Wheel brake A-10C

[Razorback]

Where is located the wheel break on the beast ?

 

Emergency handbrake : OK

Wheel brake during the taxi : OK (Flight rudder pedals)

 

You have to desative the wheel brake before taxi (keystroke W) but where is it located into the cockpit ?????

[CrashEd]

Where is located the wheel break on the beast ?

 

Emergency handbrake : OK

Wheel brake during the taxi : OK (Flight rudder pedals)

 

You have to desative the wheel brake before taxi (keystroke W) but where is it located into the cockpit ?????

 

Lol, was also going to ask about this.

[nomdeplume]

I was wondering this too. Is the W just a simplification for those who don't have toe brakes, or is there actually a way to the toggle the wheel brakes in the cockpit and the real pilots just have to keep their feet on the brakes during startup?

[lucioperca]

There is an axis for wheelbrake I was unable to map W as a button on joystick but axis works . TIP assign a small dead zone

[Frederf]

As far as I know there are only the hydraulic toe brakes and the mechanical emergency brake handle. W must either toggle the emergency handle or it's a special "you don't have tilt rudder pedals" toggle for the toe brakes. When you hit W do the pedals or the left control emergency switch move?

[sonic]

? :cry:

[nomdeplume]

When you hit W do the pedals or the left control emergency switch move?

 

The emergency switch doesn't, and it's listed as a separate command in the configuration screen. The in-game pedals aren't animated [yet], so that doesn't help to arrive at a definite answer.

 

I've only occasionally used W when I noticed my jet was creeping forward after startup (it doesn't always do this, but I'm positive the throttle was bottomed, i.e. at idle). So my anecdotes are a bit hazy. However I'm pretty sure that even when I noticed the brakes were locked that touching the toe brakes on my pedals would unlock them.

 

So what I think the 'W' key does is toggles between full brakes (using the pedals) and no brakes, and the axis commands override it. But again, I haven't really used 'W' much - when taxiing or landing I always use the toe brakes. Much easier to make a hash of things that way. :D

[Frederf]

Makes sense, poor man's toe brakes.

[Eddie]

The only way to operate the wheel brakes in the hog is via the toe brake pedals, there is no parking brake as you'd find on other aircraft types.

 

Frederf, what "mechanical" brake handle are you referring to? The only handle related to wheel brakes I can think of is the emergency brake handle, and that doesn't apply the brakes, it merely switches the wheel brakes from the left hyd system to the right system in case of hydraulic failure.

[lucioperca]

As I said before the wheelbrakes Axis works

[ARM505]

Ok, so just to clear it up - this aircraft doesn't have a park brake? That's a bit wierd for a plane thats supposed to operate in an improvised forward strip (knowing how chocks get lost, every plane would end up with a brick/tree stump/dead cow being used as chocks all the time!)

[RustyNuts]

I have CH HOTAS system and found that the wheelbrakes are fully on at startup. To release them I actually have to push the brake pedals in fully. I thought that by tapping the brake pedal forward I was releasing the brakes but no, both pedals must be held forward to taxi smoothly. I checked both brake axis in controls and they are not inverted. To get normal operation with the CH pedals I guess I'll have to invert the axis in setup so they work normally.

[JEFX]

As I said before the wheelbrakes Axis works

 

Do they have independant L and R axis?

 

JEFX

[159th_Viper]

Do they have independant L and R axis?

 

JEFX

 

Yes.

[mvsgas]

Ok, so just to clear it up - this aircraft doesn't have a park brake? That's a bit wierd for a plane thats supposed to operate in an improvised forward strip (knowing how chocks get lost, every plane would end up with a brick/tree stump/dead cow being used as chocks all the time!)

 

I not sure if I understand you comment, please correct me if I miss understood. Non USAF I have ever worked on use parking brake after shutdown. Chalks are always used when parking the aircraft. I worked on F-117, F-16 (Block 40,42, 25, 30). Very little on A-10, F-15, T-38, F-4.

 

IAW AFOSHSTD 91-101

 

1.2.14.3. Wheel Chocking. Wheel chocks, fabricated according to US Air Force specifications,

will be placed fore and aft of the main landing gear or as specified in applicable aircraft TOs.

1.2.16.1. Aircraft Chocks. Before starting engines, the aircraft will be properly chocked and

parked according to applicable TOs and handbooks. Suitable wheel chocks, manufactured to Air

Force specifications, will be used at all times. Functional managers will ensure only those chocks

approved for the specific aircraft are used. When aircraft engines are in operation, chocks will be

removed with the utmost caution after the proper signal has been given. Personnel will approach

the aircraft from the safest direction with regard to the location of propellers and jet intakes and

exhausts.

 

My :thumbup::joystick:

[JEFX]

Yes.

 

 

Thanks viper, this is great news indeed (I was very frustrated in LOFC2 not to be able to use the pedal brakes... or perhaps you know a way to do it?)

 

thanks JEFX

[159th_Viper]

....or perhaps you know a way to do it?)

 

thanks JEFX

 

I'm sure peeps have got the CH toe-brakes to function in LockOn with macros via the CH programming software. I however have not, so cannot help unfortunately :)

[JEFX]

I have the CH rudder pedals for a long time (they really last well!) and before LOFC2 I was always doing complex programming in their CH interface but now for LOFC2, I did the programming in the sim's interface, and keep the different parts of my hotas (all CH) independantly connected, therefore I need to have something in LOFC2's axis mapping page that could handle toe brakes and there isnt... :( it is a pain to have to press W when you have all the necessary hotas and pedals...

 

JEFX

[159th_Viper]

Aahh - Gotcha. Invested in CH Pedals with BS release and very happy with them. Really work a treat with the Warthog though :)

[ARM505]

Thanks mvsgas for the details :) And yes, I know it should never be left on the park brake alone, but just for short stops I thought it would have one. I've only ever flown US made aircraft (civilian of course), and every single one of them had a park brake, from Cherokee 140 to Boeing 737! I assumed the A10 should have one too :)

[Frederf]

The only handle related to wheel brakes I can think of is the emergency brake handle, and that doesn't apply the brakes, it merely switches the wheel brakes from the left hyd system to the right system in case of hydraulic failure

 

Thanks! I assumed the manual's

In the event of hydraulic failure, which controls the braking system, using the emergency brake will likely be your best option.

 

Meant that the emergency brake system was designed to work without hydraulic pressure in either system.

 

As for parking without parking brakes, that's pretty normal. It's tough on any aircraft to be parked for long periods of time with the parking brakes on. Most airplanes still have them for the short durations they are needed. The F-16 for example has one.

[Tango]

The brakes are toe brakes and part of the rudder pedal system. You push the base to operate the rudders, and press the top to operate the brakes.

 

There is no parking brake, so the only way to stop creep on start up is to hold the toe brakes.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[aaron886]

Question about the Hog's toebrakes... Are they modulated, or just "on/off?" In DCSW, they seem to be either on or off... I can't imagine that being the case in real life.

 

Never seen that question asked before, pardon me if it has been.

[Eddie]

Question about the Hog's toebrakes... Are they modulated, or just "on/off?" In DCSW, they seem to be either on or off... I can't imagine that being the case in real life.

 

Never seen that question asked before, pardon me if it has been.

 

They are variable just like any other aircraft, and just the same in sim. I've never had an issue with them seeming to be on/off, parhaps you need to tweat your axis curves.

[Echonomix]

IIRC, the brakes were on during startup on the blackshark. You can check this by using RCtrl + Enter to view controller inputs. The brakes are on the bottom left or right. I haven't check this on the warthog yet, but it does seem like there is a sort of parking brake applied until you either tap the brakes or go up around 85% throttle.

Edited October 16, 2010 by Echonomix
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