Tgts on map (F10) to Tgting pod

[RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING]

Fellas,

 

Ive read the manual numerous times and perhaps I just dont get it.

 

When in a non training environment and I head out into the fog of war without waypoints. I see targets in the F10 map. How can I get the pod onto those targets.

 

At this time I just put the plane over the target and stick my head out of the cockpit and acquire visually. Not so great when dealing with AA threats.

 

Thanks for your time.

 

HAWG 63

[Dynamo]

The F10 map view wouldn't normally be something the pilots have access to. So there is no 'published' way of transferring them to the pod.

 

In order to do what you want, I think one way would be to get the lat/long coords for the targets from F10 mode, then input them into the CDU as marker points.

[RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING]

I agree this magical map would not be available however thats why JSTARS and AWACS exist.

 

Thanks and Ill try the lat long. Wish I could make it MGRS.

[Cezar11]

I agree and disagree... in a RL environment, you'd be able to interrogate the awacs and jstars a little bit more than you can in this game. Also, you may have access ( or the jtac would ) to boots/eyes on the ground or other surveillance assets, I mean, the USAF isn't just going to send a multi-million dollar jet and a multi-million dollar pilot out just to "fly low and look over the side"

 

So to me, using labels or viewing this map, somewhat simulates the kind of info you would have access to in RL. Perfect? no.. but better than flying in blind and getting shot at. I mean yeah, the enemy may surprise you with a sam here or there, but your target area should be pretty well intel'd or i'm not sure you'd be going. Thoughts?

[Greb]

I like to use a bird dog. Use your wingy. He will spot targets and call them out. Let him engage a few. Where there's smoke there's fire. Center your TGP (China hat short down), then put your TGP diamond on the smoking target, start looking for things to shoot at. Once you have that first kill on the ground and he is burning and smoking you have a good reference point to fly and to from.

[S77th-konkussion]

China hat down?

[S77th-konkussion]

Hawg- what mission are you flying? Is there no briefing for you? No flightplan loaded? It's kind of hard to even begin to tell you what might be wrong.. but in any case- what you're asked for ain't gonna happen.

 

Unless there's something in that "game mode" that does this... which would be thoroughly nauseating..

Edited January 19, 2011 by S77th-konkussion

[BTTW-DratsaB]

A habit I found myself starting to use is turning on the "Sat" option in the F10 view and then using the positions of the fields and towns to get my bearings on where targets are. Also as mentioned, once a battle starts the burning wrecks are a big help.

 

I was actually annoyed with myself for keeping on having to rely on the F10 map to find targets, but until some one mentioned it here, I had totally forgotten that I used to fly LockOn with labels on. I'm glad I don't do that any more 'cause that is an immersion killer.

[Bulletstop]

I do quick missions and yes it is very hard to spot targets, however I use a technique like Greb only with the helicopters. once I start seeing kills I can usually orbit and find things to kill :). Not perfect but works for me :).

I have yet been able to tell my wingy to attack something, oh well still working on the comms.

 

 

 

Bullet

[RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING]

Thanks fellas,

 

Ill call contact on burning hulls and look for bad guys.

 

Cheers.

[Sarge55]

I agree with Cezar11, the pilot will have a map (on his kneeboard) and he / she will have int from various sources on that map. So not unrealistic to have a map or aerial photo of the AO.

Labels are a different matter though, I don't think they add to the realism, good for training to start though.

[Lindbergh]

Maybe you can assimilate the situation like if a previous recon flight has been done and then you can determinate the target coordinates in the map (F10) and create a new flight plan called "Target Plan" :music_whistling:

[Dynamo]

Don't know if a FAC would be of interest/help to you too?

 

I flew a 90 minute sortie last night using the quick mission generator. Two FACs were present for me to use. One I assume got hit by an early artillery strike since his position on the hill top was hit quite hard and couldn't get him on the radio.

 

The second FAC told me to standby, so I flew around for 20+ minutes trying to find the tanks rolling across the plains to the blue side, then all of a sudden the FAC started giving me targets - and in all he gave me about 6 seperate target groups, ranging from incoming tanks attacking friendly positions, artillery positions firing on our units, and a few IFV groups held in reserve. Probably the best mission flown so far, and it was auto generated!

 

Only issue was that the fighting was taking place 9nm from my home base, 2 Mig23 bombing runs nearly ended my flight within 3 minutes though.

 

But the FAC giving me target locations is the best method I have found so far. Don't know the stats, but in the current conflicts, but I guess having someone on the ground calling in the shots is how its done for most of the time?

[Raz_Specter]

i think there should be an option in game were you see the label but the text either doesn't show what it is or is missing so you just have a red dot.

 

This makes things a little more interesting for the pilot as he knows there are targets over there but not which kind.

 

thanks Mithandra

[Veracity]

i think there should be an option in game were you see the label but the text either doesn't show what it is or is missing so you just have a red dot.

 

This makes things a little more interesting for the pilot as he knows there are targets over there but not which kind.

 

thanks Mithandra

 

Absolutely. I was going to make a separate post regarding this subject. The text only gets in the way and needs an on/off toggle. :thumbup:

[RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING]

To Dynamo,

 

You bring up a good point and I should have mentioned this. JTACs overseas, especially when in TIC (troops in contact) are pushed aircraft and so the pilot comes in with no SA (situational awarness).

 

Like the sim JTAC will offer cardinal directions but can also offer an estimate grid. Thus with an MGRS (military grid reference system) grid we should be able to pop that grid into the pod and have it slew to the grid.

 

This is becoming a great thread. For greater info on jtacs anyone can download on google (JOINT PUBLICATION 3-09.3) and use this manual with J-FIRES.

 

HAWG 63

[PhoenixBvo]

i think there should be an option in game were you see the label but the text either doesn't show what it is or is missing so you just have a red dot.

 

Well, you can. LUA editing, I forgot exactly which file, but it was posted on the Black Shark forum a long time ago. It allows different appearance of labels at different ranges for several unit categories.

 

Ah here you are: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=662452&postcount=10

 

But I agree with previous posters that any form of label usage is not realistic and an immersion killer. You could use it for training purposes I suppose, just don't get used to them too much. You'll have trouble when flying online.

[Druid_]

The ME brief is lacking in the amount of detail a mission builder can provide. Its possible however for mission builders to provide a mission with all of the necessary intel, you just need to include the mission and the briefs in a zip file. The brief should ideally include a .pdf with all of the mission info including intel pictures and maps etc.

 

I have something I am pulling together and will post it up soon. It will include; Satellite pics of target area, Route map, attack run(s) maps and a knee board quickglance mission brief as well as the brief from the DCS Mission screen.

[PhoenixBvo]

That would be awesome! I totally agree with you that's how missions should be briefed. Can't wait for your post!