Looking for F-15C + 8x AIM-120

[GGTharos]

The AMRAAM is not as good short range as the AIM-9L/M. Especially the latest versions can probably overshoot the target while boosting to speed at short ranges.

[Pilotasso]

The missile will never get mach 4+ when your aircraft is not speeding or the missile goes turning off the rail. It will never burn out in WVR fight like the sidewinder. Missile speed is maneuverability. ;)

 

plus lockon is practically instantaneous versus the grueling waiting times of a heat seeker head with stabilization of the tone, specially in certain aspect angles with no engine plume at the back.

Edited August 21, 2010 by Pilotasso

[Krippz]

To bad we can't see this aircraft from the bottom,

maybe I will look at Eglin.af.mil

 

Looks like it's only carrying six slammers.

[mvsgas]

Yes, I know OP is looking for 8 but, we haven't seen clearly carrying 6 nether.

This just gives me an excuse to look thru aircraft photos all day. When the wife ask I can say I'm helping a friend looking for a specific photo :D

[Krippz]

Yes, I know OP is looking for 8 but, we haven't seen clearly carrying 6 nether.

This just gives me an excuse to look thru aircraft photos all day. When the wife ask I can say I'm helping a friend looking for a specific photo :D

 

:megalol: that wouldn't work with my wife. She'll tell me to push the ejection button and get off the computer :D.

[mvsgas]

[VTJS17_Fire]

In "Eagle Engaged" by Steve Davis you see a lot of pictures with Eagles carrying 6 AIM-120s. That's a regular payload.

But I can't upload this photos, because copyright.

 

But thanks for your help! :thumbup:

 

 

kind regards,

Fire

[MoGas]

http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=102

 

It is the "E" but who cares...lol

 

Armament: One 20mm multibarrel gun mounted internally with 500 rounds of ammunition. Four AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles and four AIM-120 AMRAAM, or eight AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles. Any air-to-surface weapon in the Air Force inventory (nuclear and conventional)

 

and

 

http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=101

 

finally the "C"..

 

Armament: One internally mounted M-61A1 20mm 20-mm, six-barrel cannon with 940 rounds of ammunition; four AIM-9 Sidewinder and four AIM-120 AMRAAMs or eight AIM-120 AMRAAMs, carried externally.

Edited September 2, 2010 by MoGas

[mvsgas]

I think the original post by VJS161_Fire was looking for an actual photo with that aircraft load out.

[tflash]

So am I right we still have no photo of 8xAmraam?

 

Starting to seem like mythical loadout!

[Pilotasso]

Even more mythical than the R-77's on mig? ;)

[Case]

Even more mythical than the R-77's on mig? ;)

I'm sure I've seen a picture of it (though if they were real, who knows :music_whistling:)

[mvsgas]

Like several guys posted before, I do not question the F-15's ability to carry 8 AIM-120 more the practicality of it. We have to admit, not carrying a short range missile is a backward step, same mentality that remove internal guns from most aircraft on the late 50's and during the 60's.

 

Now, talking strictly about a photo with it, the only time I would assume we could find such a weapons configuration is in a demo load or during testing.

 

P.S.

We all have seen the AIM-120 being carried ether on the inboard or the outboard wing luncher, so physically the aircraft is capable of carrying the missile

Edited September 2, 2010 by mvsgas

[mvsgas]

[topol-m]

I'm sure I've seen a picture of it (though if they were real' date=' who knows :music_whistling:)[/quote']

 

I`m not sure if those R-77 are real:

 

Mig-29 SMT and Mig-35:

 

 

 

[Pilotasso]

As I see it, the reason why we havent seen an 8 AMRAAM pic yet is because they rarely had a reason for it. Carrying AMRAAM's on flights counts down MTBO. It is pretty short, some 100-200h.

 

Its very expensive to do this and thus should only be seen at major conflicts. My country for example has never shown its F-16's carrying any AMRAAM. They are all kept in their crates untill such time they are needed.

 

The AMRAAM is a pretty powerful WVR weapon, and its hugely underrated. Pilots here say they would rather take all AMRAAM load than take the crappy old AIM-9L.

[mvsgas]

I know this is going to digress now, but I believe pilotaso is referring to the fact that is rare to see an R-77 photo while loaded in a active/operational unit with MIG-29

 

(please correct me if I'm wrong pilotaso)

Douh! to slow typing

[Pilotasso]

I know this is going to digress now, but I believe pilotaso is referring to the fact that is rare to see an R-77 photo while loaded in a active/operational unit with MIG-29

 

(please correct me if I'm wrong pilotaso)

Douh! to slow typing

 

Only Malaysia and India AFAIK use RVV-AE's in their migs and they are different animals from those in Ruaf inventory (recieved upgrades). To my knowledge Russia has only demonstrated capability to integrate the R-77 for export purposes but as of yet it is not proven a single mig has ever carried it in Ruaf operations. I also dont believe any mig will carry an all R-77/RVV-AE load either :)

Edited September 2, 2010 by Pilotasso

[mvsgas]

Hell, they can even carry ground crew on the wings :D

http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/DezfulD/24298/

[mikoyan]

No pictures of operational migs carring r-77 means that no mig-29 in the russian airforce carries r-77 ergo; the f-15s can't carry 8 ammrams.

:music_whistling:

:music_whistling:

Anyway there are few pictures of flankers caring full 10 missiles load; ergo the flanker can't carry missiles at all!:megalol:

since I don't see pictures of operational su-30mki caring r-77s ; then the Indian su-30s can't carry r-77s and the f-16 pwns everything except for Chuck Norris and the f-22;

 

since the mig-29 shoot down a georgian UAV with an r-73; then the mig-29 can't use its gun while caring r-73s :megalol:

[GGTharos]

I believe you missed pretty much the whole thread.

 

Just FYI, for a long time, the only available image of a MiG carrying R-77 was a MiG carrying 6 red (ie. dummy) R-77's. It has nothing to do with 'not having a picture', it's just that information was very limited and often indicated that these missiles were not used operationally at that time.

 

No pictures of operational migs carring r-77 means that no mig-29 in the russian airforce carries r-77 ergo; the f-15s can't carry 8 ammrams.

:music_whistling:

:music_whistling:

Anyway there are few pictures of flankers caring full 10 missiles load; ergo the flanker can't carry missiles at all!:megalol:

since I don't see pictures of operational su-30mki caring r-77s ; then the Indian su-30s can't carry r-77s and the f-16 pwns everything except for Chuck Norris and the f-22;

 

since the mig-29 shoot down a georgian UAV with an r-73; then the mig-29 can't use its gun while caring r-73s :megalol:

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

My argument was exactly the same when discussing the R-27EA missile and it was rejected, laughed about and ridiculed.

 

Then let me just say that Portugal F-16's in service are not capable of using AMRAAM! ;) Show me the picture to prove otherwise! DON"T touch that Photoshop icon on a desktop ...

 

As I see it, the reason why we havent seen an 8 AMRAAM pic yet is because they rarely had a reason for it. Carrying AMRAAM's on flights counts down MTBO. It is pretty short, some 100-200h.

 

Its very expensive to do this and thus should only be seen at major conflicts. My country for example has never shown its F-16's carrying any AMRAAM. They are all kept in their crates untill such time they are needed.

 

The AMRAAM is a pretty powerful WVR weapon, and its hugely underrated. Pilots here say they would rather take all AMRAAM load than take the crappy old AIM-9L.

[RIPTIDE]

[troll] Ya there's probably some software limitation or data channel limitation to the 6 120's. Probably can't carry 8 at all. 'Cos there's no pictures. [/troll]

[tflash]

The only occasions 8 amraams could have been loaded seem to me the Kosovo campaign 1999 and the invasion in Iraq 2003.

 

F-16's were seen carrying 6 amraams in the Kosovo campaign, so it just might be that F-15C was loaded with 8 amraams? But still no photo!

 

I guess in most other scenario's where ROE would require visual ID it is logical to take some heaters on board. E.g. Nato air policing over the baltics is mostly 2 heaters only, to stress the defensive and policing nature of the mission, and not to provoke the bear.

[Pilotasso]

My argument was exactly the same when discussing the R-27EA missile and it was rejected, laughed about and ridiculed.

 

Then let me just say that Portugal F-16's in service are not capable of using AMRAAM! ;) Show me the picture to prove otherwise! DON"T touch that Photoshop icon on a desktop ...

 

 

Not comparable at all. AMRAAM existed, and fielded, r-77 not so much. ;)

Man forget about the R-27EA. Russia is about to have a much much better weapon in the comming years.

 

Portugal aquired AMRAAM C model missiles. This is public. Its also public that PoAF bought them on the declared objective to establish a standard NATO war reserve. Russia never declared R-77 or R-27EA operational in its service AFAIK. Good luck finding it.

Edited September 3, 2010 by Pilotasso