FC 2.0?? su27 vs f15???

[GGTharos]

That the flanker and fulcrum need to use sneaky tactics and teamwork is a function of their radar and weapon setups (the mig in particular is a defensive fighter).

 

I think you need to work harder for a kill in a red bird, but it isn't as if winning is impossible. For Su-27's in particular though, you need teamwork, and you need to know how to delay/dodge missiles. If you don't implement some simple routines to accomplish this into your fighting repertoire, your chances of emerging victorious are not so great.

 

Just last night a Flanker shot me low-to-high. His bigger, faster missile would have got to me first and he'd have shot me down, possibly leaving himself enough time to notch my 120C. If he had F-Poled.

I had done an A-Pole and while he was busy intercepting my missile with his forehead, I was now exiting the fight. He exploded literally 3-4 seconds before his missile reached me. If he had F-Poled, his missile would have hit me well before mine had reached him.

[Vecko]

Just last night a Flanker shot me low-to-high. .

OK, who was that guy? I wanna buy him an beer. :D

[GGTharos]

He missed. ;)

 

OK, who was that guy? I wanna buy him an beer. :D

[Vecko]

He missed. ;)

 

Bummer....:shifty:

[GGTharos]

Like I said above ... he didn't need much to win ...

[Dr_Watson]

I am enjoying all aircraft on FC2.0

 

My feelings are the F15 is greatly improved, is a dream to fly, but, it seems to be overpowered during takeoff. I have watch video's of F15's, fully loaded, full burner, flaps, taking 14-16 seconds to lift off, where as in game, I reach 150kts in around 10 seconds and the aircraft takes off itself with much back stick at all.

 

As far as turning performance goes, I read that F15 pilots the US were converting from F16, think it was Vermont region. They would always choose the F15 over the F16 for slow turning dogfights but would choose the F16 for faster highspped turning fights.

[Robin_Hood]

Dr Watson: apparently, slow-speed handling characteristics (including thrust) seem to be wrong indeed. A patch should settle it ;)

 

Combatace: I don't really understand what is your problem. The screenshots you included show that you are well inside R-27ER range (by just over 30 km) ; just shoot ;)

[RvEFuSiOn]

That the flanker and fulcrum need to use sneaky tactics and teamwork is a function of their radar and weapon setups (the mig in particular is a defensive fighter).

 

I think you need to work harder for a kill in a red bird, but it isn't as if winning is impossible. For Su-27's in particular though, you need teamwork, and you need to know how to delay/dodge missiles. If you don't implement some simple routines to accomplish this into your fighting repertoire, your chances of emerging victorious are not so great.

 

Just last night a Flanker shot me low-to-high. His bigger, faster missile would have got to me first and he'd have shot me down, possibly leaving himself enough time to notch my 120C. If he had F-Poled.

I had done an A-Pole and while he was busy intercepting my missile with his forehead, I was now exiting the fight. He exploded literally 3-4 seconds before his missile reached me. If he had F-Poled, his missile would have hit me well before mine had reached him.

 

 

how about we do 1v1 GG, you in the Su27 me in f15, 20 fights. If you win 1 Fight I will agree with you that the flanker is fine ;-)

If you do not accept, then those are empty words with nothing to back up.

F15 can toy with the flankers in this game.

[Robin_Hood]

Again, you might want to try this after the correcting patch, however ;)

[blackgruya]

That the flanker and fulcrum need to use sneaky tactics and teamwork is a function of their radar and weapon setups (the mig in particular is a defensive fighter).

 

I think you need to work harder for a kill in a red bird, but it isn't as if winning is impossible. For Su-27's in particular though, you need teamwork, and you need to know how to delay/dodge missiles. If you don't implement some simple routines to accomplish this into your fighting repertoire, your chances of emerging victorious are not so great.

 

Just last night a Flanker shot me low-to-high. His bigger, faster missile would have got to me first and he'd have shot me down, possibly leaving himself enough time to notch my 120C. If he had F-Poled.

I had done an A-Pole and while he was busy intercepting my missile with his forehead, I was now exiting the fight. He exploded literally 3-4 seconds before his missile reached me. If he had F-Poled, his missile would have hit me well before mine had reached him.

 

 

First time I see you making big kill ratio's with flanker I will support your words. Please go and sneak, and tell us you expirienced joy flying in this game. Since then we don't need to comment at all. It's obvious.

Edited April 6, 2010 by blackgruya

[GGTharos]

I said nothing about big kill ratios.

[RedTiger]

F15 can toy with the flankers in this game.

 

All things equal, I'm going to have to agree with this statement. I'm not complaining about it, either. It might just be a combination of all the fixes plus the specific fixes to missiles that have disproportionately affected the Aim-120 because it needed the most improvement, but something "under the hood" just seems different about it. I used to find the F-15 cumbersome, even when I was used to it. Now its the other way around. The whole package just seems so effective now. Again, not complaining. ;) Maybe its psychological. :D

Edited April 6, 2010 by RedTiger

[blackgruya]

I said nothing about big kill ratios.

 

No you did not, but you have it, and you wont ever use SU's just bcs of that. And my words still stay on target. Please tell to LO community when we can expect Mr. GG in sneaky SU 27? I can't wait to see that online. I just want to see from expirienced pilot some tactics in real, that's all.

[159th_Viper]

...The whole package just seems so effective now. Again, not complaining. ;)

 

Dare I be the one to state.......More in Sync with it's RL Counterpart, perhaps?

 

It's All Good :)

[GGTharos]

When you stop flying migs :)

 

Please tell to LO community when we can expect Mr. GG in sneaky SU 27?

[blackgruya]

When you stop flying migs :)

 

:megalol: I can fly and SU's instead, do you can fly anything else (A 10 not counted)? btw I expected "answer" like this bcs I get use to it to listen like those when you dont have any for real. Nevermind, all ppl here get the point about all.

 

When I saw new brand LO 2.0 with pics of F 15 everywhere shining around, and only pic of SU 27 in run with a lot of flares behind, and one of Mig 29 burried into ground, I realised whats going on here, and what was goal in LO 2.0. :music_whistling:

[RedTiger]

Dare I be the one to state.......More in Sync with it's RL Counterpart, perhaps?

 

It's All Good :)

 

As in it works better vs. how its real life counterpart works? Certainly. The missing link always seems to be the Russian side. In the US you can walk into a big chain bookstore and buy a book about Desert Storm that will give you a decent overview of how Eagles are operate, maybe even some very basic idea on the tactics they use without getting into the actual classified playbook.

 

Can you say the same about the Su-27 or MiG-29? Those plane, AFAIK, has never even seen any type of air to air combat even close to the scale or tempo of Desert Storm, nor any such example where we see them actually deployed for war-fighting by the Soviet Union.

 

Maybe its different the further you go east, but for a westerner, you have "Fulcrum" by Zuyev, a book that several here have criticized for incorrect information, or a translated MiG-29A manual -- one that states that the Fulcrum's look-down ability is "practically the same" as its look-up capability, as well as instructing the pilot to fire missiles at 12,000m -- much higher than I almost ever fly the Fulcrum in FC.

[GGTharos]

... to turn you into a conspiracy theorist? :)

 

When I saw new brand LO 2.0 with pics of F 15 everywhere shining around, and only pic of SU 27 in run with a lot of flares behind, and one of Mig 29 burried into ground, I realised whats going on here, and what was goal in LO 2.0. :music_whistling:

[blackgruya]

... to turn you into a conspiracy theorist? :)

 

Someone must to start all this in the name of community. btw about that sneaky SU's. that's why you added birds to watch your back for you. very smart move I must say :thumbup: thanks for providing to us reality.....

[Vekkinho]

I haven't tried FC2.0 in MP (yet) but ways of dogfighting F-15C with Su-27 haven't changed (much) compared to FC1.12...

 

Dunno, I feel my GSh has more punch now and only a brief moment of fire makes Eagles explode. However, F-15C (even the AI driven one) has new tricks (and envelope) that I'm slowly getting used to. I must say it feels better during circle fights!

[Pilotasso]

Lol some of these posts...

 

 

Love BlackG's sig. (Im serious). Im still gigling over it. :lol:

[ScEBlack1]

Those complaining about lackluster Russian planes against Eagles, show some real world data alongside 2.0 data, if data is off by a margin then there is something to complain about, if not it is simply you and having to now deal with an adversary that finally got up to date instead of the years in 1.12 nutured firing spit balls at you all.

 

Not including the already mentioned and passed on info about low speed flaps.

[blackgruya]

Lol some of these posts...

 

 

Love BlackG's sig. (Im serious). Im still gigling over it. :lol:

 

It's advanced graphics, in high resolution, thanks ;) want some photoshop lessons? I would like to help to friends always

[EtherealN]

When I saw new brand LO 2.0 with pics of F 15 everywhere shining around, and only pic of SU 27 in run with a lot of flares behind, and one of Mig 29 burried into ground, I realised whats going on here, and what was goal in LO 2.0. :music_whistling:

 

Might also be a case of what pictures were available at what quality and at acceptable royalties. :)

 

#1 failing of conspiracy theorists: completely forgetting to look for alternate explanations. ;)

[blackgruya]

Might also be a case of what pictures were available at what quality and at acceptable royalties. :)

 

#1 failing of conspiracy theorists: completely forgetting to look for alternate explanations. ;)

 

Naaah, I change all those pics at ones! Now my 2.0 is much closer to look better. cheers