full MOD support for LOCKON

[prok]

Hi guys!

We need your opinion about full MOD support on the next versions of LOCKON (Not DCS).

added: we need SDK release only, no any patch needed.

Full MOD support means possibility to add new crafts and cockpits and other additions (not just file replace, but real addition) in the capacity of unofficial community builds, developed by the players for the players.

Link for voting:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=67022

A little translation help:

ДА - YES

НЕТ - NO

Edited February 14, 2011 by prok

[RIPTIDE]

I vote Da, Komrade. :)

[104th_Crunch]

Next version of Lock On?!?! Whhy would you think there will be one?

[prok]

I vote Da, Komrade. :)

 

:thumbup:

 

Next version of Lock On?!?! Whhy would you think there will be one?

 

Well, not new LOCKON, just next patch for FC2 will be released in the future.

Edited February 9, 2011 by prok

[Boberro]

Well, not new LOCKON, just next patch for FC2 will be released in the future.

 

Where that information comes from?

[GGTharos]

There is no patch planned for FC2 that I know of.

[EtherealN]

Chinese whispers via PC Gamer US? :P

[rattler]

There is no patch planned for FC2 that I know of.

 

Well lets say you have made that very clear in the past and most of us know and understand ED's position.

 

However, yes there is an however as stupid as I am to get into this.

 

Am I the only one that sees the benefits of keeping FC2 updated or at least supported by the community. DCS is a very nice, well ok great simulator, but it takes a lot of time to produce a module as we have now witnessed with the KA-50 and now the A-10. There is a fan base that by the time we see a fighter in DCS, we will be at the end of our flight sim. careers for want of a better word. I watched a program on the Military Channel the other nite about the A10 and Iraqi. It is extremely difficult to maintain SA was the line of thought in this program, when pilots are in combat. The A10 and I will also say the KA50, is saturation overload in combat. This was agreed upon by ex military pilots who flew the A10. Now back to us. How real do we need these sims. to be? FC2 fills a gap very nicely and is still today the choice of the Virtual Aerobatic Teams as well as those who fly the fast moving fighters. I would say that as of today FC2 still has no equal. This should be supported by at least the community and in my own humble opinion ED, as well. I am sure it still generates revenue, although not what ED would deem sufficient to continue with. So the short of it is, as a community at least lets see FC2 supported by our modders who do fantastic work. That's it folks. My long 2 cents worth.

 

rattler

[104th_Crunch]

Nice thoughts Rattler, but why not just use DCS with easy avionics, easy flight model on etc? Also, as we all know, and I post almost everyday :) FC2 patch = longer wait for next DCS module, which many of us hope will be a fighter. FC2 planes based on Lock On that came out in 2005. Time to move on IMO.

 

There are bad bugs in FC2 though that I wish were not there. It is too bad they we not squashed with the last patch.

[rattler]

Nice thoughts Rattler, but why not just use DCS with easy avionics, easy flight model on etc? Also, as we all know, and I post almost everyday :) FC2 patch = longer wait for next DCS module, which many of us hope will be a fighter. FC2 planes based on Lock On that came out in 2005. Time to move on IMO.

 

There are bad bugs in FC2 though that I wish were not there. It is too bad they we not squashed with the last patch.

 

Hi crunch:

 

Nice idea, I could go for that. I don't want it to easy though. I will use FalconAf for an example: has ramp start. Well I think you will find that after a short while of waiting 10min. before you can move a/c that most Falconners either start at taxi, button on runway or in the air. what is important is the MFD clickable pit for combat. Also realistic FM once in the air.lol. I am not sure how long it takes to get the KA50 off the ground but to me this is the area that could be more easier. Does this make since?:)

 

rattler

[fitness88]

I thought this might be appropriate to share:

 

Subject: MIG-29S in Flaming Cliffs 2

Owner - (fitness88) fitness 88

Created - 02.02.2011 16:28:14

Updated - 08.02.2011 12:02:49

Category - General

Priority - Normal

======================= MESSAGE ===================================

Thank you for reporting. If we will make patch for Flaming Cliffs 2 one day, we will check what is wrong with the sonic boom sound and the machmeter.

Please accept my sincere apologies for a delay with the answer.

 

Also what is the difference between ED, DCS and Locon?

 

Thank you.

 

 

[manfrez01]

ДА - YES

[EtherealN]

Well I think you will find that after a short while of waiting 10min. before you can move a/c that most Falconners either start at taxi, button on runway or in the air.

 

LWin-Home

 

what is important is the MFD clickable pit for combat. Also realistic FM once in the air.lol.

 

If that's the important bits, then why would you want ED to waste time on another FC release? Those things are exactly what DCS has, and what FC2 simply cannot have. (Okey, exception for the Su25 Flight model, it's pretty good even though even that isn't DCS level.)

 

I am not sure how long it takes to get the KA50 off the ground

 

Roughly 60 seconds. A bit more if you're out of practice. (Admittedly, that's not the "right way" to do it, since you are not giving the APU it's rest-time between the engines and so on, but that would only cause wear over time which isn't simulated.)

 

So no, I'm afraid I don't feel you are making sense. You are advocating spending resources on an old product, and your arguments are based on wanting things that that product doesn't have and cannot have. That's the opposite of making sense.

Edited February 10, 2011 by EtherealN

[EtherealN]

Also what is the difference betweenED, DCS and Locon?

 

ED = Eagle Dynamics, the moscow-based company that has developed LockOn, FC2, and DCS (as well as the pre-LockOn Flanker series).

 

Lock On = A survey simulator developed by Eagle Dynamics.

 

DCS / Digital Combat Simulator = A study simulator series developed by Eagle Dynamics.

[Boberro]

Well lets say you have made that very clear in the past and most of us know and understand ED's position.

 

However, yes there is an however as stupid as I am to get into this.

 

Am I the only one that sees the benefits of keeping FC2 updated or at least supported by the community. DCS is a very nice, well ok great simulator, but it takes a lot of time to produce a module as we have now witnessed with the KA-50 and now the A-10. There is a fan base that by the time we see a fighter in DCS, we will be at the end of our flight sim. careers for want of a better word. I watched a program on the Military Channel the other nite about the A10 and Iraqi. It is extremely difficult to maintain SA was the line of thought in this program, when pilots are in combat. The A10 and I will also say the KA50, is saturation overload in combat. This was agreed upon by ex military pilots who flew the A10. Now back to us. How real do we need these sims. to be? FC2 fills a gap very nicely and is still today the choice of the Virtual Aerobatic Teams as well as those who fly the fast moving fighters. I would say that as of today FC2 still has no equal. This should be supported by at least the community and in my own humble opinion ED, as well. I am sure it still generates revenue, although not what ED would deem sufficient to continue with. So the short of it is, as a community at least lets see FC2 supported by our modders who do fantastic work. That's it folks. My long 2 cents worth.

 

rattler

 

I agree mostly.

 

Nice thoughts Rattler, but why not just use DCS with easy avionics, easy flight model on etc? Also, as we all know, and I post almost everyday :) FC2 patch = longer wait for next DCS module, which many of us hope will be a fighter. FC2 planes based on Lock On that came out in 2005. Time to move on IMO.

 

There are bad bugs in FC2 though that I wish were not there. It is too bad they we not squashed with the last patch.

 

I agree also but making DCS plane is so slow... that FC support would fill gap.

[Sulman]

I think when it comes to SA and actually flying and fighting, FC2 and DCS are not that different - although I do not own A-10 (will buy on release).

 

Learning to actually fly the shark is the tricky bit - systems management really isn't difficult at all once you know the basics. I get the shark 'ready to go' on the landing pad after startup, and after that don't do much in the way of switchology at all, apart from datalink work (and even that is just dropping targets onto my own ABRIS screen).

 

The odd forays I take into fighters and the Frogs confirm one thing: There is nothing 'easy' about FC2. Every platform requires a mega amount of effort and experience to fight in.

 

F4 is the same - you can fly it just like a LO/FC2 jet if you want. Combat effectiveness and SA are more about understanding how the platform fits into the simulated environment.

[rattler]

Hi guy's

 

well I will not try to be long with this. If time was not spent on the start up clickablility of the cockpit to get airborne, how much time would be saved?(not giving a short way of doing this because this compounds the problem). I don't know but I am sure time could be picked up here for more important things. Do the basics as in FC2 and put much need resources on the MFD, combat and FM and Missels etc., development. Fc2 is fast movers and it will be a long time before we see a fast mover in DCS unless ED has a military contract.

 

So to say FC2 does not fill a gap is incorrect. It certainly does.

 

We always come back to ED resources, which are limited as we all have been told. The only fighter sim. ED has is FC2 older or not. Does a great job.Not fancy with clickable pit but don't sell it short.

 

We all know how long it takes to get Falcon up in the air from ramp start and I am sure KA50 and the A10 will be no different. Not sec's.

 

Now for god sake don't think this is a shot at ED, it is not. They have done a great job with DCS and the lockon series. I expect that will never change in coming modules but let's face it, to produce a module takes a very long time, longer if no outside contract. Understandable, they have to stay in business and god knows we don't want to lose them. You all mention A10 is out but really, it is not. It is a beta version, that the community is testing for ED. Am I wrong? Ka50 still has bug issues to address and outside contracts presents us with a long waiting period for next module what ever it will be.

 

Could 3rd person outsourcing or even providing plug-ins for FC2 fill a much needed gap. Well only ED can answer that. No I am not asking just throwing some ideas out. ED is the company and these are their products. However it does not stop the consumer about, at least thinking of these things. Hence the threads. Ok sorry, I meant to keep it short. The end.

 

rattler

[combatace]

Hi guy's

 

well I will not try to be long with this. If time was not spent on the start up clickablility of the cockpit to get airborne, how much time would be saved?(not giving a short way of doing this because this compounds the problem). I don't know but I am sure time could be picked up here for more important things. Do the basics as in FC2 and put much need resources on the MFD, combat and FM and Missels etc., development. Fc2 is fast movers and it will be a long time before we see a fast mover in DCS unless ED has a military contract.

 

So to say FC2 does not fill a gap is incorrect. It certainly does.

 

We always come back to ED resources, which are limited as we all have been told. The only fighter sim. ED has is FC2 older or not. Does a great job.Not fancy with clickable pit but don't sell it short.

 

We all know how long it takes to get Falcon up in the air from ramp start and I am sure KA50 and the A10 will be no different. Not sec's.

 

Now for god sake don't think this is a shot at ED, it is not. They have done a great job with DCS and the lockon series. I expect that will never change in coming modules but let's face it, to produce a module takes a very long time, longer if no outside contract. Understandable, they have to stay in business and god knows we don't want to lose them. You all mention A10 is out but really, it is not. It is a beta version, that the community is testing for ED. Am I wrong? Ka50 still has bug issues to address and outside contracts presents us with a long waiting period for next module what ever it will be.

 

Could 3rd person outsourcing or even providing plug-ins for FC2 fill a much needed gap. Well only ED can answer that. No I am not asking just throwing some ideas out. ED is the company and these are their products. However it does not stop the consumer about, at least thinking of these things. Hence the threads. Ok sorry, I meant to keep it short. The end.

 

rattler

 

There are some guys who have reverse engineered the sim but won't reveal it or may be something else. But if you can get to them you might see FC2 as DCS all in one.

[GGTharos]

You will most definitely not.

[rattler]

There are some guys who have reverse engineered the sim but won't reveal it or may be something else. But if you can get to them you might see FC2 as DCS all in one.

 

I would say it might have to do with the Ubisoft envolvement with Lockon, whether it extends to FC2, I guess only ED could answer that.

 

Nice to know info though, thanks.

 

rattler

[rattler]

You will most definitely not.

 

I think that's a given, hee hee. That's a not go there subject.:D

[GGTharos]

Legality aside, DCS and FC2 have diverged quite a bit.

[rattler]

Legality aside, DCS and FC2 have diverged quite a bit.

 

Agreed. I don't want to put you on the spot so if you don't answer, it's ok.

 

now this is for FC2. Could we se 3rd party involvement or plug-ins released to let modders at least do something with pits a FM. that would be contingent on FC being declared EOL of course. cheers. G. that's it from me.:thumbup:

[GGTharos]

No, I don't think that would be the case, nor do I think it would make any sense at all. That's all I can say.

[rattler]

No, I don't think that would be the case, nor do I think it would make any sense at all. That's all I can say.

 

Thanks G, appreciated. Have a great day.

 

rattler