Chopper Popper

[snowman123]

Was in a KA-50 once, performing evasive manuevers due to the fact that the enemy tanks and such started hemmoraging TOW's my way. So anyway, I'm sittin there poppin flares and all, one of the tows go's (yay i rhymed) way past me, hits an enemy F-16.

 

Laughing so hard i flew into the ground.............:music_whistling:

[EtherealN]

In fact, if you could direct me to some online content to study on the subject (fast mover combat) I would be greatful.

 

I don't have anything online to refer to, sadly. My A2A combat knowledge comes from training in the squadron and studying hardcopy reference material. A book you could consider getting is Fighter Combat: Tactics and Maneuvering by Robert Shaw.

 

Judging from my performance in IL2 I don't think I could ever be great at air to air (I only have 2 IL kills in about 10 total online hours of play) but Im good enouph with the blackshark to hit a moving target while moving (sometimes) and I think I could be a pretty good (high altitude) bomber.

 

To be honest, sounds mainly like a training issue. Self-study only gets you so far - the best way to learn is to have a brutal instructor that relentlessly points out every single mistake you make (and then instructs you on how not to make them, of course :P ).

 

The problem is peps rarely fly with protect near them.... also rarely someone wants to fly over bomber targets especially to guard them loosing in this time probably at least 1 kill ;]

 

True and tragic. I do wish more people online understood that being a fighter pilot isn't about racking up kills in some kind of airquake session - it's about holding airspace so that friendly assets are free to move and denying that same freedom to hostile assets. I've had two-three hours sessions on the 104th where I didn't kill anything and never actually had a missile fired at me - but it was a success since no-one got to kill the assets I was protecting.

 

Richard III ? My kingdom for a horse? (kingdom for a gun radar to calculate lead) I don't understand this.

 

The A10 doesn't have a radar, therefore it cannot compute a lead point to make sure you hit - you only have the old funnel-type indicator in the A10.

[EtherealN]

To clarify - the clutter itself isn't modelled, but the clutter notch gate is.

 

After getting "talked to" I think I'll clarify my clarification:

There is a basic model for the effects of ground clutter than impacts radar range on lookdown scenarios. From what I understand this looks at your emitter position, target position, and when this places terrain behind them your range is impacted.

[Scooternutz]

During our flight Speed, Laser, Mojoeux, Android, and me were all low. Laser called out that he was getting some indications there might be a fighter out there looking for us. There were two fighters overhead. One of us did get it and shortly after that bandit was smoked by one of our good guys flying high. I wonder if the high flier even knew we were down there. I stopped all forward flight and snuggled next to a building and stayed in a hover. Once things were clear I pressed on.

 

When we are below roof tops moving along slowly I think it will be almost impossible to get us on radar. You will have to have a visual and good luck with that. We have paint schemes that make it hard for me to see my wingman at 1 km. I have had him on ABRIS and he should be right in front of me. Sometimes when I do get eyes on it startles me because I didn't know we were that close. Good camo!

Welcome to our world jet guys. We are like pests that you just can't find and we can sting really bad. We'll get you too, don't worry.

[GGTharos]

... until the rotor doppler is modeled and then there won't be any hiding ... ever. ;)

[Pilotasso]

20nm is the line of death for helos, should they keep a head on course. They are detectable from 40 miles out but the contact then is very slippery. AMRAAMs seem not to give warning at all but I tried only from very high altitudes (passive sensor blind spot?).

 

I scared both the Ka-50's I ever shot down, they said they never had any warning but also did not change their direct paths from their base to target area, so my advice is to fly indirect routes as well as notch on such occasion as presence of enemy fighters in the vicinity is suspected.

[159th_Viper]

.....(passive sensor blind spot?).....

 

No Sensor that will detect ARH/SARH Launch/Impending Doom at all on the Kamov.

[Pilotasso]

ah that must suck...

[EtherealN]

Refer to all the 300-page threads about RWR in the DCS forum. :D

[Panzertard]

Less techy talk - more myths & stories please :D

[Bucic]

Toss Panzertard some runes. He diggs this kind of stuff! :D

[159th_Viper]

ah that must suck...

 

There's a name for Spontaneous outbursts of Righteous Anger in the average Kamov Pilot..........It's called the 'Oh-Fcuk-Not-Dumped-to-Map-View Again!' Syndrome.

 

Alleviated to a certain extent by a heightened state of Situational Awareness........The cure however is still a long time coming - mutterings of a portable, cheap, mass- produced, hand-held RWR spring to mind :P

[Speed]

... until the rotor doppler is modeled and then there won't be any hiding ... ever. ;)

 

And by that time, you guys had better pump out DCS F-15E or DCS F-16 and then there won't be any need to hide.

 

Edit:

Because I'll be flying the jet :)

Edited May 17, 2010 by Speed

[Speed]

There's a name for Spontaneous outbursts of Righteous Anger in the average Kamov Pilot..........It's called the 'Oh-Fcuk-Not-Dumped-to-Map-View Again!' Syndrome.

 

Alleviated to a certain extent by a heightened state of Situational Awareness........The cure however is still a long time coming - mutterings of a portable, cheap, mass- produced, hand-held RWR spring to mind :P

 

You mean one of these "ECM pods"?

http://radar-jammers-detectors.net/

[Speed]

Why can't the Ka-50s hear the AWACs calls the LOFC2 people talk about? Will we ever be able to hear stuff like that on the radios? We have no idea if enemy fighters are in the area unless one of the fighter guys tells us or people start dying.

[SFJackBauer]

I did some CAP for the Ka-50s on 104th server last two days. The worse threats were russian aircraft, that preyed upon the Sharks with the EOS, hugging the ground to not appear on AWACS and running to their friendly SAMs and ships area when threatened.

 

Once the bandits are in the sharks playground, I had to use full radar mechanization to find the aggressors, paying attention to elevation and PRF, and also flying an optimal altitude for scanning (not too high and not being able to scan the full terrain below, but not too low and having too much drag and low speed - too many times doing a tail chase engagement).

 

(Sidenote - I have seen many fighter pilots coming to the server and not knowing how to employ radar elevation and PRF, and then complaining why nothing appears on radar :))

 

Once we determined and patrolled their ingress route however, it was easy to defend.

 

Oh and I may be wrong and it needs confirmation, but I think the russian EOS, when locking a Shark up close, triggers the LWR. One Shark pilot reported it being triggered when I flew past him with EOS on VSCAN mode and locked him briefly. He was at near a friendly airbase, no threats around, so.

[GGTharos]

Yes, the EOS uses a laser range finder.

[Eddie]

Alleviated to a certain extent by a heightened state of Situational Awareness........The cure however is still a long time coming - mutterings of a portable, cheap, mass- produced, hand-held RWR spring to mind :P

 

I've found an easier solution. I've taken to flying around with my cockpit door open and throwing handfulls of tin foil out. It's a technique that seems to be working so far, well apart from one incident yesterday on the 104th server when some nutter in a Flanker decided to go head to head with me while launching R-73s, needless to say I lost that one. If only the Skhval would slew a bit quicker.

[GGTharos]

Just tap your flare launcher ... shoot him up later.

[159th_Viper]

...while launching R-73s.....

 

A Zippo and a Twelve-Pack of Tesco Value Candles. Works a treat, unless your Flint is dampened in a momentary lapse of.......well.......anyway.....Head to Head you said?

 

Nutter :D

[Eddie]

Just tap your flare launcher ... shoot him up later.

 

Yep did that, even had a simply insane 5,2,9 flare profile with both dispensers selected. It had the desired effect on the first missile, not so with the second.

 

Head to Head you said?

 

Nutter :D

 

Yep, spotted a dot on the horizon and began slewing the Skhval expectiong to see a friendly Shark and instead I was greeted by a hostile SU-27 coming right for me and my 2 wingmen. Dispite my best efforts I couldn't get a shkval lock to lob a couple of Vhikrs and some 30mm hot metal death his way. Wasn't for the want of trying though.

[GGTharos]

Try firing the gun manually. Psychology is half the battle :D

Even if you don't hit, your opponent is 'on notice'.

 

Too bad your countermeasures didn't work though.

[Bucic]

Yep, spotted a dot on the horizon and began slewing the Skhval expectiong to see a friendly Shark and instead I was greeted by a hostile SU-27 coming right for me and my 2 wingmen. Dispite my best efforts I couldn't get a shkval lock to lob a couple of Vhikrs and some 30mm hot metal death his way. Wasn't for the want of trying though.

What you needed a lock for? You could have throw a cloud of well scattered high explosive cannon projectiles from well over 3.5 kilometers, fixed cannon. One nut on target and he's out.

[Eddie]

What you needed a lock for? You could have throw a cloud of well scattered high explosive cannon projectiles from well over 3.5 kilometers, fixed cannon. One nut on target and he's out.

 

 

A thought which came into my head mere moments after hitting the ground in a ball of flames and twisted metal.

 

But as I keep saying, I am the world's worst helicopter pilot. Nearly a year and a half of flying the shark and I still can't get my viper driver head off. It's scary the number of times I've gone for the dogfight override or tried to break turn out of trouble since Friday :cry:.

[GGTharos]

^^^^

 

This isn't necessarily a bad thing. A lot of people do A2G without ever learning any A2A (talking about fixed wings) and so they thinks themselves - and thus are - defenseless when attacked by a fighter.

 

A couple might know to notch but in the end they all just end up turning tail and running istead of doing the next most basic thing: Bring troublesome aspect into the fight.