STP Dragon Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Hi guys, Question to ED or the beta-tester: Is it possible to open and edit BlackShark (1.0.2) missions in the Editor of Warthog? Is it possible to set the F-15, Su-25T, Mig-29, A-10A, Su-27 etc. to "Client"? Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK
GGTharos Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 No, it is not. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
STP Dragon Posted October 5, 2010 Author Posted October 5, 2010 Do you want to tell me, that I will not be able to convert my BS&FC2-missions to DCS:Warthog? :shocking: Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK
Squid_DK Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 (edited) I think he is. There's a lot more to mission building now, plus a lot of cool new stuff in the editor, I suspect it would take an overhaul with a hurricane to get BS or FC2 to the level of A-10C. Staffan Edited October 5, 2010 by Danish_Squid Spelling http://www.ipms.dk i7 9700K, Asus Z390 Prime A, Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti STRIX ROG, Fractal Design Define R6, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind, Oculus Rift S. 32 GB 3200 MHz RAM
Avilator Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Do you want to tell me, that I will not be able to convert my BS&FC2-missions to DCS:Warthog? :shocking: You can still play them in MP. I only respond to that little mechanical voice that says "Terrain! Terrain! Pull Up! Pull Up!" Who can say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow. -Robert Goddard "A hybrid. A car for enthusiasts of armpit hair and brown rice." -Jeremy Clarkson "I swear by my pretty floral bonet, I will end you." -Mal from Firefly
STP Dragon Posted October 5, 2010 Author Posted October 5, 2010 Of course there are new stuff.... but if the old stuff is still included, it have to be possible to migrate the old missions! Maybe the jets of FC2 are no client anymore but A.I. ... but it have to be possible! You don't want to tell me that I can throw my missionpack into the trash... Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK
Steel Jaw Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 You don't want to tell me that I can throw my missionpack into the trash... Well not for anyone still flying the BS. I have been cooling my jets awaiting the Hog so the BS means nothing to me, FC2 even less. Time to get to work on the main event. ;) "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
Boberro Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Re-create them :D Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
Nate--IRL-- Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Of course there are new stuff.... but if the old stuff is still included, it have to be possible to migrate the old missions! Maybe the jets of FC2 are no client anymore but A.I. ... but it have to be possible! You don't want to tell me that I can throw my missionpack into the trash... There are a lot of changes, to everything. However, the mission file structure appears similar, so while there may be no direct route to migration, editing the mission file by hand in Notepad++ may be possible. Whether this is actually doable remains to be seen. Re-create them :D Trust me if you've ever made a few missions, redoing & retesting them is an exercise in frustration. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
Boberro Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Yes I know. Last time I've been converting mission from LO1. Hard work, but if you want to you make it. Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
GGTharos Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 It -may- be possible to migrate BS missions forward, but not FC2 (as you correctly surmised, the FC2 aircraft are no longer available as clients). However, you cannot migrate BS missions forward in A-10C, as the Ka-50 is also not available. Basically you need to wait for the black shark to get its compatibility pack. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Speed Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 (edited) Of course there are new stuff.... but if the old stuff is still included, it have to be possible to migrate the old missions! Maybe the jets of FC2 are no client anymore but A.I. ... but it have to be possible! You don't want to tell me that I can throw my missionpack into the trash... Maybe you should look to blindspot to make a mission converter. It shouldn't be that hard, it will just take an .exe that sorts through the decompressed mission file and inserts the proper ASCI text. Additionally, it may be possible to copy and paste your triggers over after you have created units with the exact same names and IDs as the precursor mission. For me, 75% of mission creating is the testing since I like dynamic, moving missions, so with that done, it's not as hard to recreate, but still a time-consuming process. BTW Dragon, I'm sure you'll be happy to learn that the new mission editor is going to be AWESOME. Lots of new features that allow us to make better missions :) Edited October 5, 2010 by Speed Intelligent discourse can only begin with the honest admission of your own fallibility. Member of the Virtual Tactical Air Group: http://vtacticalairgroup.com/ Lua scripts and mods: MIssion Scripting Tools (Mist): http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=98616 Slmod version 7.0 for DCS: World: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=80979 Now includes remote server administration tools for kicking, banning, loading missions, etc.
Speed Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 It -may- be possible to migrate BS missions forward, but not FC2 (as you correctly surmised, the FC2 aircraft are no longer available as clients). However, you cannot migrate BS missions forward in A-10C, as the Ka-50 is also not available. Basically you need to wait for the black shark to get its compatibility pack. I'm gonna test it now. I'll just make the Ka-50s AI and try a migration. Intelligent discourse can only begin with the honest admission of your own fallibility. Member of the Virtual Tactical Air Group: http://vtacticalairgroup.com/ Lua scripts and mods: MIssion Scripting Tools (Mist): http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=98616 Slmod version 7.0 for DCS: World: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=80979 Now includes remote server administration tools for kicking, banning, loading missions, etc.
STP Dragon Posted October 5, 2010 Author Posted October 5, 2010 (edited) @GGTharos: BS missions and FC2 missions are the same thing. It is the same editor. In my point of view you have to be able to open the old BS&FC2 missions in the editor to rework them. The FC2-Clients have to be K.I. and most of them will be removed by me. Then I will add some A-10C clients because someone have to do the work of the Su-25T and A-10A. This is what I want! If I will not be able to do this.... I don't think that I'm supporting/creating missions/mods for the Warthog. Edited October 5, 2010 by =STP= Dragon Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK
GGTharos Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Yes, you're right; either way I hope it will work, but sometimes radical format changes can be the price of progress. I think the devs were interested in some backward compatibility, so again, I hope it will work out. @GGTharos: BS missions and FC2 missions are the same thing. It is the same editor. In my point of view you have to be able to open the old BS&FC2 missions in the editor to rework them. The FC2-Clients have to be K.I. and most of them will be removed by me. Then I will add some A-10C clients because someone have to do the work of the Su-25T and A-10A. This is what I want! If I will not be able to do this.... I don't think that I'm supporting/creating missions/mods for the Warthog. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Nate--IRL-- Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 @GGTharos: BS missions and FC2 missions are the same thing. It is the same editor. In my point of view you have to be able to open the old BS&FC2 missions in the editor to rework them. The FC2-Clients have to be K.I. and most of them will be removed by me. Then I will add some A-10C clients because someone have to do the work of the Su-25T and A-10A. This is what I want! If I will not be able to do this.... I don't think that I'm supporting/creating missions/mods for the Warthog. Currently (VERY subject to change) I can load the Battle mission from BS in WH if I remove the player from the aircraft in Black shark FIRST. Expect broken triggers and units and waypoints and AI command tasks, routing tasks, en route tasks and triggered tasks Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
Speed Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Nate: I can load the missions in A-10C regardless of whether the player Ka-50s have been removed or not. It's trying to save it, or click on a unit, that causes a crash. Waypoints also generate an error when saving, something about "No locked time for waypoint!". So anyway, it looks like we are close to being able to covert a mission over, it's just going to take some ingenuity. Intelligent discourse can only begin with the honest admission of your own fallibility. Member of the Virtual Tactical Air Group: http://vtacticalairgroup.com/ Lua scripts and mods: MIssion Scripting Tools (Mist): http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=98616 Slmod version 7.0 for DCS: World: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=80979 Now includes remote server administration tools for kicking, banning, loading missions, etc.
Nate--IRL-- Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 it's just going to take some ingenuity. And a lot of swearing :) Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
STP Dragon Posted October 5, 2010 Author Posted October 5, 2010 OK, that sounds better... We will see what the final product will do. Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK
power5 Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 If I will not be able to do this.... I don't think that I'm supporting/creating missions/mods for the Warthog. Worst news about DCSW to date. :cry: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Aaron i7 2600k@4.4ghz, GTX1060-6gb, 16gb DDR3, T16000m, Track IR5 BS2-A10C-UH1-FC3-M2000-F18C-A4E-F14B-BF109
TAIPAN_ Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Worst news about DCSW to date. :cry: Very true. Maybe if they could at least provide a conversion tool for the final release it would help. They wouldn't have to work "out of the box", just be converted and tested to be effective. Pimax Crystal VR & Simpit User | Ryzen CPU & Nvidia RTX GPU | Some of my mods
STP Dragon Posted October 6, 2010 Author Posted October 6, 2010 Guys, this is just a BETA. And we don't know if DCS:WH will need a compatibility patch also to be compatible with the patched DCS:BS. We will see. ;) Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK
GGTharos Posted October 6, 2010 Posted October 6, 2010 It won't. BS will need a compatibility patch. Guys, this is just a BETA. And we don't know if DCS:WH will need a compatibility patch also to be compatible with the patched DCS:BS. We will see. ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
FGSchtuzer Posted October 6, 2010 Posted October 6, 2010 It won't. BS will need a compatibility patch. Is it decided about a patch? Cause it's logical to insert new features or even new aircrafts into existing game environment with a patch. And here we have situation where it's not aircraft to be patched (of course, it will undergo some modifications for compatability) but whole world of A-10C (editor, textures, game logics, new units etc) is to be introduced with one single patch! :noexpression: Therefore, one could think that BS 2.0 is to be released (same as FC --> FC 2.0). Anyway it would be nice to have a free patch. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Recommended Posts