ilikepie Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 looking good dude. you have made some good headway on it. i'll be able to distract you on Wednesday with coffee. Action After Contemplation
metalnwood Posted July 20, 2012 Author Posted July 20, 2012 Thanks Peter, I will really be smiling when I can use it :) Right now though I would prefer to be a bit closer to you. Hockenheim I think :) I will see you there pie!
Flim Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 Good job man, I used the same engraving material... I did paint flat black before final engraving to give it the right look. Buttons are the hardest and yours look awsome!
Kuky Posted July 20, 2012 Posted July 20, 2012 Can you do mine when I start buildind my own cockpit? j/k :D Looks absolutely great, I wish I get to make something like that one day! PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
metalnwood Posted July 20, 2012 Author Posted July 20, 2012 Thanks all. Kuky, I will sell you one but I don't know the price on it yet. It all depends how much I can refine the process to keep the costs down. As you can imagine having to make everything thing takes up some time so if I can get better processes that might help. Flim, I am using the ipi laser material which is e same as the rowmark lasermax you are using. I used some Weldon no.4 to glue some of the grey on to another sheet of acrylic which I then engraved and cut out. The trouble is that the black stuff is cutting really well and the grey is not. I believe this is because of the higher power I need to cut through it and the acrylic sheet it is bonded to. I am going to try it in two passes. One to get through the first layer at low power and then higher to get through the whole lot. The other alternative is to mill them after the engraving. This gave the best results of all. The buttons have come out well as they are I just want better and most people wouldn't care but if you are going to sell something...
metalnwood Posted August 27, 2012 Author Posted August 27, 2012 Right, a good day for me as it's the first time I have cut something useful from my new router. It was a real bummer selling my other one and then this taking so long to arrive. I had the privilege of starting to cut y2kiahs's plans out. As the cost of good ply is so expensive here I have gone for 18mm MDF. Not really an issue as it wont be getting wet any time soon. I did it a bit late in the day so I have almost run out of time but I will try and cut the rest tomorrow. I always liked a good 3d jigsaw puzzle and this is just the thing :)
metalnwood Posted August 27, 2012 Author Posted August 27, 2012 I started to assemble what I cut out today. It's supurb, the fit is great for the material I have which is slightly oversized so I can tap the joints in place. Exactly the kind of fit a woodworker is looking for. Of course I found there was little point in drilling and countersinking all the holes. given how they were nested to fit on the sheet some items will have been flipped in a mirror image so that the countersinking was now on the wrong side. No big deal.. Here is a quick look at the machine running.. It's not going too quickly and only cutting 1/4" at a time until I put a larger bit in it.
metalnwood Posted August 28, 2012 Author Posted August 28, 2012 I cut the rest of the parts out today and did a bit of a dry assemble. First thing. OK, this is bigger than I thought. It really is fairly large but it would be wouldnt it, full size and all. Tomorrow I can start putting it all together with some screws and glue. I might go a bit simple for the skinning and use some 0.8mm high impact plastic sheeting. Very easy to put on. My wife might have something to say when she gets home and sees I made a huge mess of dust and rubbish in one of the main areas :)
metalnwood Posted August 28, 2012 Author Posted August 28, 2012 Thanks Linden, will keep at it. Only possible issue is that the width might interfere with the portrait/landscape/portrait configuration I have with my 42" screens. The center is OK and clears the height of the pit OK but not so sure about the side monitors. I will know better what I need to do when I get it in the room and start to look at it properly.
avlolga Posted August 28, 2012 Posted August 28, 2012 wow , this going to be a beauty..... great work metalnwood, love your OMNI
metalnwood Posted August 29, 2012 Author Posted August 29, 2012 Thanks Avlolga, I am hoping it will be a beauty :) I have even been thinking about some of the 'optional extras' like painting the warthog eyes and teeth on the front section. I figured I could use my laser to cut the required 2 or 3 stencils so that I can spray on a good copy of one. Also my panels are some time from completion and I dont like the idea of looking at a barren skeleton of the pit so I reckon I will just laser out all of the panels front sections and lay them in there. There wont be all the knobs and switches working but it wont look so uncompleted. Too bad I am going to get busy for a few days so I will nip out and get the stuff I plan to skin it with so that I can do that on the weekend.
metalnwood Posted August 30, 2012 Author Posted August 30, 2012 I worked on the seat today but through operator error I mucked up one piece so I will have to wait until tomorrow to fix it, its the side piece on the other side. No bigge but stopped me fully assembling it tonight. Before anyone PM's me or asks, the seat plans are not mine and I cannot pass them on, sorry. I wont reply to anyone asking for a copy. Only issue is I think that the seat is a little too high for the pit. I have not screwed and glued the base of the pit so I think I will trim off the difference from the base parts to bring everything down a bit and get the throttle height right. I might not get to work on it for a few days. I was hoping to get the dzus rail in and put in my cdu and caution light panel just to see :)
Kuky Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 That looks very nice I must say... also if you don't put any panels for switches in there etc and just keep the frame+seat I recon that's very good base/frame for pretty much any cockpit (unless you want 100% replica of some other aircraft cockpit) Just an idea I will throw at you, do you think you could sell this (frame+seat) set of pre-cut MDF and ship to Australia... if you would and are allowed to (since planes are not made by you) PM me an estimate price? I am not in hurry as I have house being build next few months but would like to have someting like this in my cave :) PS: no biggie if you are not interested in such proposal, I understand it's lot of work PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
metalnwood Posted August 30, 2012 Author Posted August 30, 2012 Hi Kuky, I cant sell any of these as they are not based on my plans. Being in NZ, a little closer to you than that states I know the shipping for this kind of thing is astronomical and makes it uneconomical for overseas people to buy this kind of thing from me. If I thought I could make some money I may have started from scratch but as it is I was quite happy using these excellent plans for my own personal use. So sorry, I cant help out anyone with cutting out this stuff. Kuky, for less than the price of shipping from NZ to aus you should be able to find a local company with a cnc to cut the plns. they are in y2kiah's thread.
Kuky Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 No worries :) PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
Flim Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 looks really good!!! The weight of this stuff is crazy, that is why I designed cockpits without ribs etc... Hard to be the real deal , great job
Cali Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Not nice of the guy to not want other people to have the plans. i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
SimHog Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Hi Kuky, I cant sell any of these as they are not based on my plans. Being in NZ, a little closer to you than that states I know the shipping for this kind of thing is astronomical and makes it uneconomical for overseas people to buy this kind of thing from me. If I thought I could make some money I may have started from scratch but as it is I was quite happy using these excellent plans for my own personal use. So sorry, I cant help out anyone with cutting out this stuff. Kuky, for less than the price of shipping from NZ to aus you should be able to find a local company with a cnc to cut the plns. they are in y2kiah's thread. Well I just got a quote back for laser cutting Jedi's pit. Came in at just under $1k. That's supplying the MDF and dropping off and picking up so it's not cheap. With regards to selling commercially, you might want to get legal advice because I don't think anyone can claim copyright on a replica of a cockpit other than the manufacturer of said cockpit. To claim copyright your idea has to be original. AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D @4.2Ghz | MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk | ADATA XPG 64GB 6000MHz CL30 DDR5 | Team Cardea A440 Pro M.2 PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD 2TB | Sapphire NITRO+ RX 7900 XTX Vapor-X| PIMAX Crystal Light
cichlidfan Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 With regards to selling commercially, you might want to get legal advice because I don't think anyone can claim copyright on a replica of a cockpit other than the manufacturer of said cockpit. To claim copyright your idea has to be original. I am not disputing what you are saying, in the broad sense, but I do believe that someone can hold a copyright on a set of drawings. I don't have a clue how that might impact someone building something from them. However, I suspect that said copyright would provide the holder with at least some rights over distribution of the drawings as well as the commercial production of something made to the specifications detailed within them. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
metalnwood Posted August 31, 2012 Author Posted August 31, 2012 I dont want to start a debate on it in my thread to be honest. Jeff (y2kiah) has released his plans for free, thats about the best that you can ask anyone to do. All he has said is dont take his work to profit off of it. That seems fair and reasonable to me. He doesnt hold the copyright over an a10 pit but he did design a unique construction of it. I do have a friend coming around next week and I am also making him a set, not for profit, other that he supplies the beer for after. I have no problem with that and as I said, if I wanted to make money doing this then I would sit down and create my own version. I have nothing but respect for someone who puts in the effort and gives his things away for free. On the other hand I also have a lot of respect for someone that puts in the effort to producing a great product and selling it. If someone wants to sell their own work why not? I am in the same boat as the owner of the seat plans. I have plans for products that I would not give away lightly when I expected it to make some income for me. If I was making something that I did not have an intention to sell then I would give away the plans as well. If I did have an intention to sell then I would not, its as simple as protecting my work from those who might look to undercut me because they have not had to recoup costs from the effort spent doing that, by using my work. Legalities or not, I know what I will be doing and that is honoring the requests by the people who have given me their work.
cichlidfan Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 You are right. End of subject. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
SimHog Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Agreed. Back on topic, well sorta. What is a good usb controller for making custom panels? I'm looking at these one ... http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=76_81&zenid=lebi7672n8157hm3t15co4eti3 AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D @4.2Ghz | MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk | ADATA XPG 64GB 6000MHz CL30 DDR5 | Team Cardea A440 Pro M.2 PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD 2TB | Sapphire NITRO+ RX 7900 XTX Vapor-X| PIMAX Crystal Light
linden Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 I use this card: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=80201 A good card with 256 digital inputs and 13 analog inputs.
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