DCS:BS and FC 2.0

[KeyCat]

Now with FC 2.0 almost here (RUS version is released but waiting for ENG) what new possibilities will we have when it comes to combined arms between rotary and fixed wings?

 

For example will I be able to buddy laze targets in my Ka-50 for human "wingmen" in Su-25T's to attack with laser guided weapons, acting like a FAC in the Ka-50?

 

/KC

[GGTharos]

I don't know about buddy lasing, but how about marking targets with smoke?

[brydling]

What is the point of flying the Ka-50 over a target and dropping a smoke shell instead of directly destroying the target yourself? I bet some reason exists since you are suggesting it, but I can't figure it out? With buddy lasing you can at least hover at a safe distance and light up the target while something faster and less vulnerable to AAA/SAM's do the actual bombing.

Edited March 26, 2010 by brydling
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[zdXu]

what new possibilities will we have when it comes to combined arms between rotary and fixed wings?

 

/KC

 

If you ever saw a cat playing with a mouse then you have a basic idea what the role of the ka-50 in FC 2.0 is.

Edited March 26, 2010 by zdXu

[GGTharos]

You can drop smoke rockets on targets and a fast jet can attack them more safely than you can.

 

The point is that you can hover at a safe distance, mark targets for a su-25, and the su-25 can bomb them quickly, keeping itself and you out of the reach of AAA. In short, there are plenty of cases where it can do things faster and safer than you can, leaving you to pick up what's left over if necessary.

Edited March 26, 2010 by GGTharos

[KeyCat]

With buddy lazing you can at least hover at a safe distance and light up the target while something faster and less vulnerable to SAM's do the actual bombing.

 

Thats what I'm hoping for, lets hope it's possible...

 

Also anything that encourage (and even sometimes forces) teamwork between players gets my vote and this is such thing that takes co-operation to the next level and of course double seated helis/planes would be even better!

 

/KC

Edited March 26, 2010 by KeyCat

[brydling]

You can drop smoke rockets on targets and a fast jet can attack them more safely than you can.

 

Smoke rockets? I didn't know we could equip the Ka-50 with that :) I thought you meant that we should fly over a target and drop a smoke shell, which sounded stupid in my ears since if you're already flying over the target you could drop a bomb instead :) Now I understand.

[GGTharos]

Yes you can equip the Ka-50 with smoke rockets for the FAC role :)

In DCS, too :)

[KeyCat]

If you ever saw a cat playing with a mouse then you have a basic idea what the role of the ka-50 in FC 2.0 is.

 

I'm mostly thinking group/squad co-op's here and I asume you are talking about PvsP?

 

/KC

[brydling]

Yes you can equip the Ka-50 with smoke rockets for the FAC role :)

In DCS, too :)

 

Follow-up question then.. Are the range of the smoke rockets significantly larger than that of regular rockets? Otherwise, why shoot a smoke rocket if you already are in range for killing the target yourself?

[GGTharos]

That is dependent on your tactical situation ... maybe your job is to sit there and observe, not shoot stuff. You're not a useful FAC if you get into the fight yourself.

 

You can shoot the rocket further away by lofting it (point nose up)

[brydling]

Ok :)

Sorry for starting an off-topic discussion.

[Toast]

Any news on when the DCS patch will be out?

[dooom]

i dont think this is off topic - i started a similar one a few days ago regarding the right tool for the job - i am very interested to see what kind of tactical cooperation develops naturally online. hopefully it will be obvious and easily implemented. I'd like to see collaboration on targets as opposed to competition for targets.

[ARM505]

Putting a smoke rocket close enough to a target to point a fast mover at it is a hell of a lot easier than putting a rocket directly ONTO a target - that is assuming that one rocket will even kill the target. And with the limited modelling of splash damage in this sim, even more so. So it's ideal - a fast mover can't look in detail at the terrain, and the helo struggles to put weight of ordnance on target. It can work nicely.

[JimMack]

Putting a smoke rocket close enough to a target to point a fast mover at it is a hell of a lot easier than putting a rocket directly ONTO a target - that is assuming that one rocket will even kill the target. And with the limited modelling of splash damage in this sim, even more so. So it's ideal - a fast mover can't look in detail at the terrain, and the helo struggles to put weight of ordnance on target. It can work nicely.

 

Correct - marker rockets are not expected to be on target. SOP - "see smoke? - target is 300m north East of smoke"

[Squid_DK]

I can see a lot of great opportunities with coop, where the KA-50 does it's FAC thing!

 

1) The KA-50 can sneak up and take care of close defences (Zoo or the likes)

 

2) The KA-50 will have the possibility to take a good long recon of the area and even point out attack lanes and areas to avoid.

 

3) Having a smoke marker on the ground where you're supposed to put your eyes and weapons does make the job for the fast jets a lot easier, it also gives the Helo some basic defense agains other jets (Off course this should be left for dedicated platforms like Fulcrum, Flanker or Eagles)

 

Staffan

[HungaroJET]

I'm mostly thinking group/squad co-op's here and I asume you are talking about PvsP?

 

/KC

 

Hey KeyCat ! Didya make screenies ? I made only just a few :(

 

 

Learn 2 Swim :smilewink: WET TEST

 

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2010 by HungaroJET

[Distiler]

uhhh dirty dirty mods, show us the cockpit...errr let me guess XD

Edited March 28, 2010 by Distiler

[KeyCat]

Hey KeyCat ! Didya make screenies ?

 

Sorry mate, I don't think I took any screenshots at all yesterday.

 

/KC