A-10 Pave Penny

[Kaiza]

Hi, I know this is a long shot but with the new interop patch can the A-10 pick up lased targets from the Hokum with pave penny?

[Stretch]

Interesting and related question: Is a real life Pave Penny compatible with the real life Hokum laser target designator? I suspect no, but I'll hear what the experts have to say.

[Kaiza]

Yeah I wouldnt have thought so but thought it was worth asking...

[VTJS17_Fire]

The hogs Pave Penny picks up all laser reflections. But Pilots with active laser, can normally coding their laser with a special freqency. And the Pave Penny is designated for a special rate of laser reflections. For the accurate frequency, i have to research ... but read this a few weeks ago.

 

 

kind regards,

fire

[Kaiza]

Thanks guys, I am only really interested in whether this function works in FC2/DCS:BS multiplayer rather than the RL application- anyone tried it?

[VTJS17_Fire]

I think it doesn't work.

So, we could detect the laser reflections from the Su-25T, too. And, if my budy flew the t-frog and myself the hog, i never saw reflections in the hud (called TISL).

 

 

kind regards,

fire

[GGTharos]

Definitely not. The Hokum laser RANGEFINDER, maybe, but it depends on how they code the laser.

 

The designating laser for Vikhr is something that works on a very different philosophy than laser designation for LGBs or Hellfires, and I doubt it would be easily picked up.

 

Interesting and related question: Is a real life Pave Penny compatible with the real life Hokum laser target designator? I suspect no, but I'll hear what the experts have to say.

[Kaiza]

Ah OK, I always thought that the Vikhr was a beam rider. Guess its unlikey that this would work then. Oh well. Thanks anyway.

[GGTharos]

Yes, it is a beam rider. Hellfires and LGBs are not.

[Kaiza]

Is it? From what I understood (having only done a little reading on the net) the laser is used for data transmission rather than providing a beam for the missile to fly down, thus reducing jamming and detectability?

 

(this is not the rangefinder obviously)

[nomdeplume]

That would kind of be the definition of a beam-rider, wouldn't it? The alternative is for the munition itself to contain a laser receiver. My belief was that the Vikhr doesn't have any kind of seeker itself, and therefore needs to be guided to the target by the launching vehicle (via the laser). The Hellfire on the other hand is self-guided after launch (fire and forget).

 

My new belief is that the Vikhr has rear-facing laser detectors which it uses to align itself to the center of the "beam".

Edited May 21, 2010 by nomdeplume

[GGTharos]

The Ka-50's laser designator literally projects a laser grid for the missile to fly in. If for any reason the missile finds itself outside of this grid (which you can think of as a beam) it will fall to the ground without reaching its target.

Essentially the vikhr rides inside this beam.

 

Is it? From what I understood (having only done a little reading on the net) the laser is used for data transmission rather than providing a beam for the missile to fly down, thus reducing jamming and detectability?

 

(this is not the rangefinder obviously)

[GGTharos]

The Hellfire on the other hand is self-guided after launch (fire and forget).

 

Only the MMW hellfire is. Most hellfire variants are SAL (Semi-Active Laser)

[nomdeplume]

Only the MMW hellfire is. Most hellfire variants are SAL (Semi-Active Laser)

 

Oh, yes. But they are self-guided so can home on a laser reflection provided by a different aircraft, or someone on the ground with a laser designator, etc.

[Frederf]

Can the A-10 guide missiles onto a Ka-50 designating in DCS/FC2? I know it works with Ka-50s and Su-25s.

[nomdeplume]

I don't think the A-10A in FC2 has any laser-guided weapons available to it... I'd love to be told I'm wrong though!

[Frederf]

No weapons directly as far as I know (GBU-12s and such) but the Pave Penny is exactly a sensor designed to be designated by other aircraft and ground laser sources like a Kiowa or a ground unit... very Ka-50-type aircraft.

 

The only reason it wouldn't work is because they are intentionally incompatible because one is a Russian aircraft and the other USA... the two never designed to cooperate in this manner.

[Insanatrix]

Can the A-10 guide missiles onto a Ka-50 designating in DCS/FC2? I know it works with Ka-50s and Su-25s.

 

I tried lasing and picking it up in the 25 with mastiff and it didn't work, Could you explain how you got it to work?

[Frederf]

You know, I take that back. It should work between Su-25 and Ka-50 because it does in RL. I can't remember if I've ever heard of someone doing it. I do know it has been done Ka-50 to Ka-50 with the Kh-25.

 

EDIT: Guess it's not implemented yet. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=51864