Kuznetsov Carrier Ops SU-33 3 Ship Fightersweep

[winchesterdelta1]

A new and more exciting vid of us flying a Fightersweep in a SU-33. See how our 3 ship close formation engages some F15's and Russian Fighters in BVR and close Furball. Sit back and watch the fight.

 

[MoGas]

funny video thanks :)

[Kuky]

This is great... zoom in fully... lock the guy at 80km... keep going at him full burners.... when you get locked and fired on by an AIM-7 keep full speed, roll a little and black out and trash that AIM-7... real Top Gun flying :D

[Cali]

What I see there is a game, no simulation in the flying in this video. Fly straight towards the guy while I have a missile inbound and no going defensive....great.

Edited December 19, 2010 by Cali

[winchesterdelta1]

So and how do you guy's do it online....?? I'm wondering because of the sarcastic comments. But yeah let me edit the post and nuance it a little by taking away simmulation... Also you might keep in mind that it was more than 60 minutes of recording. Only took out the crazy bits. And after all... we are not real fighter pilots. Most of the time when your against 5 to 6 other fighters you can't run that easy... Most of my evading is edited away. And i am fighting only semi active and short range.. So if i can break the lock even briefly by wobling or barrel role i wil do that. If i knew i was evading Active homing missiles i would go way more defensive...

Edited December 19, 2010 by winchesterdelta1

[Kuky]

... So if i can break the lock even briefly by wobling or barrel role i wil do that..

 

this is why the sarcastic comment, in that video I didn't see anything you would do in real life engagement, from the point of going full burner towards the aircraft that is shooting at you and his missiles have lot more range... to the point of you using completely (insert description) manuovers to break lock and evade that missile... to the point of zooming in to see what aircraft 50km away is doing... something like that.

 

I am not saying I am real life pilot either but I am not flying like this ever. Cali got it right though... it is a game and you surely fly it like that because what works in game is what you use, fact that wobling a bit to make some warp and pulling max G at Mach1 till you black out will not work in real life situation. Its just that if you'd ever find your yourself against an air threat like that and keep going at him ful speed and he's got missile at you already no jinking on the stick will save you.

Edited December 19, 2010 by Kuky

[winchesterdelta1]

No duh.. its a game. There are little video's around that you see people act like in real engagements. And hey.. i'm flying a flight Simm.. SO i must be simmulating something Right! Even if its not the proper way... Or has this game just been demoted to arcade flying. Don't blame me you can avoid missiles by pulling high G's.

 

I'm just trying to say... Don't have a hick up over one word "simmulating". Do you want to hear me say i didn't mean it like that? Next time i put "Arcade flying in Lock ON FC2" in the titel.. especially for you.

Edited December 19, 2010 by winchesterdelta1

[Boberro]

Let's clarify - most people in LO don't fly close to reality. Take off, fly fire 8 missiles and run away or fire 1 ER and continue flying straight to target :D I don't say it is bad, game is game, LO is very light "sim"... also you can't use full avionic... F-15 mostly I think, but such Su-27 also doesn't have important features as TTI timer or advanced GCI support.

 

If someone is having fun why not, his business ;]

[Kuky]

Well you don't need to get angry at me either if I say what that video shows is not good flying at all, the fact that you can make your aircraft warp and loose lock and keep using that as "tactics" kinda supports my view I think.

[Cali]

How I fly online and other are totally different. It all depends on what server I'm in and how I feel at the time. But if I fly in the 51st, it's always to stay alive. I'm not gonna lie, sometimes it's fun to just fly and no expect to make it back to home base. maybe try to see if you can sneak up on someone and get a gun kill.

 

It's a game, some choose to fly it more realistic and other don't. Just like some people spam missile hoping for a kill. Flying that fast and pulling g's like that can kill you really fast....in real life. We had a pilot crash and die last year because of that. Went straight into the ground at over 400mph, he didn't have a chance. It's crazy to continue to fly towards a missile, but in real life they even mess up, so you take your chances.

[Cali]

No duh.. its a game. There are little video's around that you see people act like in real engagements. And hey.. i'm flying a flight Simm.. SO i must be simmulating something Right! Even if its not the proper way... Or has this game just been demoted to arcade flying. Don't blame me you can avoid missiles by pulling high G's.

 

I'm just trying to say... Don't have a hick up over one word "simmulating". Do you want to hear me say i didn't mean it like that? Next time i put "Arcade flying in Lock ON FC2" in the titel.. especially for you.

 

The game might have been demoted because of how people fly and what the game allows them to do. It's people that ruin games, some people look for exploits and cheats. Not saying this is what's happening, just going back to when I use to play Rogue Spear game's. And yes, there have been people flying lock on, FC1 and FC2 looking for ways to cheat. It happens, that's life, people get tired of not being good so they have to look for ways around it.

[winchesterdelta1]

Warp..? I'm not using any warp to my advantage.. there is almost no warp. I alway's try'd to do everything more realistic but that alway's ends me up death faster in Multiplayer.. cause those dam ;) virtual pilots don't have any fear of death. It's totally useless to fly with real tactics against people that fight like there is no tomorrow. If this vid was realistic it would be more than 4 hours of planning and flying. So i changed my tactics and recordid it for a nice video. The sad thing is you alway's end up defending your vid because some guy has to comment its not realisic... Offcourse its not realistic its a game. And just like Cali some day's i play it more realistic than other day's.

 

It only annoy's me that people alway's try to add sarcastic comments while they know its just a game. Alway's trying to get you on something.. a word you didn't mean in its full meaning, spelling you did wrong. Everybody knows you can't trully simmulate a game in a public server.

 

There where alot of hints to in my initial post to see it was not a serious simmulation vid (exciting vid, Sit back and watch the fight). So if you expected some hardcore simmulation you could just avoid the video instead of leaving some unnecessary sarcastic comment just so we know it wasn't the vid you expected. There are only a few people that add constructive critisism.

 

I hope you enjoyed it.. if not i wasted 9 minutes of your life. Sorry for that.

Edited December 19, 2010 by winchesterdelta1

[asparagin]

I think we'll have to wait for DCS: fighter for more realistically gameplay online. That will keep some percentage of cheaters and exploiters away. (No reference to the video)

[Cali]

I think we'll have to wait for DCS: fighter for more realistically gameplay online. That will keep some percentage of cheaters and exploiters away. (No reference to the video)

 

I highly doubt that some things will never change, some things you can't change. FC2 has done a good job at the protection of keeping bad people out. there is nothing it can do about high pings/lag and problems dealing with the internet.

[Grimes]

I think we'll have to wait for DCS: fighter for more realistically gameplay online. That will keep some percentage of cheaters and exploiters away. (No reference to the video)

 

A basic fighter weapons school would help. As it stands the tutorials teach the buttons to use the weapons, but not how to fight with them correctly. Maybe I'm just cynical, but having a higher fidelity doesn't automatically translate into more knowledgeable fighter pilot, it just means they have more buttons to learn.

[Kuky]

One side question... I am pretty sure I hear in the video one guy say there are 2 F-15 near WP2... another guys asks for their altitude... and first guy replies that he doesn't know, he doesn't have them on radar yet... so how can he know that there are 2 F-15's near WP2 if he doesn't even have them on radar?

[Outlaw]

Hey.. win pleasure flying with you / against you..

 

 

Well I will say 1 one thing 2 all.. u can see the guy is a noob.. instead off all these comments can you put some advise to guy to help him improve..

 

not like you all off you started Aces..

 

Sorry for this but its a fact

[asparagin]

I highly doubt that some things will never change, some things you can't change. FC2 has done a good job at the protection of keeping bad people out. there is nothing it can do about high pings/lag and problems dealing with the internet.

 

It's not about that.

660 pages of manual is the entrance ticket, and believe me, for good or bad not a lot are willing to pay for it.

[winchesterdelta1]

One side question... I am pretty sure I hear in the video one guy say there are 2 F-15 near WP2... another guys asks for their altitude... and first guy replies that he doesn't know, he doesn't have them on radar yet... so how can he know that there are 2 F-15's near WP2 if he doesn't even have them on radar?

 

Thats another guy flying a F15 and sees that there are 2 other F15's close to WP2 by looking at is RWR... you can hear his RWR beeping on the background. It's not only us 3 on that server and TS. You try to over analyze something wile you don't know the entire situation. And alot of chatter is edited away.. So again yo don't see the enitre situation.

Edited December 19, 2010 by winchesterdelta1

[Cali]

I think we'll have to wait for DCS: fighter for more realistically gameplay online. That will keep some percentage of cheaters and exploiters away. (No reference to the video)

 

It's not about that.

660 pages of manual is the entrance ticket, and believe me, for good or bad not a lot are willing to pay for it.

 

I was just referring to waiting for DCS fighter to fly more realistic, whic isn't going to change anything IMHO, people are still gonna do what they do now in FC2. Although it may change a tad bit, from what I see from BS pilots. Some people just don't have the time and patience to learn how to really fly.

[winchesterdelta1]

So cali.. when your gonna invite us to your server so we can see how the master fly's. You can show us how real fighter pilots fly and fight. I guess you have a long briefing before every flight.... And some training excersises to get us ready for the real mission. I guess 1 week preparation is enough.. if not i hear it from you. I will get my pilot helmet and oxygen mask... caus no real fighter pilot would go out with one of those.... oww and i cerainly should not gorget my G suit and instructor. Hmm i am probably forgetting something. Tell me what i need to do so people don't call me a fake virtual fighter pilot.

 

Sorry.. but most people can agree that its sometimes annoying on those public servers... but it seems in your tone that you discuss them while they are having great fun. Just because they don't fly as realistic as you do. I would love to have a fully working cockpit so i could actually do some missions that would resemble reality. TO bad al my money that i can spend freally has been put in making these games work on my computer. Not everybody is Rich and has sea's of free time to play FC2 as realistic as possible everytime...

[Kuky]

Look mate... you don't have to be rich or have a real G suit and oxigen mask... but you should read and learn from others about tactics being used (not detailed but general at least) and what would save your ass and what would get you killed in real life and try to fly like that... not what works in game because of its flaws... and enough said there because the way you flew you in that video is nothing like you would fly in real life, more what would work in games like HAWX... and I'm not making fun of anyone or anything here but I am just saying that flying like that is when don't know or want to follow basic principles in air combat... most basic one is you simply don't keep going at the guy who's fired a missile at you that outranges your weapons... it's simply suicide in real life.... but hey obviously it works in games and sims alike simply because of the game coding and warping PC's make when they are not very good or have bad network latencies... it's fact but point is anyone who knows a bit about what you could and could not do will at least want to follow whese basic principles, it all comes down to that.

 

In the end you get to chose what you want to use as tactics and that's what we are saying... what has been used in that video is not how you'd fly for real... you do have a choice on what you do and wether to use game code flaws or not or try to fly as you'd normally do if it were for real... is that a fair point?

[Cali]

So cali.. when your gonna invite us to your server so we can see how the master fly's. You can show us how real fighter pilots fly and fight. I guess you have a long briefing before every flight.... And some training excersises to get us ready for the real mission. I guess 1 week preparation is enough.. if not i hear it from you. I will get my pilot helmet and oxygen mask... caus no real fighter pilot would go out with one of those.... oww and i cerainly should not gorget my G suit and instructor. Hmm i am probably forgetting something. Tell me what i need to do so people don't call me a fake virtual fighter pilot.

 

Sorry.. but most people can agree that its sometimes annoying on those public servers... but it seems in your tone that you discuss them while they are having great fun. Just because they don't fly as realistic as you do. I would love to have a fully working cockpit so i could actually do some missions that would resemble reality. TO bad al my money that i can spend freally has been put in making these games work on my computer. Not everybody is Rich and has sea's of free time to play FC2 as realistic as possible everytime...

 

 

Maybe you need to go back and read post #10.

 

I fly differently depending on what server I'm in, but I fly best or try to fly my best in the 51st. Some other servers have external views and labels, how can you fly real in that? Servers like that are just for fun. Then you have servers in between that, that don't have labels but have kill messages. Some people fire a actives, turn away and wait to see if they get a kill.

 

We all do it sometimes, fly not realistically, everyone does it at times....some more then others. If I hurt your feelings with the first post, then sorry, but that is how I saw it. I have said this many times and I'll keep saying it, this is a game, it's meant for people to have fun. If someone likes to for realistic and others don't....oh well, as long as everyone is having fun. I like killing people and staying alive at the same time, well most of the time..........see above (depends on what server I'm in) If your video was meant to be funny, haha, I get it.

[104th_Crunch]

I like the music in the vid. Dramatic. Almost as much drama as this thread :) j/k DCS:Fighter I hope, as mentioned, will make things even more tuff when it comes to flying head on to missiles.

[winchesterdelta1]

YOu kuky don't seem to get the point right.... First of all.. i never have played Hawx or even ACE Combat.. My first flight simm games are Jetfighter 2, EF2000, TAW and Falcon 4. In those games when you use "real" tactics you survive... In LOMAC when you use real tactics you die. Than you accuse me of flying alway's like that.. While its just a fun video. I know how to use "real" tactics... Not gonna work in LOMAC against virtual fighter pilots that have no fear of death and have no real working instruments like in Falcon to keep you bussy during the flight. If you look into my other vids (i don't say those are real tactics) you see most times i don't fly straight into missiles. I also like to kill the opponent and survive... Thats why i changed my tactics when flying in public servers. If you ever want to fly realisticly in LOMAC you have to set some proper rules on both sides and fly in a heavely controlled server with people you fly with alot. Second.. did i say i was flying hardcore realistic in that video?

 

You'r assuming here from 1 vid i made that i don't know how to fly. You didn't say it in words.. but thats the tone you set. What a arrogant ***** you are mister. Just like almost all youtube commenters that act like they know it all and that have all people figured out. Comming to teach me how you are suppose to play it. In gods name... what are you even look at my video if it makes you upset how people fly.

 

Third thing: You blatantly accuse me of using the game flaws on purpose.... For me thats a total insult. I don't even know Lock On FC2 that good to use the game flaws... And i alway's try to keep it fair. You keep assuming and assuming and drawing conclusions out of 1 vid. In the tone of your comments you seem to think i am a 12 year old kid. I have been reading and learning about tactics since i got TAW. Heck the TAW manual even made me learn English when i was 10. Everyday sitting on the couch with my English/Dutch Dictionary try to figure out what the hell they where talking about. No google there or a real fighter pilot that could explain me.

 

The most funny thing about this is that i was told to fly like this just before i made this vid. Cause in my ignorant way's i alway's try'd to fly as realistic as possible but alway's get shot down. If i wasn't in a ARMA2 clan for the last four years i probably would be in a fighterjet clan learning all the fine stuff you have learned. ANd that would probably not be a LOMAC clan but a Falcon clan. And to say it again.. this vid is only a moment..... You only see the crazy stuff and most entertaining parts i had.

 

 

And than you say: "try to fly as you'd normally do if it were for real... is that a fair point?"

 

Tell me. Why should i only fly like you want and not have some fun with my friends. That you like to fly realisticly all the time is your own decision... When did you get the arrogance to try and push your own virtual flying ethics on people? So to answer your question.. No thats not a fair point. If i want to fly realisticly i fly Falcon with its full dynamic campaign. This game doesn't even come close to that. I only play Lock On to have fun in fighterjets with my friends. And i like good graphics that come with this game. With this game i can have fun without going full arcade like the ACE combat series and HAWX.

 

I'm here on these forums cause i like fighterjets and to get some constructive critisism and hoping somebody might teach me a trick or 2 like Iraq outlaw. But it seems the only thing people these day's doing on the internet is bitching about somebody els its fun with sarcastic comments and critsism that will get you nowhere. Get off that high horse your sitting on Kuky.

 

 

OFFTOPIC: For some weird reason everybody thinks when reading my nickname i'm American. For some reason thats the go-ahead to start criticize everything you do. When you tell them your Dutch they all start to act alot nicer. It seems that you are behaving the same.. But i told you now so it will probably not be the case this time.

Edited December 20, 2010 by winchesterdelta1