HAWX 2 on the horizon

[digital_steve]

HAWX is bad, they didn't even bother to put a tailhook on the F-35 that can't land on a carrier, on the mission where you land on a carrier with it.

 

 

That'd be because it's an arcade style game and only picky, whiny wads on simulation forums get fired up about a missing tailhook; joe pick-up-and-play doesn't care or even notice because he doesn't have an hour to go through a start up procedure before he can even play... he has 30 minutes of fun time before he has to take his kids to the park, or walk the dog.

 

HAWX is a game, DCS is a simulation. It's not hard to define.

[Steel Jaw]

HAWX is a game

 

Not quite: HAWX is TRASH.

[Grimes]

What engine would you modify?

 

What you are basically talking about isn't a modification, it's an outright implant of a non-existing element, since there's nothing im place to even begin to do proper aerodynamics and physics modelling. :P

 

I'm going to go out limb and suggest the engine that Supreme Commander is built on. I've had a pipedream for such a long time of combining FPS/First Person Anythings (Tank, Ship, Aircombat sim) within a true RTS world. At anyrate, SupCom has got the scale and terrain available. I'm not sure about aerodynamics, but there are a ton of physics at work in that game. Every shell fired has physics calculated with it. The map sizes were impressive, some going up to 81x81km in scale, however the raw detail is somewhat lacking as there really aren't any towns, roads, or anything quite like that.

 

 

I still think it would be crazy awesome if someone challenged John Carmack and id to make a flight sim game engine.

[digital_steve]

Gawd...

Is there a face palm emoticon, if so then insert here

[Steel Jaw]

Maybe you're on the wrong forum mate.

[digital_steve]

Maybe you're on the wrong forum mate.

 

Either that or i'm the only one that can distinguish between a game and a simulation.

Mind you, i don't subscribe to fanboism in the slightest... so i may be in the wrong forum indeed.

 

Have at it.

 

:doh:

[sungsam]

Just a couple of serious questions here ....

 

I wonder how many lives you have available before HAWX 2 game over ?

At what score you get an extra life ?

Does it retains a Hi-Score Chart ? :megalol: :doh:

Edited September 10, 2010 by sungsam

[asparagin]

I wonder how many lives you have available before HAWX 2 game over ?

 

On difficulty level "realistic" only 3 lives.

 

 

 

:megalol::megalol:

[digital_steve]

God... you should probably rag out galaga and 1942 as well

 

IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE REAL! It's movie-esque gaming.

Are people here so elitist about anything to do with aircraft gaming that they can't accept something for what it is?

[sungsam]

Are people here so elitist about anything to do with aircraft gaming that they can't accept something for what it is?

 

Hello friend,

My apologise if you feel offended ... no intention on personal attack!

Have you ever tried to pilot Open/Free Falcon or DCS Ka-50 ?

They are so realistic simulators that demand a good amount of , theory and tactics studding.

So Yes! People that use the above simulators ... at least people that belong to virtual squadrons tend to become elitists on the simulator they practice.

Simulators are not games. Then again this is only my opinion!

My Rgds :thumbup:

[digital_steve]

Hello friend,

 

My apologise if you feel offended ... no intention on personal attack!

 

Have you ever tried to pilot Open/Free Falcon or DCS Ka-50 ?

 

They are so realistic simulators that demand a good amount of , theory and tactics studding.

 

So Yes! People that use the above simulators ... at least people that belong to virtual squadrons tend to become elitists on the simulator they practice.

 

Simulators are not games. Then again this is only my opinion!

 

My Rgds :thumbup:

 

No, im a member of this forum for no reason.

Of course i own and use LOMAC and DCS.

Elitism in skill set is fine, elitism in genre is pure crap. People play HAWX for fun, not because they think they can match it with VFW's/VFS.

 

The attitude here is "this sucks because it doesn't have a tail hook and i have a million missles" well, no shit! You're supposed too... it's the modern version of the arcade game afterburner that people used to love in the moving cockpit.

 

There's games and there's sims, there is no crossover. HAWX has it's place and it IS fun, DCS has it's place and it IS fun.

Horses for courses you crazy kids.

[Sticky]

Say what you want but the terrain is very good looking. Maybe if we are lucky ED will decide that a completely new terrain is needed for the next DCS ( which should be the F16C ofc ;) ) and we can have something that looks better than current dcs terrain. I dont know about hawx2 but the first hawx had very good looking terrain. I didnt like the trees and "forests" of hawx1, but im sure with new terrain and new trees Ed can make something even much better than hawx, and large areas. Given time ofc :)

 

(ofc I understand that the differences between the two in complexity in other areas than just graphics when it comes to the terrain means that you cant really compare, im just hoping one day we can have something complex AND good looking)

[Grimes]

Red Coalition Chooses Ka-50

 

Blue Coalition Chooses F-15

 

Ka-50 uses NAP Approach

 

Its not very effective.

 

F-15 uses AMRAAM

 

ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE!

 

Ka-50 Summons GCI Su-27

 

F-15 is Stunned

 

Mig-29 uses R-27ER

 

F-15 uses ECM

 

R-27ER Misses

 

F-15 uses TWS Fox 3

 

Its SUPER Effective

 

Red Coalition is defeated!

 

Hey would you look at that. I just described an air combat situation in FC2 in the style of Pokemon. Simulations are games... and when you think about it they have alot in common with Role Playing Games. Especially when you compare the levels which the users get involved in what they are playing. Flight Simmers easily use as much game specific lingo as RPG players. Although I wouldn't be surprised at all if the average player in World of Warcraft had mastered that game more than the average player of DCS:Ka-50 or Falcon 4.

[Sticky]

..... Simulations are games...

 

No I dont agree, a really good simulation is not a game. But yeah for me FC2 is more of a game than a simulation. So in the case of FC2 yes its a game.

[sungsam]

To Grimes,

 

Join a 32 multiplayer COMAO Operation on OpenFalcon that you have to use in rapid mode your Brains, your insite, tactics knowledge, your communication skills etc .....

 

Then come and tell me ..... I wouldn't be surprised at all if the average player in World of Warcraft had mastered that game more than the average player of DCS:Ka-50 or Falcon 4 :smilewink:

[Namenlos Ein]

No I dont agree, a really good simulation is not a game. But yeah for me FC2 is more of a game than a simulation. So in the case of FC2 yes its a game.

Can you give the definition for “combat flight simulation game”?

 

http://ps3.ign.com/objects/080/080868.html

Apache: Air Assault is a modern combat flight simulation game where players control a variety of lethal Apache attack helicopters outfitted with cutting-edge military weaponry.

…

The Realistic mode showcases the real depth of the title, where the dedication to realism and precision shines through. The local Co-op Campaign Mode lets two players team up in the same Apache with one as the pilot and the other as the co-pilot in a joint effort for a truly authentic combat flight experience. For those that want to go even further, Apache: Air Assault includes competitive online multiplayer matches such as Team Deathmatch, Ground Attack, Capture the LZ, and Ground Strike.

[Sticky]

Sorry, I dont understand what a "simulation game" is. For me something is either a simulation OR a game. The closest thing I have seen yet to a simulation is DCS:BS but it didnt quite make it all the way because of some of its flaws (Ground AI, wingmen AI, trees, and some other things) so it came close to a simulation, but fell short. So im gonna call DCS:BS a game for now (it may be upgraded with some of DCS:WH improvements and perhaps ill change my mind then). But I would not call anything "simulation game" because for me those two words cannot be combined in that way. BUT english isnt my 1st language (english was the 4th language I learned) so im no expert in definitions, I can only say what it means to ME.

[asparagin]

The attitude here is "this sucks because it doesn't have a tail hook and i have a million missles" well, no shit! You're supposed too... it's the modern version of the arcade game afterburner that people used to love in the moving cockpit.

 

There's games and there's sims, there is no crossover. HAWX has it's place and it IS fun, DCS has it's place and it IS fun.

Horses for courses you crazy kids.

 

 

I played HAWX and I had fun for half an hour, then I thought "this sucks because it doesn't have a tail hook and i have a million missiles"

and of course as if it were not obvious enough I'll add: IMHO

So.. yes I'm an elitist and proud of it!

Who's with me?

[Steel Jaw]

We all know what HAWX is and who it's aimed at (the simple-minded easy-to-impress console-minded block heads).

 

It's junk that does nothing to advance the genre of combat flight simming.

 

Thus you wont find any praise nor fans of such TRASH here. Nor any other serious flight simming board.

[Sticky]

I played HAWX and I had fun for half an hour, then I thought "this sucks because it doesn't have a tail hook and i have a million missiles"

and of course as if it were not obvious enough I'll add: IMHO

So.. yes I'm an elitist and proud of it!

Who's with me?

 

 

Im with you :D Elitist and proud! But I have to admit, after I came to the conclusion that "this sucks" and "this is crap", I still kept playing it and finished the campaign :music_whistling: And I also admit that the terrain impressed me. I even used trackir... It was fun for a short while, but tetris can also be fun for a short while.

[Sel94]

Just a couple of serious questions here ....

 

I wonder how many lives you have available before HAWX 2 game over ?

At what score you get an extra life ?

Does it retains a Hi-Score Chart ? :megalol: :doh:

Why don't you see for yourself? The game sold so bad that they just released it for the computer for free here.:megalol:

On a more serious note, the devs of HAWX were lazy and made a pretty bad game IMO, that's why Ace Combat is the best!:P

 

HAWX2 review anybody?

[Frostie]

Firstly HAWX doesn't belong in this sub forum as it ain't a sim.

 

IMO the game suxs it doesn't do the shoot'em'up job anywhere near as well as most FPS games.

Its boring and repetitive bile.

 

To Grimes,

 

Join a 32 multiplayer COMAO Operation on OpenFalcon that you have to use in rapid mode your Brains, your insite, tactics knowledge, your communication skills

...and your mouse, monitor, padlocks etc... :pilotfly:

When all is said and done, F4 like many others are simulation games where you can externally apply as much realism as you wish too.

[Grimes]

All I was saying is that when you play a flight sim you are essentially role playing... much more so than most other games that don't classify themselves as RPGs. While playing Battlefield 2 it would be considered rare to come across a group of players who all try to play realistically in terms of tactics and organization. Move up to ARMA and you see groups where ranks, getting in formation for roll call, and saluting superiors. Enter HAWX, you might see some players organizing themselves into flights and trying to fight with teamwork in ways not that different from anyone who plays Ka-50, but they can't execute to the same level as flight simmers simply because of what isn't implemented in the game.

 

The point I am trying to make is that I don't agree with the overall attitude that because a player plays a flight sim and that makes them better than everyone who doesn't play a flight sim. Flight sims are not the "Most Complex and Demanding game out there." I'm not sure what game would classify to that statement, but its NOT guaranteed to be flight sims.

 

Join a 32 multiplayer COMAO Operation on OpenFalcon that you have to use in rapid mode your Brains, your insite, tactics knowledge, your communication skills

 

WoW has 40 man raids where the planning and execution must be spot on by every player in order to succeed.... Or check out the scandals related to Eve Online. A few players actually spent over a year in covert ops infiltrating another group, they rose to the higher levels within the corporation (eve's version of a guild or squadron) and eventually struck a killing blow essentially destroying everything that corp had spent years attaining.... all for a game. Can Falcon 4 players handle that level of intricacy?

 

Maybe they can, maybe they can't. All I'm saying is that flight sims aren't as relatively complex or superior as many believe them to be.

[diveplane]

check this new incredible sim then muhaha

 

[Steel Jaw]

Meh.