Kaiza Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 Hi, I know this is a long shot but with the new interop patch can the A-10 pick up lased targets from the Hokum with pave penny? [url=http://www.aef-hq.com.au/aef4/forumdisplay.php?262-Digital-Combat-Simulator][SIGPIC]http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2500/a10161sqnsignitureedite.png[/SIGPIC][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 Interesting and related question: Is a real life Pave Penny compatible with the real life Hokum laser target designator? I suspect no, but I'll hear what the experts have to say. Tim "Stretch" Morgan 72nd VFW, 617th VFS Other handles: Strikeout (72nd VFW, 15th MEU Realism Unit), RISCfuture (BMS forums) PC and Peripherals: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/RISCfuture/saved/#view=DMp6XL Win10 x64 — BMS — DCS — P3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiza Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 Yeah I wouldnt have thought so but thought it was worth asking... [url=http://www.aef-hq.com.au/aef4/forumdisplay.php?262-Digital-Combat-Simulator][SIGPIC]http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2500/a10161sqnsignitureedite.png[/SIGPIC][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTJS17_Fire Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 The hogs Pave Penny picks up all laser reflections. But Pilots with active laser, can normally coding their laser with a special freqency. And the Pave Penny is designated for a special rate of laser reflections. For the accurate frequency, i have to research ... but read this a few weeks ago. kind regards, fire Hardware: Intel i5 4670K | Zalman NPS9900MAX | GeIL 16GB @1333MHz | Asrock Z97 Pro4 | Sapphire Radeon R9 380X Nitro | Samsung SSDs 840 series 120GB & 250 GB | Samsung HD204UI 2TB | be quiet! Pure Power 530W | Aerocool RS-9 Devil Red | Samsung SyncMaster SA350 24" + ASUS VE198S 19" | Saitek X52 | TrackIR 5 | Thrustmaster MFD Cougar | Speedlink Darksky LED | Razor Diamondback | Razor X-Mat Control | SoundBlaster Tactic 3D Rage ### Software: Windows 10 Pro 64Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiza Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 Thanks guys, I am only really interested in whether this function works in FC2/DCS:BS multiplayer rather than the RL application- anyone tried it? [url=http://www.aef-hq.com.au/aef4/forumdisplay.php?262-Digital-Combat-Simulator][SIGPIC]http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2500/a10161sqnsignitureedite.png[/SIGPIC][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTJS17_Fire Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I think it doesn't work. So, we could detect the laser reflections from the Su-25T, too. And, if my budy flew the t-frog and myself the hog, i never saw reflections in the hud (called TISL). kind regards, fire Hardware: Intel i5 4670K | Zalman NPS9900MAX | GeIL 16GB @1333MHz | Asrock Z97 Pro4 | Sapphire Radeon R9 380X Nitro | Samsung SSDs 840 series 120GB & 250 GB | Samsung HD204UI 2TB | be quiet! Pure Power 530W | Aerocool RS-9 Devil Red | Samsung SyncMaster SA350 24" + ASUS VE198S 19" | Saitek X52 | TrackIR 5 | Thrustmaster MFD Cougar | Speedlink Darksky LED | Razor Diamondback | Razor X-Mat Control | SoundBlaster Tactic 3D Rage ### Software: Windows 10 Pro 64Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Definitely not. The Hokum laser RANGEFINDER, maybe, but it depends on how they code the laser. The designating laser for Vikhr is something that works on a very different philosophy than laser designation for LGBs or Hellfires, and I doubt it would be easily picked up. Interesting and related question: Is a real life Pave Penny compatible with the real life Hokum laser target designator? I suspect no, but I'll hear what the experts have to say. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiza Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 Ah OK, I always thought that the Vikhr was a beam rider. Guess its unlikey that this would work then. Oh well. Thanks anyway. [url=http://www.aef-hq.com.au/aef4/forumdisplay.php?262-Digital-Combat-Simulator][SIGPIC]http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2500/a10161sqnsignitureedite.png[/SIGPIC][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Yes, it is a beam rider. Hellfires and LGBs are not. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiza Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 Is it? From what I understood (having only done a little reading on the net) the laser is used for data transmission rather than providing a beam for the missile to fly down, thus reducing jamming and detectability? (this is not the rangefinder obviously) [url=http://www.aef-hq.com.au/aef4/forumdisplay.php?262-Digital-Combat-Simulator][SIGPIC]http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2500/a10161sqnsignitureedite.png[/SIGPIC][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomdeplume Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 (edited) That would kind of be the definition of a beam-rider, wouldn't it? The alternative is for the munition itself to contain a laser receiver. My belief was that the Vikhr doesn't have any kind of seeker itself, and therefore needs to be guided to the target by the launching vehicle (via the laser). The Hellfire on the other hand is self-guided after launch (fire and forget). My new belief is that the Vikhr has rear-facing laser detectors which it uses to align itself to the center of the "beam". Edited May 21, 2010 by nomdeplume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 The Ka-50's laser designator literally projects a laser grid for the missile to fly in. If for any reason the missile finds itself outside of this grid (which you can think of as a beam) it will fall to the ground without reaching its target. Essentially the vikhr rides inside this beam. Is it? From what I understood (having only done a little reading on the net) the laser is used for data transmission rather than providing a beam for the missile to fly down, thus reducing jamming and detectability? (this is not the rangefinder obviously) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 The Hellfire on the other hand is self-guided after launch (fire and forget). Only the MMW hellfire is. Most hellfire variants are SAL (Semi-Active Laser) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomdeplume Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Only the MMW hellfire is. Most hellfire variants are SAL (Semi-Active Laser) Oh, yes. But they are self-guided so can home on a laser reflection provided by a different aircraft, or someone on the ground with a laser designator, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Can the A-10 guide missiles onto a Ka-50 designating in DCS/FC2? I know it works with Ka-50s and Su-25s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomdeplume Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I don't think the A-10A in FC2 has any laser-guided weapons available to it... I'd love to be told I'm wrong though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 No weapons directly as far as I know (GBU-12s and such) but the Pave Penny is exactly a sensor designed to be designated by other aircraft and ground laser sources like a Kiowa or a ground unit... very Ka-50-type aircraft. The only reason it wouldn't work is because they are intentionally incompatible because one is a Russian aircraft and the other USA... the two never designed to cooperate in this manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insanatrix Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Can the A-10 guide missiles onto a Ka-50 designating in DCS/FC2? I know it works with Ka-50s and Su-25s. I tried lasing and picking it up in the 25 with mastiff and it didn't work, Could you explain how you got it to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 You know, I take that back. It should work between Su-25 and Ka-50 because it does in RL. I can't remember if I've ever heard of someone doing it. I do know it has been done Ka-50 to Ka-50 with the Kh-25. EDIT: Guess it's not implemented yet. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=51864 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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