nscode Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 Well.. if it can shoot down an Su-7, it MUST be the best Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
topol-m Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 F-15's are 103-0 in air to air combat. F=15's have shot down: F-4E's - two Mig 21 - Thirty eight Mig 23 - twenty five Mig 25 - four Mig 29 - nine SU-7 - one SU-22 - four SU-25 - two Mirage F1 - eight coincidence?? And what exactly are you trying to prove there? That F-15 is superior to the aircraft listed above? It is quite obvious. And no, it`s not a coincidence that a well trained pilot with a better equipped and armed aircraft will score a victory in a fight against an outdated fighter. Quite obvious too. These aircraft were not a serious challenge for the eagle, as posted before if you want a real challenge face it with Typhoon, Su-30/35, F-22, etc. modern aircraft. Now stop trolling in this previously dead, now necromantically resurrected by... yourself thread and don`t forget its topic "SU30 vs Super Hornet". [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Shaman Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 reading last page... nothing new or interesting discussed on Su-30 and F/A-18, not even about them... just ...same old story... same old... 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
GGTharos Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 What were you expecting? :D 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Shaman Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) Well... ;) Let me put some pic of exported Su-30s at least :) I find these camouflage colors blending well with region's colors. Someone has done fine job and Venezuela's Flankers look really sexy ^^ Edited March 22, 2011 by Shaman 1 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
GGTharos Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 Are these Indian? I don't know the markings. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Shaman Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) Are these Indian? I don't know the markings. These are Venezuelans. They have purchased 24 new planes and have total 24 Su-30MK2 in service since 2009. It looks like they are very happy to fly them ^^ Edited March 22, 2011 by Shaman 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
LARGE Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 Yep, those Israeli F-15's demolished them cutting edge MiG-21's.:doh: whahahahah
GGTharos Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 Interesting - I heard they're looking at maintenance issues with those (not on the part of the aircraft, on the part of the air force). These are Venezuelans. They have purchased 24 new planes and have total 24 Su-30MK2 in service since 2009. It looks like they are very happy to fly them ^^ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Succellus Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 Chavez has financial issues with oil low cost since its the only national product this country has apart tourism on Hugo chavez speech, so it may well be true they are having issues maintaining them. Anyway who wouldn t be happy to fly those, even only to fool around ? As now Venezuela has the greatest south american air force in cabability, but i wonder if they have the weaponry. On a side note i m not sure they have 24 SU 30MK (1/2 ?), i known thy wanted to have 24. I think they have something like 12 SU 27 (something) that where delivered first + at least 4 Mk30MK(x) At least this was the case middle year of 2010. HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
Shaman Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 On a side note i m not sure they have 24 SU 30MK (1/2 ?), i known thy wanted to have 24. I think they have something like 12 SU 27 (something) that where delivered first + at least 4 Mk30MK(x) I do not know what is your source but Scramble reports there are two squadrons of Su-30MK2V. http://www.scramble.nl/ve.htm I suppose 12 a/c in each, making 24 total. Wikipedia reports Sukhoi Su-30MKV Flanker-G - 24 total in service - all delivered. I think you are confusing Venezuela with Vietnam that operated total of four aircrafts of this type in Jan 2010. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
FLANKERATOR Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) I do not know what is your source but Scramble reports there are two squadrons of Su-30MK2V. http://www.scramble.nl/ve.htm I suppose 12 a/c in each, making 24 total. Wikipedia reports Sukhoi Su-30MKV Flanker-G - 24 total in service - all delivered. I think you are confusing Venezuela with Vietnam that operated total of four aircrafts of this type in Jan 2010. Deage is reporting same data : Su-30MK - Contracts, Orders & Sales Monday, April 05, 2010 Uganda order placed with Rosoboronexport for 6 Sukhoi Su-30MK2 fighter aircraft. The deal was announced on April 5, 2010. Items: 6 Options: 0 Purchase Rights: 0 Tuesday, August 18, 2009 Russian Ministry of Defense order for 48 Sukhoi Su-35, 12 Su-27SM and four Su-30Mk2 fighter jets to be delivered to the Russian Air Force through 2015. The contract valued at 80 billion Ruble was signed at the Moscow Air Show on the opening day August 18, 2009. Items: 64 Options: 0 Purchase Rights: 0 January 2009 Vietnam order for eight Su-30MK2 fighter jets valued at $400 million. The deal was announced in January 2009. Items: 8 Options: 0 Purchase Rights: 0 January 2009 Vietnam order signed with Rosoboronexport for 12 Sukhoi Su-30MK2 jets. The deal is valued at $500 million with deliveries expected to begin in 2010. The deal was announced on May 2009 but the contract was signed in January 2009. Items: 12 Options: 0 Purchase Rights: 0 Delivery Items 2011 4 2010 8 Wednesday, November 12, 2008 Indonesia government order placed with Rosoboronexport for the acquisition of six Su-30 Flanker-C jets and 18 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles. The deal was announced on November 12, 2008. Items: 24 Options: 0 Purchase Rights: 0 Delivery Items 2009 1 Tuesday, August 21, 2007 Republic of Indonesia order signed with Rosoboronexport for three Su-30MK2 and three Su-27SKM multi-role fighters. The deal was announced at the Moscow Air Show (MAKS) on August 21, 2007. Deliveries to the Indonesian Air Force are scheduled to start in 2008 and will continue through 2010. Items: 6 Delivery Items Jan 2009 1 26 Dec 2008 2 Su-30MK2V?; items: 24; transferred from Russia to Venezuela between 2006 and 2008 Items: 24 Delivery Items 2008 8 2007 12 2006 4 2006 Su-30MKA worth $2.5 billion; items: 28; contract signed in 2006 and transferred from Russia to Algeria in 2008 and 2009 Items: 28 Options: 0 Purchase Rights: 0 Delivery Items 2009 14 2008 14 Su-30MK; items: 2; transferred from Russia to Indonesia in 2003 Items: 2 Su-27P; items: 1; transferred from Ukraine to United Kingdom in 2001 Items: 1 Su-30MK (Flanker-G) Operators Recap (other than Russia) China / 322 Su-30MK Algeria / 28 Su-30MKA Venezuela / 24 Su-30MK2V Vietnam / 20 Su-30MK2 Indonesia / 2 Su-30MK1 + 9 Su-30MK2 Uganda / 6 / Su-30MK2 Planned Libya / 4 Su-30MK2 Planned Edited March 22, 2011 by FLANKERATOR Situational Awareness: https://sa-sim.com/ | The Air Combat Dojo: https://discord.gg/Rz77eFj
spectre Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 And what exactly are you trying to prove there? That F-15 is superior to the aircraft listed above? It is quite obvious. And no, it`s not a coincidence that a well trained pilot with a better equipped and armed aircraft will score a victory in a fight against an outdated fighter. Quite obvious too. These aircraft were not a serious challenge for the eagle, as posted before if you want a real challenge face it with Typhoon, Su-30/35, F-22, etc. modern aircraft. Now stop trolling in this previously dead, now necromantically resurrected by... yourself thread and don`t forget its topic "SU30 vs Super Hornet". Trolling?? Oh come on you can do better than that.. I was not trying to prove anything I just replied to the statement below I disagreed with. In my opinion, Russian scientific work and core research is not that far behind. Implementation and production of the latest technologies lags indeed. The reason is, that Russia does not need to spend trillions of dollars on something that it does not need. Also, Russian military hardware customers do not have money to pay for latest and grates. Israeli, (nor USA, nor Saudi nor Japan) F-15 never engaged anything in its class and it does not speak volumes about technology. That F-15 is superior to the aircraft listed above? It is quite obvious. No, it is not quite obvious mate the MIG-29 has always been acknowledged as a fighter on par with the F-15 and even superior in some areas. The MIG-25 was considered long time ago as a fighter that couldn't be intercepted by a western fighter because it was flying faster and higher than anything except the SR-71. Don't forget its topic "SU30 vs Super Hornet Thanks for reminding me I almost forgot it...
LARGE Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 he MIG-25 was considered long time ago as a fighter that couldn't be intercepted by a western fighter because it was flying faster and higher than anything except the SR-71. Im also curious how is it possible that f15 shot down a 25? how did it happen and where has it been?
spectre Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 These are Venezuelans. They have purchased 24 new planes and have total 24 Su-30MK2 in service since 2009. It looks like they are very happy to fly them ^^ Their happiness would end the moment they are detected and located by this monster from 100 miles away
topol-m Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Trolling?? Oh come on you can do better than that.. I was not trying to prove anything I just replied to the statement below I disagreed with. In my opinion, Russian scientific work and core research is not that far behind. Implementation and production of the latest technologies lags indeed. The reason is, that Russia does not need to spend trillions of dollars on something that it does not need. Also, Russian military hardware customers do not have money to pay for latest and grates. Israeli, (nor USA, nor Saudi nor Japan) F-15 never engaged anything in its class and it does not speak volumes about technology. And what kind of reply was that, a list of outdated aircraft shot down by F-15, I mean come on su-25?! Su-7? The others? And the "coincidence??" at the end? Even those 9 mig-29 had outdated avionics and armament, so again how are you disproving what Veljko said with that reply of yours. Do you see now why I said trolling? The whole discussion about F-15`s victories, score, comparability with mig-29 is OT. And it would have been ok if it was here and there but when it continues for pages it`s getting annoying. And don`t take that as a personal insult or something, I see you`re new to the forums and your opinion is welcome as long as there is rational sense in your comments. Thanks for reminding me I almost forgot it... You`re welcome. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
spectre Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Im also curious how is it possible that f15 shot down a 25? how did it happen and where has it been? Two during desert strom, the other two are Israeli air victory against Syrian Mig-25's F-15's nickname is Mig-killer..
Alfa Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 F-15's nickname is Mig-killer.. Yeah and another is "crash due to malfunction" JJ
Pilotasso Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 As if the migs lacked any crashing-without-being-shot-at either! ;) .
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 As if the migs lacked any crashing-without-being-shot-at either! ;)Yeah, Portuguese F-16's as well ... ;) 1 Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
Pilotasso Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Difference is; at least we have modern planes left. :D 1 .
Alfa Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Its just interesting that whenever a US jet goes down during a combat mission, its denied until there is footage of the wreck and then the cause is always "technical problems" or "malfunction" :) . 1 JJ
Boberro Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) Well.... it sounds always better than "our advanced plane has been shot down by poor enemy", doesn't it? :P But maybe it really was malfunction hmmmm Edited March 23, 2011 by Boberro Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
nscode Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Actually, in the first 12 hours or so, they leave it open. "The engine stoped, but we just don't know why yet", or so. How? How could you not know, when there is at least 20 people listening to a guy saying "just took a hit"? You either don't know anything yet, or you know exactly why that engine stoped. Don't get me wrong. Those are complex machines, built, maintained and opperated by humans. We've seen all of them (regardles of type) catch fire, or lose a wing, or get flown into ground. These things happen all the time, even in peace time, and chances are, they are more likely to occur in combat, when stress is higher and metal is pushed harder. But, it's just that the line has been used too many times and proven to be false, that leads people to believe "shot down, until proven otherwise". 1 Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
LARGE Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Two during desert strom, the other two are Israeli air victory against Syrian Mig-25's F-15's nickname is Mig-killer.. at what ratio? 10 against 1? btw guys i am remembering when i was young a video on TV of a mig 29 chased by a bunch of f 16 in Serbia and finally shot down? Is there really such a video or i am delusional. It would be interesting to see.
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