EtherealN Posted December 12, 2010 Posted December 12, 2010 Those are simulators. The purpose is to go do something with the real-life device. Did you hear the rumor that DCS is based on software used to train (conversion training) A-10C pilots? ;) The purpose of this thing is to be an accurate simulation of the real thing, such that the real military can use it for training and consumers can get an (edited) version to play with. Same thing with X-Plane. Is that a game or a sim? Does the nature of the product change simply depending on whether the user is me or a flight school? (For reference, I did use a desktop simulator (though with a simpit) for parts of my IRL flight training - even for some of the actual flight parts like identifying and recovering spin and so on. I then loaded the same product up on my laptop for fun. There's zero difference between the actual software product, so it's nature cannot change.) The purpose of use can change, but a wrench is a wrench. Even if you use it as a hammer, it's still a wrench, and if you don't use it at all - it's still a wrench and this discussion is pointless. ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Steel Jaw Posted December 12, 2010 Posted December 12, 2010 This is a game. Very good and highly detailed, yes, but still a game. Sim. :thumbup: "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
Steel Jaw Posted December 12, 2010 Posted December 12, 2010 "eye twitching uncontrollably" Is the word game being used in here? Please let it go so my eye can return to normal. Repeat after me. Sim-u-la-tion. Whew I am tired. Feecking A. :thumbup: "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
kaiserb_uk Posted December 12, 2010 Posted December 12, 2010 blaster - it's not a 'study' sim because you have to study. Seriously? It's a study of one aircraft in exquisite detail, as was BS before it.
Yskonyn Posted December 12, 2010 Posted December 12, 2010 blaster - it's not a 'study' sim because you have to study. Seriously? It's a study of one aircraft in exquisite detail, as was BS before it. I suspect you missed the irony here. ;) The age old discussion again, gents. Good points being made here, but its an endless discussion because it depends on how you technically use the words 'sim' and 'game'. By the definition of both words DCS is both. Heck, even Simcity is both; its made for entertainment purposes and yet it simulated real life workings or aspects of things. Effectively making it both a game and a sim in the most general sense of the word. But I dont think thats the intent of the discussion when we look at highly detailed packages like DCS. The question is, though, wether we should look differently at products like DCS? Isn't this just a game and a sim as well at the end of the day, despite most of us thinking its a special piece of software simulating something most of us dont see on an every day basis. Isnt that what makes it so special for most? But isnt it meant for entertainment, so a game by definition as well? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus Z390-E, 32GB Crucial Ballistix 2400Mhz, Intel i7 9700K 5.0Ghz, Asus GTX1080 8GB, SoundBlaster AE-5, G15, Streamdeck, DSD Flight, TM Warthog, VirPil BRD, MFG Crosswind CAM5, TrackIR 5, KW-908 Jetseat, Win 10 64-bit ”Pilots do not get paid for what they do daily, but they get paid for what they are capable of doing. However, if pilots would need to do daily what they are capable of doing, nobody would dare to fly anymore.”
kaiserb_uk Posted December 12, 2010 Posted December 12, 2010 He's american, they don't 'do' irony*. *they think it means 'made of iron'. 1
reemit0772 Posted December 12, 2010 Posted December 12, 2010 Agreed, a masterpiece that reminds me of loading up DI's Tornado many years ago. :D Yep, very much so. Ive still got Tornado as a keepsake. A10 is equally if not more significant. Imagine where we will be with fidelity in another 10 years from now. i5/9600K wc, Z390XP, 32Gb/DDR4, 1080ti wc, 850 Evo SSD, TMWH, DSD FLT1, ORs. A10C, UH1, MI8, BF109K4, SA342M, L39C, M2000C, Mig21BIS, Mig15, F86, C101, Hawk, F-14, F-5E, Spitfire MkIX, AV8B N/A, FA-18C, P51-D, Yak 52, Mig19p, F-16C, JF-17 OPF, Red Flag2, MusRel, BnboB, Tbs, TEW 3.0, TTQ, MI8 OFC, SC.
galagamo Posted December 12, 2010 Posted December 12, 2010 OK gents, a happy medium "Gameulation" [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] OS:WIN7 HP X64|MOBO:ASRock Z68|CPU:I52500k@4Ghz|RAM:12Gb 3x4Gb GSkill Ripjaws 9-9-9-24 @1600Mhz|GPU:ASUS GTX580|HDD:2x128Gb Crucial sataIII SSD raid0|PSU:Antek 1000watt|Case:Antek 1200|Peripherals: TMWH|Saitek ProFlight rudder pedals|TrackIr4
EtherealN Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 Gameulation is acceptable to me. :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Teknetinium Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 FC2 is Gameulation, A-10C/Ka-50/Su-25 is a simulators if you as me. I Wish we have a fighter soon joining the simulator world. 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube
Grimes Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 It shouldn't matter what you call it as long as you enjoy it at whatever level of detail you wish to enjoy it at. The point is that the original poster thinks quite highly of this "simulation- a sub-genre of games." And on that account there is plenty to enjoy here. Even if you are the hardest of the hardcore flight sim enthusiasst or a die-hard Nintendo Fan there is no denying the universal smirk that gets imprinted on your face the first time you fire the A-10s GAU-8. Personally arguing semantics is all fun and good, but ultimately does very little to establish a consensus as this topic will surely be brought up again. So we might as well get back to the original topic of appreciating this (pick 1) A. Sim, B. Game. C. Gamulation. D. Digital Mistress. The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
Avilator Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 He's american, they don't 'do' irony*. *they think it means 'made of iron'. And you think driving on the wrong side of you cars on the wrong side of your roads is a good idea.:music_whistling: I only respond to that little mechanical voice that says "Terrain! Terrain! Pull Up! Pull Up!" Who can say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow. -Robert Goddard "A hybrid. A car for enthusiasts of armpit hair and brown rice." -Jeremy Clarkson "I swear by my pretty floral bonet, I will end you." -Mal from Firefly
Avilator Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 A. Sim, B. Game. C. Gamulation. D. Digital Mistress. I know it says pick 1, but I can't decide between A and D. Arrgh! I only respond to that little mechanical voice that says "Terrain! Terrain! Pull Up! Pull Up!" Who can say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow. -Robert Goddard "A hybrid. A car for enthusiasts of armpit hair and brown rice." -Jeremy Clarkson "I swear by my pretty floral bonet, I will end you." -Mal from Firefly
jerda Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 It's so much more than a digital mistress. That just sounds so cheap and quick. It's more like a digital wife. yep.
Yskonyn Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 Digital mistress... come to think of it I might even go for prostitute; We all cant resist buying,new toys to complement our sim experience, so dcs does take our money time and again to provide pleasure, doent it? ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus Z390-E, 32GB Crucial Ballistix 2400Mhz, Intel i7 9700K 5.0Ghz, Asus GTX1080 8GB, SoundBlaster AE-5, G15, Streamdeck, DSD Flight, TM Warthog, VirPil BRD, MFG Crosswind CAM5, TrackIR 5, KW-908 Jetseat, Win 10 64-bit ”Pilots do not get paid for what they do daily, but they get paid for what they are capable of doing. However, if pilots would need to do daily what they are capable of doing, nobody would dare to fly anymore.”
sammyj Posted December 13, 2010 Author Posted December 13, 2010 ..... seriously? My first thread on this forum becomes the debate on game v's sim? Way to ruin it :( The intent of my post was to express my gratitude to all involved. They've created an environment where i can lose hours at a time immersed doing something that is close to my heart and I enjoy. I guess debate is always healthy but i never meant or wanted to stir up something that could be a problem. The silver lining is until the poster made mention of trackir i never knew what it was. I saw all these vids of people having amazing control of their view and their zooming but i never knew how. So now i have to earn even more brownie points for that as well!!! :) Anyways, bring on more conversation and simulation ;)
Yskonyn Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 We're sorry sammyj. I read back and it already went awry on page 1! ;) At least you're introduced to the sensitivity about calling this a 'game' properly now! :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus Z390-E, 32GB Crucial Ballistix 2400Mhz, Intel i7 9700K 5.0Ghz, Asus GTX1080 8GB, SoundBlaster AE-5, G15, Streamdeck, DSD Flight, TM Warthog, VirPil BRD, MFG Crosswind CAM5, TrackIR 5, KW-908 Jetseat, Win 10 64-bit ”Pilots do not get paid for what they do daily, but they get paid for what they are capable of doing. However, if pilots would need to do daily what they are capable of doing, nobody would dare to fly anymore.”
nomdeplume Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 The silver lining is until the poster made mention of trackir i never knew what it was. I saw all these vids of people having amazing control of their view and their zooming but i never knew how. So now i have to earn even more brownie points for that as well!!! If you're the DIY type, you should also look into Freetrack and FaceTrackNoIR. TrackIR tends to be easier since developers specifically support it (particularly the case here) but if you're willing to fiddle you can save yourself some cash. That said, I don't regret buying either of my TIRs.
blaster454 Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 He's american, they don't 'do' irony*. *they think it means 'made of iron'. Well, I'm gonna take a wild guess and say I may have learned the art of irony before you did. :smilewink: And no, I don't think irony means made of iron ... any more than you think Aluminium is the correct way to pronounce that shiny metal. :lol: Yes, it was meant to be irony ... perhaps I could have been more metallic! :D WH_Blaster (Larry) :beer: US Air Force (Retired, 1961-1981) Join us for fun with the DCS series and other games at the War Hawks Squad website ... we are a mature gaming group that enjoys realism and having fun! http://war-hawks.net System: i7=950 @ 3.3 GHz, GA-X58-UDR3 MB, 6GB RAM, GTX770, 256GB system SSD, 128GB gaming SSD, TIR5, TM HOTAS WH, HannsG 28-in, Acer 23-in touch screen.
kaiserb_uk Posted December 13, 2010 Posted December 13, 2010 Well, I'm gonna take a wild guess and say I may have learned the art of irony before you did. :smilewink: And no, I don't think irony means made of iron ... any more than you think Aluminium is the correct way to pronounce that shiny metal. :lol: Yes, it was meant to be irony ... perhaps I could have been more metallic! :D Glad you could see the humour in my post if I couldn't necessarily see the irony in yours ;)
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