Deadman's A-10 C Cockpit Build

[Deadman]

Hi Mac I did thanks . I just needed the pivot point location.

 

the real a-10 stick has two in a U joint configuration so instead of taking all the time to model and draw something most people would never get a hold of I thought a converter mount might work well for most.

I have just been supper busy with the holiday work and drawing I must apologize for not getting back to you thanks for the information DM

[Deadman]

Moken often confuses information and picture of mine with others i have no idea where he got the number the listing i made for the

Fire Extinguisher Discharge switch Three positions wedge head NSN 5930-01-030-4156 is an on-off-on if i remember correctly i don't have the switch in front of me.

I am not sure if Moken will clarify his stament of the switch being incorrect or where he thinks it goes

[Deadman]

HMA the drawing helped a lot I still nee a side picture of the stick base flat on and the size of the base screw holes if you can thanks

[Deadman]

Wile cooking Christmas dinner there was a bang on the door that gave us quite a fright and what did i find much to my delight well envelopes decals and stickers not a great picture . I will get the shipping cost ASAP to those that ordered

[Boltz]

Nice Christmas presents, they look great! :thumbup:

 

Can't wait to get my hands on some

[Hansolo]

Merry Christmas DM. Looks like Santa dropped by in the last minute.

 

Really looking forward for the stuff but no rush from my side. Enjoy the Holiday and then we look at it in the new year.

 

All the best

Hans

[Deadman]

Here are some pictures of Outside Decal placement that you guys can all use

[Sabre-TLA]

Thanks Deadman! Looking forward to the decals!

[Deadman]

your welcome now hopefully i will get some things done on the handles after the new year and things settle down

[Hansolo]

Thanks DM for the pictures. They will come in handy.

 

Cheers

Hans

[Deadman]

Cool I could get more in depth but with every ones pit being different. I think it is best. To just let every one figure out what is best for them. You guys can all ways ask it any thing is unclear

[MacFevre]

Thanks DM.

[Deadman]

Mac no problem got a few things done tonight smoked 20 pounds of sausage for the wife and I and drew this

Time for another beer :drink:

[Boltz]

Wow! Looking great. Enjoy that beer, you deserve it!

[Deadman]

Thanks we will see if i can get the right rail finished today.

The side consoles are still giving me a hard time perhaps it is time to start with a different method on those

Edited December 29, 2013 by Deadman

[Deadman]

Well the rails are done. we will see if i can get some thing done on the side consoles and shell then the basic cockpit will be done.

I have all ready changed the stick mount to take a warthog HOTAS stick base in it. The extension is all so modified for that

[Duckling]

Impressive work DM. If I understand it correct, using the TM stick base will need a shorter shaft, are you planning to cut the existing stick in lowerpart or make a replica/replacement of the real extension ?

I've had some ideas of using two small "shockabsorbers" (floorwise to lower part of stick) with coilover springs (one per axis) to both limit the movement of the full height stick and protect the TM base. Quiz of it would be possible to also add additional load force without blowing the TM base apart. Plastic within the base might be to fraguile

 

The controll load steppers in the base if I recall correct, was connected to both the stick and pedals. Have you found a way to reuse these monsters ?

[Deadman]

No I was under the impression Flim's extension system had worked.

and some one could do the same thing with the added springs. If i have misunderstood and that system is breaking the plastic ball.

 

I can modify the system again to be like the old joy rider where the stick passes through the U joint system to attach with the joy Warthog stick located underneath the floor .

 

At the moment the drawings are straight off of the simulator i have.except for the modification to the stick base and the exclusion of the heavy bottom frame that holds the large torque motors that no one could afford to purchase. And I have fixed a few problems i have found as far as angels and fit goes the cockpit was just slapped together in some places.

 

I did the mod for the Warthog base because it seams like most serious builders all ready have one and it could easily be modified with the longer stick for a true replica of the system.

 

I have been studying the load system with out any old Training manuals for the system like are available for the f-16 cockpits it is a slow process i have had to purchase a few cables as well the big question will be software control for the system connecting with DCS lua scripyting

Edited December 30, 2013 by Deadman

[Duckling]

No shadow on Flims TM extension what so ever. Been close to order but funds has been short as usuall.

Getting it ready for the TM base is the best option I agree. The risk of overtorque on the base may be in my imagination only but if one would limit the stick movment some the quiz is how much force the center will sustaine. There's bound to be some leverage to the base

 

On the trainer, is the stick stick movement limited someway ?

[Boltz]

I've got a full length extension at the moment. Got a new cable in it today so been doing some flying and it seems that sideways movement does not need to be limited to stop it hitting you, just tweak the curves and it is very similar to when I've flown in aircraft with a centre stick. The only concern would be that it may put too much stress on parts in the base and yes there is a lot of leverage on the base. The handle weighs more than 1 kg and its 40cm away from the base so it does push quite hard on the TM base. The main problem I have is there is not enough resistance on the stick but Flims extension will sort that out. Just make sure there is no slack at all at the top or bottom. Even a small amount of play at the bottom is huge at the top with the sort of forces and weight up there.

[Duckling]

Hi Boltz, thanks for the info. I've been toying with some idea as mentioned in the previus post and also to have the the stick force (front-back) to be further induces by additional spring and controlled with a stepper driven shaft with the TM base on a sledge. Likewise several of the Swedish fighter control the trim force on the stick (probably more around :-) but think I have to screen it due of fear to damage the TM base. Flims setup is probably the best cost efficient solution around.

Still wonder if I'd dare to make a test of a config like that. Got a spare base for TM that can be used and the force inducers on DMs trainer looks that it 'should' be worth a try :-)

[Boltz]

The TM base on a sledge sounds like a good idea, that means that trimming the aircraft will actually change the position of the stick. Variable resistance would be good as well although it is unlikely. On the ground control surfaces move a lot better than when in a 60 degree dive at 350 knots and also the manual reversion mode could actually be felt. Some people have done this to yokes in 737 simulators. I believe they used stepper motors to change the length of springs.

 

To do so you would probably have to stop using the base for the TM Warthog and probably build something with potentiometers and springs and dampers.

 

http://www.737ng.co.uk/technical.htm

 

If you scroll down a bit in that link you get to a bit about building your own 737 yoke and a pdf. Something like that but with a stick would be great because you would not have to worry about breaking the TM Warthog. It could easily be interfaced through an Arduino and the grip could be connected to the base by a ps2 extension cable like PeterP's joystick. He uses the base for the buttons but not for the axes.

[Deadman]

I think with the base block modified to fit the Warthog stick base the builder can modify things as complicated as he would like.

There are actualy two pivots in the real stick base one for pitch and one for roll either location could be used for placement depending on spring location requirements and the builders there is a tone of room benith the mounting block for springs, liner actuators and other design components

[Deadman]

Te left side console is basically done one more piece and a few holes and some Dzus rail. any way it is places in the cockpit

[Fritz17031962]

Hallo deadman,can you say me the original length from the A10 Stick please?

i must have the dimension from the pivot point to the underside grip.

And the degree from the middle to left and right,

and from the middle to front and back.

I will bring my Thrustmaster stick to griginal length.

But i think then the ways from the TM Stick are to extreme.

I want to make a mask to limmiting this way .

This are the point why i must have the angular dimensions from the original Stick.

please excuse my bad english.To long ago when i was in scool :music_whistling:

Edited January 6, 2014 by Fritz17031962