MISSILE EVASION (lots of feedback please!)

[HOKUM52]

I think this is the best missile evasion thread btw

I could go on all day with questions so just one or two more

1. It seems to me that the Su-27's TWS mode can't lock two targets at once (like F-15) Is its radar not as powerful or intense :S ?

2.SAM launch from the ground ! i guess because these missiles are ground based they gonna have more range, and obviously the best way to avoid the danger is to use the terrain but say you come over a rigde and ones staring you in the face whats the best way to avoid them. i supose notching would be no good?

oh and 3. what is your avatar picture of asparagin? lol

[aaron886]

1) Run away.

2) Don't get blown up.

[GGTharos]

The Su-27S' radar (the one modeled in the game) can't lock onto two of anything. The Su-27SM might designate multiple targets for RVV-AE, but the Su-27S can only attack a single target at a time ... in STT mode. It's TWS mode is an situational awareness tool, not a weapons deployment tool. The Su-27S has no weapons that can work with TWS, anyway.

 

If you run into a SAM like you described, you're done. Either know where they are ahead of time, or fly high so that you can detect them before you are inside lethal range.

 

I think this is the best missile evasion thread btw

I could go on all day with questions so just one or two more

1. It seems to me that the Su-27's TWS mode can't lock two targets at once (like F-15) Is its radar not as powerful or intense :S ?

2.SAM launch from the ground ! i guess because these missiles are ground based they gonna have more range, and obviously the best way to avoid the danger is to use the terrain but say you come over a rigde and ones staring you in the face whats the best way to avoid them. i supose notching would be no good?

oh and 3. what is your avatar picture of asparagin? lol

[FLANKERATOR]

I think this is the best missile evasion thread btw

I could go on all day with questions so just one or two more

1. It seems to me that the Su-27's TWS mode can't lock two targets at once (like F-15) Is its radar not as powerful or intense :S ?

2.SAM launch from the ground ! i guess because these missiles are ground based they gonna have more range, and obviously the best way to avoid the danger is to use the terrain but say you come over a rigde and ones staring you in the face whats the best way to avoid them. i supose notching would be no good?

oh and 3. what is your avatar picture of asparagin? lol

 

Su-27/33 does not carry active missiles in FC2 and like GG said, TWS for Su's and MiG's in FC2 is not more than a situational awareness tool, you will have to go STT to fire anyways. Maybe we will see RVV-AE's along with TWS full mode on Flankers in a hypothetical upcoming DCS:Su-30/35.

 

Re the second question, I strongly recommend you to fly at medium/high altitude as much as you can and avoid at all costs getting the bad habit of flying low and sneaking behind hills which is definitely a bad habit as it wont let you work on your BVR skills plus the fact that it will make you an easy target most of the time.

[Pilotasso]

The Mig-29SMT is a more likely chance to get multi targeting ability to the red side than any advanced flanker Im afraid.

[dooom]

Here's a little video of some training that Vigil gave me on notching the aim120 Spamram.

 

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Great info in this thread already, but i find a visual so you can see what the missile is doing really demonstrates how an active will reaquire/go ballistic etc.

[FLANKERATOR]

The Su-33 pilot has big ones...but that didn't save him at the end. Good notch demonstration, the drawback as shown in this video is that you have to give up the lock when notching which is suicidal inside a Flanker in a 1vs1 environment.

[dooom]

yeah I agree - I was the su33 pilot in that vid but what it really taught me was how and when to initiate the notch/missile beam. This dramatically increased my survivability online where most engagements have some mountainous terrain to dive into while beaming and hide/ come around in EOS for a vertical scan lock/launch with ET/73

 

This terrain in the video was flat as heck so very hard for a su33 pilot to press an attack against a f15. note that he barely (and I mean BARELY) avoided my 73 launch.

 

Once I was able to wrap my head around the radar notch and missile beam, my life expectancy went waaaay up. plenty of mistakes in the video but good for illustration.

[FLANKERATOR]

Good fight indeed. I think that the only way to get a chance against a good F-15 pilot in FC2 in 1on1 beside using mountains and baiting him into CiC, is to take more risks at the right moment, and you will have to dodge in close the amraams sooner or later. The challenge comes from the fact that on a Sukhoi you have to keep the lock and in a MiG overcome the fact that you will be in his NEZ few seconds before he got into yours. The F-15 has big advantage in 1vs1 engagement in FC2.

Edited February 6, 2011 by FLANKERATOR

[Sulman]

What the video emphasises is the respect shown to missile warnings. I find myself evading the first shot without problems, and pressing the second whilst returning my own. Giving up SA is so costly though; I'm terrified of doing it. I don't think I'm alone in this, as my first flights online resulted in a few 1:1 kills once within 20km.

[DarkFire]

Choose your words wisely... ;)

 

It's not an "amateur error", it's a concession to the fact that the missile model was developed with a flight model and hardware capacity where a lot of concessions had to be made. Basically, the hardware required a certain level of simplification in the model, and simply adding platform velocity to the missile at launch would in this case cause UFO's to happen.

 

The missile flight model will be updated/replaced in due time with a future DCS product.

 

Eh, perhaps I spoke in haste. My bad :notworthy: However, given that the feature appeared to have been modelled in LOMAC and apparently FC1, it does seem a... strange... omission to make.

 

Ah well. It certainly doesn't detract from my enjoyment of FC2.

[EtherealN]

Appearances can be deceiving. ;)

Platform velocity was not removed in FC2 development. It wasn't there in LOMAC or FC1 either.

[asparagin]

OT but interesting:

 

I've been confronted in the last days with a different notch. Found the comparison funny, and thought I share it with you:

Wife did a Doppler Ultrasound examination:

You can check the blood flow in veins with this method. Anyways in the 2nd pic you can see how a notch of the bloodflow looks like. First pic is a short description on how it works.

 

 

[Frostie]

well i think 'whys it called beaming seemed to be the toughest question 4 u guys!.

I think thats been explained pretty simply already with the nautical term - abeam. Its the aspect of one aircraft to another, when an aircraft is beaming you he is at a right angle to the you, between 70-110 deg.

 

This is just a current state of flight, but while he is beaming you its possible for him to slip into the notch and drop off your radar. He does this by being at the optimum aspect to give as close to +/-0 speed towards/away from you so as your radar rejects him.

 

Beaming is a basic maneuver. Notching is a defensive maneuver.