Updates to black shark

[isoul]

Can someone set my wingman's "Heroic Actions Switch" to OFF? He seems to have his self-preserving instinct tuned down!

 

Thx & Bye!

[Irregular programming]

My wingman have the switch both on and off. He either runs right into enemy fire and dies or just totally refuses to do absolutely anything at all.

[104th_Crunch]

First off, those wanting extra features... Really? We should have bugs fixed fist. Don't forget there are also few nasty bugs left in FC2.

 

No doubt ED are aware, but as we all know they can only do so much. In my opinion in the case of FC2 I would prefer just to carry on so we can get the next module. Of course if resources permit, please get rid of some of the nasty ones.

[Renato71]

Cute.

If Ka-50 will become online compatible with A-10C, and there is announcement that FC2 will NOT be online compatible with A-10C, that means that once Ka-50 is updated (for online compatibility with A-10C) it will automatically become incompatible with FC2.

[Bucic]

Cute.

If Ka-50 will become online compatible with A-10C, and there is announcement that FC2 will NOT be online compatible with A-10C, that means that once Ka-50 is updated (for online compatibility with A-10C) it will automatically become incompatible with FC2.

Finally :P

[104th_Crunch]

Cute.

If Ka-50 will become online compatible with A-10C, and there is announcement that FC2 will NOT be online compatible with A-10C, that means that once Ka-50 is updated (for online compatibility with A-10C) it will automatically become incompatible with FC2.

 

Correct. You could just have 2 installs of Black Shark.

[Boberro]

Cute.

If Ka-50 will become online compatible with A-10C, and there is announcement that FC2 will NOT be online compatible with A-10C, that means that once Ka-50 is updated (for online compatibility with A-10C) it will automatically become incompatible with FC2.

 

Yes this is why we have to just clone BS folder :)

 

I highly regret Su-25T will be abandoned with its all AFM and beauty of 3D model in DCS-A10. Together with BS Frog is good team.

[Bucic]

Yes this is why we have to just clone BS folder :)

 

I highly regret Su-25T will be abandoned with its all AFM and beauty of 3D model in DCS-A10. Together with BS Frog is good team.

It's a sacrifice we need to go for ;) FC2 is a balast.

[Boberro]

Sacrifice LO... I was saying that when I heard about merging LO and BS. "What for?" "Cmon leave LO alone"", let's move futher...." When both had been merged I found how good move it was.

 

Now looking with experience of past I'd accept even "as is" Frogfoot in DCS - at least it does have one of DCS cores - AFM :)

[Bucic]

I'd accept even "as is" Frogfoot in DCS - at least it does have one of DCS cores - AFM :)

I would accept such a solution too. But if it won't be done, so be it. Ditching FC 2 is more important. ED clearly has not enough resources even to cover most of the serious bugs.

[dooom]

is the issue the ongoing tie to Ubi if they maintain any merge with the LOMAC engine. DCS is a whole new company free from the Ubi shackle.. dropping FC2 to get on with the DCS world and vision is necessarry if I recall.

[Renato71]

So, FC2 comes to be just another waste of developers resources...

 

Whole series branched into one dead branch and one bonsai branch :(

[Bucic]

Even FC 1 was independent of Ubi, so what the hell are you talking about? :) Ubi could in no way take advantage of the fact that FC 1 required LO to play. FC 1 was branded "unofficial addon". Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited January 6, 2011 by Bucic

[dooom]

meh... i dont know... I have no quotes or anything to support my recolection.. I simply wrote what i remembered hearing or reading somewhere along the line. To be clear, I have absolutely no knowledge of why/why not ED would drop FC compatability.

 

i dont need it to work with A10c anyway. FC2 is a hell of a fun game. DCS can happily reside on my destop beside it.

[Henchman14]

Well, besides the quirky autopilot and Hover mode, my biggest complaint is the GOD LIKE AI! The ground forces aren't too bad because most of them don't move much. Mostly I'm talking about the jets and the Heli's. The jets I don't mind as much, because their radar makes them able to pick you up from far away. I can't do anything about that. But the heli's are insane. Especially the Apache. The pilots, on average skill, can "see" you from over 20 km away! At least thats as far as I've tested so far. I'm sure its even further. They have better "radar" than the jets. There's no ambushing them. They know exactly where you are. Their skills with missiles and guns are the stuff of legend. They're nothing but divine assassins! There is no escape! Even head on, it took four vhikers to down one of them, and I was lucky at that. I've shot 6 at one and couldn't kill it. If they're sideways to you, forget it. The vhiker can't turn that fast, it flies out of the tunnel.

Though they rarely, if ever miss me. One hit from a hellfire, and you go down in flames. Fast maneuvering doesn't seem to help at all. And if you get in their gun range, they NEVER miss.

 

EDIT: Well, I just saw the AH-64D seems to have a radar system, so that explains some things. But I still think it has some god like AI.

So far, the shark just seems to be overated. It lacks RWR, A-A, FLIR, and ECM, which should be on any modern copter. A better copter should have been modeled. This one is like flying an AKM with wings.

 

My other real problem is that the copter flies like a brick with rotors. When I hit the trimmer, it never seems to get it right. Even in no wind. I'll have it all stable, hit the trimmer, let go, and boom, it wants to yaw right or left, or it wants to pitch forward. Rarely does it hold it right. Also, the altitude hold button never seems to work, even if I hit it when I'm as stable as I can get the copter. Its just really frustrating, drives you nuts.

 

And personally, I would never fly this copter in real life. The blades seem to clash and blow at any excuse they can get. The copter its own worse enemy. I can't see this thing ever being fielded.

 

Please gives us a real copter, Mi-28N. Proven. Or the AH-64D.

Edited January 7, 2011 by Henchman14

[power5]

There are many people with none of your problems. I have not faced apaches. I have taken down Mi-24s with only guns.

 

My helo flies perfectly with the trimmer. Took me a long time to get anywhere near being combat effective in the BS.

 

Keep practicing, things will get easier.

[Bucic]

Still the biggest question is - when?

[msalama]

Keep practicing, things will get easier.

 

...and also adjust your controller (JS / rudder) sensitivity curves to something that actually _work_ for you! I personally found out that the default 10,20.. settings are waaaay too sensitive for me so I changed them to 1,4,7.. (an S curve) and got a very precise chopper in return :)

[isoul]

So, FC2 comes to be just another waste of developers resources...

 

Whole series branched into one dead branch and one bonsai branch :(

 

But FC2 is many steps behind DCS series. I doubt that FC2 can be brought to DCS standards and the ability to fly an F-15, MiG-29 etc with the normal flight model compared to those flying with A-10C and Ka-50 and their high fidelity flight models will be like...cheating!

 

I think this has been discussed to death already. Its not a waste of resources, its just technology and its products moving forward! Simple as this and happens all the time!

[Dejjvid]

As it now, it suck goat balls to be shot down by nooby FC2 players when you are in the KA-50. You don't stand a chance. Pairing a lo-fi and a hi-fi sim in head-to-head mp isn't fair imo.

The only benefit i see from FC2 and BS compability is in Human vs. AI scenarios. Or if you have equal teams, so you can have ACP protecting you.

[Boberro]

But FC2 is many steps behind DCS series. I doubt that FC2 can be brought to DCS standards and the ability to fly an F-15, MiG-29 etc with the normal flight model compared to those flying with A-10C and Ka-50 and their high fidelity flight models will be like...cheating!

 

So weren't cheating flying an A-10 with its arcade flight model (arcade compared to complexity and advance of Su-25) in FC 1 and partially also in FC 2? :)

[Henchman14]

As it now, it suck goat balls to be shot down by nooby FC2 players when you are in the KA-50. You don't stand a chance. Pairing a lo-fi and a hi-fi sim in head-to-head mp isn't fair imo.

The only benefit i see from FC2 and BS compability is in Human vs. AI scenarios. Or if you have equal teams, so you can have ACP protecting you.

 

Well, thats how I feel in BS playing against the AI and their arcade FMs, + instant reactions and God like accuracy. I've put about I'd estimate 70 to 80 hours into this sim now, and I'm still trying to figure out why some things go strangely wrong. Another thing I'd like to see clarified more is the armor arrangement on things such as the engine. The cockpit seems to be able to take major damage and survive, but everything else seems to have little to no armor around it, especially the engines. The .50 cal on a Stryker can take you down with just a few shots, blowing your engines to hell. That seems kind of odd. I though this thing had better armor. Also, I thought the blades could take a few shots and stay intact. That also seems false. The AI Ka-50's and Mi-24's in the quick start mission seem to be able to take all kinds of punishment and stay aloft, ducking in and out of close combat. Not my copter. Two or three hits from a .50 and its going down in flames. I stay as far away as possible from anything more than an AKM. Otherwise, I know I'm going to be toast. This seems strange for such a big, bulky helicopter. I feel like I might as well be flying a French Gazelle.

[Renato71]

But FC2 is many steps behind DCS series. I doubt that FC2 can be brought to DCS standards and the ability to fly an F-15, MiG-29 etc with the normal flight model compared to those flying with A-10C and Ka-50 and their high fidelity flight models will be like...cheating!

 

I think this has been discussed to death already. Its not a waste of resources, its just technology and its products moving forward! Simple as this and happens all the time!

 

What a shift from "FC2 is many steps behind DCS" to "technology and its products moving forward!" :huh:

 

At the moment when FC2 was published, and was bloody happy and I thought it is a start of something new and better. Cos ED said that DCS will be moddable, and by introducing FC1 aircraft into DCS environment, hopes were high that new aircraft will be developed "in a jiffy".

But know, I do consider it as a waste of resources cos it is very probable that it was not developed overnight by some programmer that was bored of porn sites. Nor I do believe there is secret tool or plugin named "FC1 to FC2 converter".

Also, there was some effort put into making DCSBS online compatible with FC2. That also did not happen by simply turning on yet another option on the same menu.

 

I would prefer if that time was spent on developing something that CAN be modeled properly cos there ARE available documents about it. Instead of having "6 crappy models that will be scrapped" we could have 6 simple aircraft - at DCS level - that will last for considerable time. I do believe that it is far easier to model all aspects of MiG-21 or F-5 then to model something with so complex systems like A-10C or AH-64D. And that it will be more attractive to fly an aircraft that is/was active in Air Forces around the world, instead of making fictious and what-if skins.

 

Its like Americas Army in the air - you are always Yankee, and the other guys is always OpFor.

 

On top of all, if there is no FC2, that could most probably mean that DCSWH could be finished long time ago.

 

Then again, I may be wrong.

 

Whatever it is, I would really like to know in which direction is this series heading. I hate to invest time and money into something that will be scrapped too soon, or not developed at all.

[Bucic]

FC 2 already happened so I would appreciate if we don't spend much time talking about it. I'm guessing that it is highly unlikely that FC2 will be online compatible with DCS WH, which is a good thing.

 

Right now all we can do is to wai for the info on how long it will take after DCS WH release to finish an update for DCS BS and what updates and fixes will be included.

[Boberro]

I was thinking and I would even pay again for LO to be compatible with DCS series as well. Yes everybody paid already for LO2 but I could agree in this case again to pay small price (for forever compatibility not only for DCS:W).

 

Warthog and BS will not be used as they should be - together with another planes. Simply IMHO a bit boring. Taking in consider typical ED plane creation and other accidents new modules will not be fast - even when they effort.

 

God damn give us compatibility with LO2 even without those new graphic upgrades, or make new aircrafts much faster, please :]

Edited January 7, 2011 by Boberro