SU-27 need corrections in FC2.0

[TIGER]

possibly most of us "loves" SU-27 flanker. We dont change it.....we like to fly with this aircraft.

when I buy Lock on FC2.0 I thought that I was going to see something different.

And is true. I saw different grapfics....wich I adore them. I saw details that I never seen before. even the realistic damage of the aircrafts (still need some corrections) it is a perfect game....

BUT.....

I was very dissapointed when I saw that there are several mistakes on SU-27...especialy on weapons of SU-27. A new game in 2010 that have a Su-27 like it stuck back in 1980's.

On the following link is the weapons that a REAL SU-27 can take.

http://adiewicaksono.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/su-27skm_sheme_b_eng.gif

 

including the R-77 Amramski(it is writen as R-VV AE), Kh-31 P&a, Kh-29 and other more. This is the REAL, I reapeat, THE REAL weapons load of a Su-27. after some search that I done I decided to post it here. So the people in Eagle Dynamics to correct Su-27 weapons load. To make it "real" in the game. If they wanted to make F-15 better......Why they didnt put F-22 insteed the F-15.

 

In Lock on....Unfortunatelly they made it very poor.I was very dissapointed because the Su-27 is still one of the best aircraft in the world better than F-15A and C edition. and here they just "kill" it, or better....They "shot it down". they destroy the balance of the Russian and American aircrafts.

I hope what I wrote. someone to see it. To agree or to dissagree with me or to discuss about that.

I hope also Eagle Dynamics people to see it and to re-think about the SU-27 by correcting the Su-27 with a patch. Because untill now there are a lot of Variants of Su-27 that they could put in the game if they dont want to change Su-27.

 

Thank you.

[mvsgas]

This again?:huh:

[TIGER]

there is also videos in youtube about what SU-27 can carry.

look a simply one

[GGTharos]

The Su-27P/S, the aircraft modeled in this game, is what most of the Russian Air Force is made up of.

 

And it carries pretty much what's given it within this game. No R-77's or guided ground attack munitions.

[EvilBivol-1]

The baseline Su-27S, which is the version modeled in Flaming Cliffs 2, does not carry any guided air to ground munitions or the RVVAE missile. The upgraded Su-27SM does, but it is not the version modeled in the simulation and there is not enough information available to model it.

[TIGER]

All people that played Flanker 1.0, 2.0 &2.5 possibly knows that Su-27 can carry more.....

...or they could upgrade the model to SU-27SM or SKM.

it is 2010!!!!!

[mvsgas]

I give a 100 for effort, good luck

[Wolverine]

The Su-27S cannot carry the R-77 (R-VVAE) in fact the Russian air force never bought the R-77 but ED let us keep them for the MiG-29S because even though the R-77 isnt in service it still has the capability to carry and launch them.

 

Edit: here is a helpful link for you to understand the Su family. http://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-27/su-27_variants.htm

Edited April 8, 2010 by Wolverine

[TIGER]

Thanks for the Link....

But..............

The production Su-27 (sometimes Su-27S, NATO designation 'Flanker-B') began to enter operational service around 1984, although manufacturing difficulties kept it from appearing in strength until 1986 . We are talking that they kept the Soviet Era aircraft capabilities. and the video that I posted is 20years old!!!!!! but even in the game....the video shoes a BETTER SU-27 than FC2.0!!! and Example I can say this: Vietnam has the SU-27SK!!! and from the link that you gave me it shows again that is still BETTER than Su-27S.

I still believe that they could put an upgrade version of Su-27. for example the Su-35. Why they upgrade only the F-15 which is HARDLY to shot it down in the game because it can fire without you have ANY warning?

[GGTharos]

Yes, they kept Soviet Era capabilities. Sorry to break it to you, but there are only two squadrons of SM's in Russia, and there's no data on it.

The SK is an export version of the S; the SKM is similar for the SM IIRC.

[Wags]

The Su-27 model included in FC2 has the correct payloads.

 

If you wish to see a later Su-27 model included someday, feel free to make an entry here:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=51462

[TIGER]

hmmmm......It seems most are flying F-15 I suppose :)

[EtherealN]

You mean the 1980's F-15? :P

[TIGER]

hahahahahaha.

No. the F-15C which they made it MUCH better "accidently" in FC2.0

[Wolverine]

Why they upgrade only the F-15 which is HARDLY to shot it down in the game because it can fire without you have ANY warning?

 

They "FIXED" the F-15 in 2.0 because the Russian birds (Su-27 MiG-29) was the focus and given a major overhaul in FC 1.2, fixes to the radar etc. The F-15 was broken in 1.2, radar bugs and missile range bugs etc.

 

As for no warning... yes if the F-15 fires an AIM-120 in TWS mode you will not get a "LAUNCH" warning but you will get a warning when the seeker head of the missile goes active.

 

 

hmmmm......It seems most are flying F-15 I suppose :)

 

Thats a stupid assumption to make. Just because we are not complaining about the Su-27 loadouts then we are all NATO fliers?

I beg to differ, in FC I mainly fly the Su-25T but also fly in the Su-27 and MiG-29. Both can hold their own. We don't complain about the Su loadout because there is nothing to complain about. The loadout is correct for the variant modelled.

[TIGER]

ps..Amraam was in service from 1991 :)

SU-27 has the same weapons from 1986!!

[GGTharos]

Actually the E versions of its missiles entered service in the 90's.

[slug88]

ps..Amraam was in service from 1991 :)

SU-27 has the same weapons from 1986!!

 

Read this post again:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=873408&postcount=11

 

It contains pretty much all that needs to be said on this subject.

[EtherealN]

hahahahahaha.

No. the F-15C which they made it MUCH better "accidently" in FC2.0

 

Take a look at the F15C radar in FC2.

Compare with the real F15C radar.

 

Could take a look at it's datalink, as well... ;)

[ScEBlack1]

"hahahahahaha.

No. the F-15C which they made it MUCH better "accidently" in FC2.0"

 

 

hahahahaha...no, you only got kills "before" because the F15 was not up to date with how it originally should have been and you were simply popping off ET's without a worry nor any skill on your part, now it is up to what it should have been and you are getting spanked because you never took any real time to learn how to fly your plane because you "knew" the Eagle was porked and you didn't need to. All those Eagle pilots had to resort to using smart tactics to down the SU pilots and now it has just made them even more better at spanking people like yourself:D

[Wolverine]

"hahahahahaha.

No. the F-15C which they made it MUCH better "accidently" in FC2.0"

 

 

hahahahaha...no, you only got kills "before" because the F15 was not up to date with how it originally should have been and you were simply popping off ET's without a worry nor any skill on your part, now it is up to what it should have been and you are getting spanked because you never took any real time to learn how to fly your plane because you "knew" the Eagle was porked and you didn't need to. All those Eagle pilots had to resort to using smart tactics to down the SU pilots and now it has just made them even more better at spanking people like yourself:D

 

You are suffering from the same problems as the OP, stupid assumptions. The OMGRU551@NSU27HAX0rCHEAT mentality doesnt help.

 

P.S All those "smart tactics" that "Some" Eagle pilots used in 1.12 was to spam all 8 amraams at the target and run without guiding them in until pitbull so I wouldnt call all SU pilots ET spammers. Pot ..Kettle... and all that ;)

[kingneptune117]

possibly most of us "loves" SU-27 flanker. We dont change it.....we like to fly with this aircraft.

when I buy Lock on FC2.0 I thought that I was going to see something different.

And is true. I saw different grapfics....wich I adore them. I saw details that I never seen before. even the realistic damage of the aircrafts (still need some corrections) it is a perfect game....

BUT.....

I was very dissapointed when I saw that there are several mistakes on SU-27...especialy on weapons of SU-27. A new game in 2010 that have a Su-27 like it stuck back in 1980's.

On the following link is the weapons that a REAL SU-27 can take.

http://adiewicaksono.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/su-27skm_sheme_b_eng.gif

 

including the R-77 Amramski(it is writen as R-VV AE), Kh-31 P&a, Kh-29 and other more. This is the REAL, I reapeat, THE REAL weapons load of a Su-27. after some search that I done I decided to post it here. So the people in Eagle Dynamics to correct Su-27 weapons load. To make it "real" in the game. If they wanted to make F-15 better......Why they didnt put F-22 insteed the F-15.

 

In Lock on....Unfortunatelly they made it very poor.I was very dissapointed because the Su-27 is still one of the best aircraft in the world better than F-15A and C edition. and here they just "kill" it, or better....They "shot it down". they destroy the balance of the Russian and American aircrafts.

I hope what I wrote. someone to see it. To agree or to dissagree with me or to discuss about that.

I hope also Eagle Dynamics people to see it and to re-think about the SU-27 by correcting the Su-27 with a patch. Because untill now there are a lot of Variants of Su-27 that they could put in the game if they dont want to change Su-27.

 

Thank you.

 

 

The F-15 has 106 air to air kills and 0 deaths.

 

The F-15C was also made SPECIFICALLY for the purpose. In my opinion, the most proof there is that the SU-27 is better is its little airshow flips. Id take a 15 into a dogfight with a 27 anyday.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

The F-15 has 106 air to air kills and 0 deaths.

None of the kills of the same aircraft class.

[Exorcet]

The F-15 has 106 air to air kills and 0 deaths.

As much as I like the F-15, that doesn't mean much. It means something, but it definitely does not tell you F-15 >> Su-27.

[EtherealN]

Ah, that discussion, yet again. :D

 

No, there is no reason to say with certainty that a 27 would lose against a 15. If I remember the three billion identical threads we've already had I think the numbers came up to the 27 have a very slight angles advantage, whereas the 15 has a huge TWR giving it dominance in vertical maneuvers.

 

Therefore: a 27 pilot that really knows his bird and manages to force a 15 to stay in the regime where the 27 has an advantage, would win. Same goes for the other way around. Having a superior TWR is a huge thing though, so even at an unfavorable regime a 15 that stays alive can just wear the 27 down.

 

But that's BFM. If we go into the BVR regime the Eagle is, quite frankly, king.

 

What I'd really like to see is a plane like the indian 30MKI's (that were in Red Flag a while back), but given to an airforce like the Israeli or similar rediculously battle-hardened outfit - or just a properly brilliant pilot. That would be interesting to see, since one of the advantages the 15 has in comparison with most flankers in service is that it's serving in an airforce with a massive training budget. If you don't have that training budget I don't care if you've got Raptors coming out of your ears - you still won't do good. ;)

 

(EDIT: Well... If you have Raptors, then maybe... They really are very good aircraft... But you know what I mean.)

Edited April 8, 2010 by EtherealN