Complaints about A-10A guns

[Squid]

if the DCS A-10 will have also those effects besides the physics improvements of FC2 , then sure :D i personally going now to SF A-10 to have some fun that the much anticipated FC2 deprived me of :D

[mvsgas]

Squid, when DCS A-10 come out (A-10A or A10C) people will still complain. I can see it now:

-How come the A-10A came first? or How come the A-10C came first?-

-My computer slow down to much when I fire the A-10 gun, to much smoke and effect/to many explosions.-

-I can carry 16000 pounds of bombs-

etc

 

ED can't satisfy everyone. I think A-10 in FC is fun, very, very, very easy to use. I can kill almost any ground vehicle with a short burst from the gun.

 

Most of the videos you posted are ether from a weapons range, (so not the same ammo modeled in FC 2.0) or video about current A-10 operations, that by my understanding, are more likely to be HEI rounds, again not model in FC 2.0. I seen most of those effect you are asking in DCS BS when the hello fire HEI. But then, some computers have a slight slow down because of the explosions, the effects and sound.

 

I'm completely guessing here and I have no insight information, but I'm sure that some of the reasons ED decided to use this model of bullets is because it has less chance of affecting frame rates. Also, they probably want people to look forward for their DCS A-10 so this mod can be as good as it.

 

At any rate, my point is

This ricochet effect looks cool to me

It could be possible in a A-10 with the correct ammo and when the gun fired in the correct angle

Aircraft has to dive to utilize the gun

FC 2.0 doesn't have HEI nor TP rounds model

We all will have to wait for DCA A-10 to come out or be release before we can experience a more accurate or maybe more realistic A-10 (A or C)

 

I'm in no way and A-10 expert I hope it does not sound like I'm claiming to be one. :thumbup:

Edited April 1, 2010 by mvsgas

[Squid]

i just revisited after long time the FC1. The way the Gunfire is set there is just fine for my taste ... The firing smoke, the trace effects, the impact effects, all look ok and makes straffing fun . I definitely prefer the FC1 gunfire all the way. I hope there is a way to get that back ....

Edited April 3, 2010 by Squid

[zakobi]

Squid, when DCS A-10 come out (A-10A or A10C) people will still complain. I can see it now:

 

 

ED can't satisfy everyone. I think A-10 in FC is fun, very, very, very easy to use. I can kill almost any ground vehicle with a short burst from the gun.

 

Most of the videos you posted are ether from a weapons range, (so not the same ammo modeled in FC 2.0) or video about current A-10 operations, that by my understanding, are more likely to be HEI rounds, again not model in FC 2.0. I seen most of those effect you are asking in DCS BS when the hello fire HEI. But then, some computers have a slight slow down because of the explosions, the effects and sound.

 

I'm completely guessing here and I have no insight information, but I'm sure that some of the reasons ED decided to use this model of bullets is because it has less chance of affecting frame rates. Also, they probably want people to look forward for their DCS A-10 so this mod can be as good as it.

 

At any rate, my point is

This ricochet effect looks cool to me

It could be possible in a A-10 with the correct ammo and when the gun fired in the correct angle

Aircraft has to dive to utilize the gun

FC 2.0 doesn't have HEI nor TP rounds model

We all will have to wait for DCA A-10 to come out or be release before we can experience a more accurate or maybe more realistic A-10 (A or C)

 

I'm in no way and A-10 expert I hope it does not sound like I'm claiming to be one. :thumbup:

 

oi mvgas, afaik someone found a way to use HEI rounds by changing some files. Can't remember if it's lua. I'll try to see if i can find that post if you want.

[Mugenjin]

\Lock On Flaming Cliffs 2.0\Config\Weapons\aircraft_gun_mounts.lua

 

change

 

"shells = shell_ref("GAU8_30_AP")"

 

to e.g.

 

"shells = shell_ref("2A42_30_HE")"

 

That's no HEI though and you can't reeally penetrate armored targets.

[Squid]

Who wants the FC1 Avenger Gunfire back ?

 

I really miss the looks, behavior and effects of the FC1 Avenger gunfire.

The tracing v.effect of FC1 over FC2,

The gunsmoke of FC1 over FC2,

The effectiveness of FC1 over FC2,

The impact v.effects over the sole bizar bouncing of FC.

I would only keep some of the new bouncing mixed with with FC1 effects.

[czarnyolek]

Agree. Gsz301 in FC2 got better but Gau-8 got worst

[FVMAD]

I really miss the looks, behavior and effects of the FC1 Avenger gunfire.

The tracing v.effect of FC1 over FC2,

The gunsmoke of FC1 over FC2,

The effectiveness of FC1 over FC2,

The impact v.effects over the sole bizar bouncing of FC.

I would only keep some of the new bouncing mixed with with FC1 effects.

 

Just keep using FC1. What's the problem?

[GGTharos]

GAU-8 in FC2 is more realistic than in FC1.

It is armed with DU only, and bouncing aside, it does its job.

 

I really miss the looks, behavior and effects of the FC1 Avenger gunfire.

The tracing v.effect of FC1 over FC2,

The gunsmoke of FC1 over FC2,

The effectiveness of FC1 over FC2,

The impact v.effects over the sole bizar bouncing of FC.

I would only keep some of the new bouncing mixed with with FC1 effects.

[Wags]

A-10A gun will not be changed in FC2.

[joey45]

Could someone post a vid of the A10a gunfire, cos I can't get a activation code until *enter bank name here* send my new card... been over a month... :(

[mvsgas]

Just keep using FC1. What's the problem?

I second what =FV=MAD wrote, LOL. Simple fix

[Maximus]

I vote no, cuz i knew ED will not change it.

 

Just hold your horse for DCS:A10C.:thumbup:

[Squid]

if someone would manage to add the visuals at least of the FC1, or an option to switch between the two ways, that would be nice.

[TheMoose]

interesting it shakes the cockpit but you can bearly hear it.

 

 

Good example, the piper remains stable; the shake in FC2 is too exaggerated IMO...

[GGTharos]

In fact the shaking is so bad in this RL video that even the laser-sharp HUD lines get blurred.

[TheMoose]

In fact the shaking is so bad in this RL video that even the laser-sharp HUD lines get blurred.

 

Maybe, but the video shows otherwise. I’m not a real pilot, but the facts are, in this video. The famous shakes compared too FC2. Well FC2 seems a bit exaggerated…

[Grimes]

I just want the dust effects back when the rounds hit the ground. Nothing wrong them them bouncing up but it feels rather dry and static without seeing a big cloud of dust as your rounds land.

[dok_rp]

Well,

 

Since everyone is throwing their 2 cents into the can, I wanna play a little too.

 

I think this is one of the best A10 strafe videos I've ever seen.

 

Three things to take note of:

 

1) The explosion sound of the rounds hitting the ground.

 

2) The roar of the gun which I miss tremendously in all sims (Arma 2 has it pretty well set with the Hi-Fi sound mod) after a few seconds.

 

3) The voice of Tom Hanks screaming at his subordinates saying they gotta link up to the west. :megalol:

 

 

 

==>Now this is by far the BEST OF THE BEST OF THE VERY BEST EVER!!!

 

>>No way ground troops could survive the tension of being strafed on the ground by this beast, and we are not even considering being ACTUALLY hit by it.

 

Never seen anything like this in a sim. Not even with ACE2, and boy does that Mod have some cool explosions or what!!!

 

My dream is to see something like this in Lockon. :pilotfly:

 

Now about the dust kicking complaint the said-to-be A10 pilot referred to. Give me one game engine and modern hardware that could handle that horrendous cloud of dirt that one second burst raised on the second strafe and keep playable fps?

 

 

[Ven]

Nice vid. On the first one, why is the roar sound occur after what seemed like the strike? Is that due to sound delay?

 

Graphic effects are just eye candy and I can live with or without. But what I would like really like is some realistic AI behavior. If an A10 is closing in, wouldn't the tank at least try to maneuver, cover behind a building or trees, or at least get out and run for their lives?

[EtherealN]

On the first one, why is the roar sound occur after what seemed like the strike? Is that due to sound delay?

 

Yes, the shells are supersonic and therefore impact before you hear the gun.

[dok_rp]

If an A10 is closing in, wouldn't the tank at least try to maneuver, cover behind a building or trees, or at least get out and run for their lives?

 

The only sim I've seen such behavior is in IL2 1946 with the Opel canvas Trucks unloading soldiers who aimlessly run for their little lives while I pour 20mm havoc into their miserable souls with my 4 hispanos. :lol:

 

It's fun to see them making a run for it. :pilotfly:

 

Guess in Lockon they're more like suicidal bomber-mans than anything else. :lol:

[JG-1_Vogel]

I do think the bouncing tracer effect is rather exaggerated from the pics I've seen (don't have FC2 yet). The cannon on the frogfoot probably would be ok with this effect, but the GAU-8 is a totally different beast. None of the videos I can find on Youtube show visible tracer or bouncing of rounds off the ground. I would like to see the effect toned down somewhat for the A-10. I know this isn't like DCS.... but keeping an effect realistic isn't a tall order.

[MBot]

In fact the shaking is so bad in this RL video that even the laser-sharp HUD lines get blurred.

 

Do not forget that this comes from an airframe mounted camera. Human vision is a lot more stabile than that.

[Dr_Watson]

My opinion

 

- Tracers bouncing all over the place looks very odd when you fire the A10 gun into the dirty, should be a huge could of dust, on mud only if the time of year is winter. I know they have put new physics into the ballistics of the bullets and shells but having them bounce all over the place no matter what you hit is the wrong way to show off your work!

 

 

- Vibrations are not too bad, a little over the top, from the video's I've seen, there isn't much shaking in the cockpit which would mean even less shaking of the eye.

 

- Add a slider in for weapons launch sounds, guns aren't so bad but the missle launches are very quiet.