VETORyleh Posted January 18, 2010 Posted January 18, 2010 Let me take this moment and great everyone here as I am new to the forums and a very rookie pilot as well (just started going thru the encyclopaedia that is the Blackshark manual) I recently did an upgrade of the hardware and got the Samsung 120Hz monitor and the Nvidia 3d vision glasses. Obviously first two titles I wanted to check with them - Lock-on and DCS Blackshark and let me share my experience with them (and trackIR obviously): ABSOLUTELY MIND BLOWING, BETTER THEN SEX, BRAIN MELTING ORGASMOTRONIC - the moment you put them on it's a death sentence; you will die with them on! Life will never be the same.... how the hell I am supposed to go to the work tomorrow.... My only request; being in love with SU25T and A10 please oh please work out something with nVidia and support them properly in Flaming Cliffs 2.0!
isoul Posted January 18, 2010 Posted January 18, 2010 Oh poor soul... (he was driven mad and his mind was corrupted by the stunning 3D experience...first Avatar and now THIS!)
GuntiNDDS Posted January 18, 2010 Posted January 18, 2010 In case you didnt know, you can have free 3d without glasses and special monitors. All you need to todo is keep one eye closed. After a few seconds your brain will adept and add the missing information. Since we are used to see things in 3d, the result is a 3d representation. The effect is best if you are very close to the screen, avoid the borders. :) But dont tell real3d and dolby that i spoiled it :)
Cougar12dk Posted January 19, 2010 Posted January 19, 2010 Yea, and you'll end up messing up your vision when you're THAT close to a screen. And who plays a sim with their head almost IN the screen? :)
GuntiNDDS Posted January 19, 2010 Posted January 19, 2010 just buy a big screen, than you dont need to poke it with your nose :D
Chizzy101 Posted January 19, 2010 Posted January 19, 2010 I am very interested in Nvidia's approach, especially with the new GF100 cards due out in the not too distant future. Everyone I've talked to that has used the Nvidia 3D has raved about how good it is. I had heard that the HUD looks out in DCS: Black Shark though, and pretty much all I play are flight sims... Apparently the new GF100 cards will support multi monitor too, similar to ATI's Eyefinity. I had been looking at getting a 5870, but I'm going to hold off a bit longer now and wait and see... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever" - Napoleon Bonaparte
Frazer Posted January 19, 2010 Posted January 19, 2010 Once I upgrade my computer, 3D will be a sure thing! :) What are you system specs Ryleh? Forum | Videos | DCS:BS Demo1 / Demo2 | YouTube Channel [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
CyBerkut Posted January 19, 2010 Posted January 19, 2010 Before anyone (else) jumps on the nVidia 3D bandwagon, they might want to check out: http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/01/05/bit-cauldron-has-standard-3d-glasses/ Take it for what it is worth. The folks at semiaccurate have been ripping nVidia up one side and down the other for some time now. They do seem to make a pretty good case for their complaints though... 2 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There's no place like 127.0.0.1
BTTW-DratsaB Posted January 19, 2010 Posted January 19, 2010 (edited) Welcome to the forums Ryleh :pilotfly: I too have 3D vision and it is very good with BS. Only problem is with the clouds which seem to have some problem, I have noticed a few older games with that too though. CyBerkut: Just read that article and I have to say the site seems quite Anti-Nvidia for some reason. These are there top 5 articles : " Top 5 Articles 1. Nvidia fakes Fermi boards at GPU Technology Conference 2. Nvidia GT300 yields are under 2% 3. Nvidia kills GTX285, GTX275, GTX260, abandons the mid and high end market 4. Apple keyboard firmware hack demonstrated 5. Miracles happen, GT300 tapes out!" Directly underneath is an advert for an ATI5670. Fact is, if you want to game in 3d on the PC you don't have much choice, the Zalman option is far worse. Are there problems with 3d vision? Yes, ghosting is a problem but it depends on the game, mostly it is so minor that you do not notice it while actually playing and not looking for problems. There is also a problem with flickering (solved for me by exiting such programs as SpeedFan before using 3D vision). But when it works, it works really well. Also, most of my problems are more related to trying to get legacy games to work in 3D than with the hardware and this is a problem that any 3D solution for 3D gaming would come up against, no matter who the vendor or how high quality the hardware. The fact that Nvidia makes the GFX cards, drivers and is in direct contact with the game developers makes them the perfect candidate to distribute 3d gaming to the PC and to have it become popular. Edited January 19, 2010 by BTTW-DratsaB Specs: GA-Z87X-UD3H, i7-4770k, 16GB, RTX2060, SB AE-5, 750watt Corsair PSU, X52, Track IR4, Win10x64. Sim Settings: Textures: ? | Scenes: ? |Water: ? | Visibility Range: ? | Heat Blur: ? | Shadows: ? | Res: 1680x1050 | Aspect: 16:10 | Monitors: 1 Screen | MSAA: ? | Tree Visibility: ? | Vsync: On | Mirrors: ? | Civ Traffic: High | Res Of Cockpit Disp: 512 | Clutter: ? | Fullscreen: On
CyBerkut Posted January 19, 2010 Posted January 19, 2010 Yes, they have been on nVidia's case for some time now. Reading their articles is a bit of an eye opener. I used to be nVidia oriented while contemplating what my next desktop would be. Between seeing what ATI has come up with in their 58xx series, and seeing nVidia come up (considerably) short on what they themselves had projected, I had to re-evaluate that thought process. The folks at semiaccurate clearly aren't nVidia fans these days. If only a third of what they are saying about nVidia's current situation is true, then nVidia has serious problems (at least with their consumer/enthusiast grade graphics card line). nVidia is indeed well situated to make 3D graphics products. They have (understandably) gone with a licensing approach. I don't begrudge them that, but also understand that it probably isn't helping to make 3D graphics more popular. Now it appears that other players are jumping into the 3D graphics market segment, and are going with a more open / interoperable approach. If they have the wherewithal to get their foot in the door, nVidia may need to adjust their approach. I'm glad to see Ryleh is having spectacular results with his gear! I haven't completely ruled out nVidia from my next machine. I had thought about using an nVidia 295 card with the shutter glasses and a 120 Hz LCD TV as my main display. It still could happen, so Ryleh's experience is good to see. At the moment, I'm leaning in a different direction, but it will still be awhile before I pull the trigger, so things could look different by then. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There's no place like 127.0.0.1
tusler Posted January 19, 2010 Posted January 19, 2010 3D not For Me! Something no one talks much about is what 3D does when you have a fast Astigmatism eye problem or in my case I have Nystagmis which cause my eyes to flick from side to side very quickly in order to find and focus on anything. Sure fire recipe for a massive headache.:cry: Have fun! Ask Jesus for Forgiveness before you takeoff :pilotfly:! PC=Win 10 HP 64 bit, Gigabyte Z390, Intel I5-9600k, 32 gig ram, Nvidia 2060 Super 8gig video. TM HOTAS WARTHOG with Saitek Pedals
VETORyleh Posted January 19, 2010 Author Posted January 19, 2010 Yes, they have been on nVidia's case for some time now. Reading their articles is a bit of an eye opener. I used to be nVidia oriented while contemplating what my next desktop would be. Between seeing what ATI has come up with in their 58xx series, and seeing nVidia come up (considerably) short on what they themselves had projected, I had to re-evaluate that thought process. The folks at semiaccurate clearly aren't nVidia fans these days. If only a third of what they are saying about nVidia's current situation is true, then nVidia has serious problems (at least with their consumer/enthusiast grade graphics card line). nVidia is indeed well situated to make 3D graphics products. They have (understandably) gone with a licensing approach. I don't begrudge them that, but also understand that it probably isn't helping to make 3D graphics more popular. Now it appears that other players are jumping into the 3D graphics market segment, and are going with a more open / interoperable approach. If they have the wherewithal to get their foot in the door, nVidia may need to adjust their approach. I'm glad to see Ryleh is having spectacular results with his gear! I haven't completely ruled out nVidia from my next machine. I had thought about using an nVidia 295 card with the shutter glasses and a 120 Hz LCD TV as my main display. It still could happen, so Ryleh's experience is good to see. At the moment, I'm leaning in a different direction, but it will still be awhile before I pull the trigger, so things could look different by then. A bit more tame response (the brain melted but was put back together): A) There are some ghosting issues; saying that very minor and depend on the title - no issues with DCS; Lomac is ok as well although here some things could be improved (clouds, land rendering etc); I hope there will be improvement here with Flaming Cliffs 2.0 as I understand FC2.0 will be based on the same engine as DCS? The ghosting stuff does depend on the title and affects more old games that do some funky stuff with shaders. Newer titles run flawlessly generally. B) Performance - I understand there are many other 3d technologies out there; i.e. I tried TriDef stuff with the Acer Aspire 3d capable notebook; works great for movies but when running anything 3d in 3d mode the performance hit WAS HUGE!!!!! borderlands which with 3d disabled did run quite nice and fast with 3d enabled was doing 5-10fps! One thing you need to remember; Nvidia is in a unique position to implement this kind of tech down in the driver level and do many optimizations there. Any other vendor is stuck with doing some kind of driver wrapper which will cause a huge performance hit (nVidia on other hand can optimize!) So with the 3d glasses roughly the hit on avg. was 50% and with the proper setup - not noticable. So utill ATI comes up with a similar solution - and there will be some drive to standardize nVidia glasses are, in my opinion, only usable solution. If you think about it, it was kind of same story with CUDA, everyone had their own standard and proprietary API for some time but eventually Kronos group came up with the OpenCL standard.
GuntiNDDS Posted January 22, 2010 Posted January 22, 2010 i dont see the 3d breakthrough in computer games yet. its an old idea and and old technique. the last 3d-glasses hype is just a few years back. this comes and goes. there are still technical difficulties or "glitches" and there is still the screen boundary restrictions. maybe if we go waaaaaaaay back to the 3d "helmets" that had actual displays inside them, it might be an experience worthwhile. the shutter technique is popular because it is simple. but this simplicity is also the reason why it keeps failing. there is just too few control over what appears at which distance in a scene.
Thunderbird Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 does it affect your vision? like what the difference you get using the Nvidia 3d vision glasses
Prophet4no1 Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 I guess at CES Adam Sessler from G4 was getting sick of all the 3D stuff on display. He even went as far as to say that it really adds nothing to the experiance that he could see. Yeah it improves the depth of feild but other than that, it's not a revolution every one is making it out to be. Combine that with the Ecinomic meltdown the world is in right now, and I think this is not going to take off that fast. Personally, I never liked 3D movies and such. It never really looked right to me. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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