person. Computer tampering in the fourth degree is a class A misdemeanor. § 156.25 Computer tampering in the third degree. A person is guilty of computer tampering in the third degree when he commits the crime of computer tampering in the fourth degree and: 1. he does so with an intent to commit or attempt to commit or further the commission of any felony; or 2. he has been previously convicted of any crime under this article or subdivision eleven of section 165.15 of this chapter; or 3. he intentionally alters in any manner or destroys computer material; or 4. he intentionally alters in any manner or destroys computer data or a computer program so as to cause damages in an aggregate amount exceeding one thousand dollars. Computer tampering in the third degree is a class E felony. ____________________________________________ Anyone got a good lawyer? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
169th_Moose Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 I read in "another" forum to install Nero after SF games are installed. It seems to work, just copied my LOMAC movies DVD. Now I'm gonna burn me some Crüe backups. Weird, but if it works, :-)
Pilotasso Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 and now guess what?....it's useless with starFarce... I mentioned it here many times... starforce is a farce and should be illegal. A dev using such scheme is just cutting their own throat... .....still waiting for the english CD release... if it doesn't come ... oh well...see ya ED! Ubi screwed us and ED(as reported by 3rd persons on forums) a year and a half ago.. guess what?, to this date I still refuse to buy anything I know of that has the Ubi moniker. This is why the DEV's couldnt take us seriously, and this is why they still decided to go for Starfarce, and this is why we are stuck. I know its frustrating but speaking like this wont help anyone. .
Starlight Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 What ED IMHO missed to understand is that i) every copy protection is gonna be cracked, sooner or later, so it will happen also to starforce (I've read that has already happened for games like SH3). And sooner or later also FC will appear as a "freeware" somewhere. ii) this kind of community could give great support to any ED product and most of us would be glad to buy an addon to support future developments. That holds true IMHO even without a copy protection. iii) starforce is a very invasive protection. it simply does things that are at the edge of legal software. Installing itself as a spyware, as a system driver so it's extremely difficult to be removed and/or disabled, and causing problems to other parts of the OS/hardware system. It's still not clear what it really does, and since it's tightly closed source, there'll be no way to know this. iv) ED could have allowed an official English CD distribution which made use of just a cd-check copy protection, much cheaper and which causes less trouble v) with starforce causing so much trouble in the community this prevents many people to buy the game, increases the cost of customer support (more troubles to deal with), and decreases the overall feelings towards this game. vi) starforce is not freeware. so when you pay your $ 35, I suppose a bit of them goes to SF. I'm not a marketing expert, but I'm convinced that good product + cheaper price = more copies sold. Copy protections and other things like that are made for companies with HUGE markets (microsoft, symantec, or maybe pop stars on their audio CDs: how many folk singers have released copy-protected CDs?) I'd love to fly with FC for several reasons, but I don't think I'm gonna buy it until I know very clearly what SF does to my PC. I simply don't want to be hijacked by a copy protection system. When a crack for this system will be out we'll know for sure that it'll have caused much more troubles to legitimate users than to unlegitimate ones. Given that SF had also slowed down the release of this game, I think it has caused enough damage to FC. BTW, SF people are not responsible for this. responsibility lies in ED choices. ED had been warned about it but it simply ignored those warnings.
Pilotasso Posted April 12, 2005 Posted April 12, 2005 What ED IMHO missed to understand is that vi) starforce is not freeware. so when you pay your $ 35, I suppose a bit of them goes to SF. I'm not a marketing expert, but I'm convinced that good product + cheaper price = more copies sold. Copy protections and other things like that are made for companies with HUGE markets (microsoft, symantec, or maybe pop stars on their audio CDs: how many folk singers have released copy-protected CDs?) SF according to what I have read, is not the only one installing drivers. The problem is that SF is such a flawed product that its users become aware of it. What ED IMHO missed to understand is that SF people are not responsible for this. responsibility lies in ED choices. ED had been warned about it but it simply ignored those warnings. Guilt never dies alone my friend. ED may have tripped but those SF guys are to be held responsable for the glitches and problems their produts imported into FC. ED is at their right to add protection to their software at their will. I just hope that they dont live to regret the choice over SF. .
Slamelov Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 The Starforce for the Fc was a bad idea, specially for the 5 activations. I think that ED will loose more sales for the Starforce than the Piracy. Anyway, all the games that uses Starforce were pirated, so... I have bought the FC, but Sf is not the best idea to prevent piracy, Starforfe "****s" the legal users. Regards.
Stormin Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 Whoa... it does what now? Maybe I've missed something, but my CDR and DVD drives still seem to work. As do mine.
arraamis Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 IMHO ..... it just wasn't a good decision at all. Micro$oft sells enough software to feed every third world country on the earth for several years. And they don't\won't even consider using anything like starforce. ED's sim development dept. only caters to a select few hardcore simmers & they have chosen to employ starforce. ED will lose a lot of sales because of its decision, and thats just plain sad, because again, ED's sim development dept. only caters to a few hardcore simmers. And in this type of situation, every sale really counts.
Stormin Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 People Like Stormin had long quit reading posts like these... Stormin hasn't worked on any commercial Lock On project for almost a year. I'm not even in the credits for V1.1 because I really didn't work on that project. I still read the forums but I have no official capacity with TFC/ED since I started working at my present job last year.
aceflier Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 Lets get real here. Flight sim fanatics spend a couple thousand on top of the line system to run there sims. Yet lets face it we are not trusted to throw $35 to a developer for the software for that hardware. We have all been treated like crooks. Makes no sense. In comparison I just ordered near $200.000 from newegg for a mainboard and cpu cooler. Last month I got a 6800gt/oc ($400) Maybe Abit and Nvidia will send one of there techs with the board to make sure I do everything properly. Ground myself/no overclocking and the like. This starforce is a slap in the face for people who would otherwise buy the product. If anything this has made me route for the pirates where as before I would have gladly ordered 2 copies of FC much like i did lockon 1.0.. I've supported ED with my 2 purchases of Lockon 1.0 and what did that get me? An uninvited spyware put on my pc with the 1.1 demo. (Had to reformat my pc to burn DVD/cdrom after that) Now they want me to pay to put this on my computer with my new hardware? No thanks. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Stormin Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 Starforce will be at E3 this year in L.A. (booth 7522) bs'ing other developers into buying into there scheme. If you want to tell them how gamers feel about there software. :) E3 isn't open to the public.
Stormin Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 While you have every right to complain, the constant repeat of the same complaints and the "I refuse to buy it" is getting old. You've made your point, stated that you are not going to buy FC because of Starforce. Now that you have made your case, please, PLEASE, move on. If some of you are expecting someone from ED to respond to every complaint then you are going to be further disappointed. I'm sure ED is working on something to deal with the problems. They have ALWAYS supported their customers even with issues that should have been handled by publishers. I have not lost my faith in them and neither should any of you. Regardless of your opinions, how about giving the angst and bad feelings a rest? I did say please, didn't I?
aceflier Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 E3 isn't open to the public. And that's a good thing I dont think SF reps would make it out the door with there heads attached. :) And I'm done ranting my credit card has done its talking. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Stormin Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 And that's a good thing I dont think SF reps would make it out the door with there heads attached. :) And I'm done ranting my credit card has done its talking. I suspect that only a handful of crazies would show up. They could then go over to the Microsoft booths and complain about the Gates conspiracy to rule the world.
Guest ruggbutt Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 As do mine. After messing around w/my rig for four hours and having to peruse "questionable" forums I found my answer. Nice that you had no problems. I did a scientific test w/the same imaged install then added FC, nothing else changed and I posted the results.
bflagg Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 soapboxed only once.. and.... forget it... it won't make a difference anyway..... Thanks, Brett
Slamelov Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 While you have every right to complain, the constant repeat of the same complaints and the "I refuse to buy it" is getting old. You've made your point, stated that you are not going to buy FC because of Starforce. Now that you have made your case, please, PLEASE, move on. If some of you are expecting someone from ED to respond to every complaint then you are going to be further disappointed. I'm sure ED is working on something to deal with the problems. They have ALWAYS supported their customers even with issues that should have been handled by publishers. I have not lost my faith in them and neither should any of you. Regardless of your opinions, how about giving the angst and bad feelings a rest? I did say please, didn't I? Yes, ED always supported their customers, but they did not hear us about the SF problem. I bought the game, I bought FC and I have more problems with the "legal" FC that a Pirate has. That's not the way to fight the piracy, you can bet for it. A "hard to break" protection system is a challenge for the hackers and crakers and always is broken, so, why spend money and time in that absurd protection systems?. People who will buy a game will do it in any case, and people who will pirate a game will do it in any case. It's a bad thing that ED loose sales for the SF and the limited activation system
Pilotasso Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 As of now ED is loosing more to paypal than starfarce. SF damage is repairable, loss of income is not. I think its great there apparently things are shaping up for a third party CD release, wich should have been ED's plans in the first place. I can live with SF in CD version. .
Conuk Posted April 13, 2005 Posted April 13, 2005 Stormin hasn't worked on any commercial Lock On project for almost a year. I'm not even in the credits for V1.1 because I really didn't work on that project. I still read the forums but I have no official capacity with TFC/ED since I started working at my present job last year. what are you upto these days Stormin ?
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