Mik75 Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) Hi! I have a question concerning the shooting at more than one target in one run. Let's say I am 10 nm away from a group of 4 tanks that are moving slowly and quite close to eachother. I'd like to use Mavericks and the TGP for assistance. I've seen a video on YouTube where the pilot designated the tanks as markpoints (A to D) through the TGP, made up a new flightplan with those 4 points and as he overflew the tanks, he quickly switched the steerpoints and dropped the bombs. Is something similar possible with Mavericks, what would be the best method for it and if you could give me a brief explanation of the single nessecary steps, I'd be very thankful! Edited February 19, 2011 by Mik75 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Greets, Michael
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nomdeplume Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 Mark points are stationary, so not much use against movers unless they're moving moving very slowly. With Mavericks, they have a 'quick draw' capability, whereby when you fire off one, the next one will automate seek to the same position as the one you just fired. I find it best to acquire the first target with the TGP, and know which order you're going to engage targets in (e.g. left to right, right to left, top to bottom, ...). Make the TGP the SPI, switch to Maverick, CHINA HAT FWD LONG to slew all to the SPI, and once your Maverick seeker is over the target, use TMS UP SHORT to lock it. Once it's locked, fire the Maverick, and the next one will cue to the same position. You'll probably want to hit CHINA HAT FWD SHORT to use the narrow field of view which will make it a bit easier to pick out the target. Then just slew the Maverick seeker over the next target in your list, once it's locked, fire, and rinse and repeat until you're either out of Mavericks, out of targets, or too close. It's hard to acquire targets with the Mav due to the limited resolution of the seeker, but it's fairly easy to pick out the next blob when you know what you're looking at. 1
Mik75 Posted February 19, 2011 Author Posted February 19, 2011 Ok, thanks for the answer. Let me sum it up: I lock the first target with TGP, switch to Maverick seeker, slew it to the TGP position, fire and then seek and lock the other targets with the Maverick only? That sounds good but as if a lot of practice was needed! ;-) Do you change the slew value in the Maverick seeker for that purpose? Because to me, it seems as if it reacts a little nervous sometimes. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Greets, Michael
nomdeplume Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 I normally don't change the slew speed of the Mav since I have the sensitivity of my slew control reduced, but it definitely doesn't hurt. I only reduce it if I'm using Mav slewing for an extended period of time (e.g. trying to search for targets with the Maverick).
Smudooo Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 i always change my value to "2". works a lot better for me. u also need a stable flight. dont move your stick to much while slewing around.
Mik75 Posted February 19, 2011 Author Posted February 19, 2011 Thank you guys! I´ll give it a try tonight! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Greets, Michael
mic1184 Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) i always change my value to "2". works a lot better for me. u also need a stable flight. dont move your stick to much while slewing around. yep thats what i do at every ramp start since doing the mav training mission (in which they also reduce slew speed to 2). i also set EQ on immediately. any reason you shouldn't do that and bother with the waypoint or time auto-ON settings? i don't think it needs a lot of practice. Mav's are the easiest weapon to deploy by far. Unless they go dumb (break lock) which never happened in DCS W so far to me. They're the most expensive, too. ($100,000+ apiece) which doesnt matter in the game either Edited February 19, 2011 by mic1184 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] MB: DFI Lanparty UT P35-T2R CPU: Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 @ 3,6 GHz @ 1,328V VGA: MSI GTX460 HAWK @ 850/1700/1000 MHz MFCD: Eizo S2231 22" S-PVA RAM: A-Data Vitesta 2 x 2048 MB @ 960 MHz FLT EQPM: Saitek X-52 Pro, TrackIR 5
Weaponz248 Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 i also set EQ on immediately. any reason you shouldn't do that and bother with the waypoint or time auto-ON settings? Im going to assume you mean EO and not EQ and I am not sure if it is modeled in game or not but in R/L MAVS can only be on for about 30 mins before they "burn" up. So proper procedure would be to run them up on the ground to verify they work(with TGMs) or once in flight run them up and then turn them off until you need them AKA contacting JTAC I normally turn them on.
Sinky Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 Im going to assume you mean EO and not EQ and I am not sure if it is modeled in game or not but in R/L MAVS can only be on for about 30 mins before they "burn" up. So proper procedure would be to run them up on the ground to verify they work(with TGMs) or once in flight run them up and then turn them off until you need them AKA contacting JTAC I normally turn them on. I think it is modeled, I've had warnings on both MFD's saying something along the lines of "EO Time" which went away as soon as I switched the EO off. Guess if I kept it running longer I would have toasted the mavs. Maybe the warning is modeled but the heat issue is not, I like to believe it is though. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ASUS M4A785D-M Pro | XFX 650W XXX | AMD Phenom II X4 B55 Black Edition 3.2ghz | 4GB Corsair XMS2 DHX 800mhz | XFX HD 5770 1GB @ 850/1200 | Windows 7 64bit | Logitech G35 | Logitech Mx518 | TrackIR 4 My TrackIR Profile ( Speed 1.2 / Smooth 30 ) - Right click & save as.
nomdeplume Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 I think only the warning is. I've had them on for 60+ minutes without problems.
BTTW-DratsaB Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 ^ same here. Specs: GA-Z87X-UD3H, i7-4770k, 16GB, RTX2060, SB AE-5, 750watt Corsair PSU, X52, Track IR4, Win10x64. Sim Settings: Textures: ? | Scenes: ? |Water: ? | Visibility Range: ? | Heat Blur: ? | Shadows: ? | Res: 1680x1050 | Aspect: 16:10 | Monitors: 1 Screen | MSAA: ? | Tree Visibility: ? | Vsync: On | Mirrors: ? | Civ Traffic: High | Res Of Cockpit Disp: 512 | Clutter: ? | Fullscreen: On
RodBorza Posted February 19, 2011 Posted February 19, 2011 Same here. I only press ACK on the lower right and that's it. This is an amazing sim! 'Nuff said!:pilotfly: YouTube: SloppyDog
RodBorza Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Hi! I have a question concerning the shooting at more than one target in one run. Let's say I am 10 nm away from a group of 4 tanks that are moving slowly and quite close to eachother. I'd like to use Mavericks and the TGP for assistance. I've seen a video on YouTube where the pilot designated the tanks as markpoints (A to D) through the TGP, made up a new flightplan with those 4 points and as he overflew the tanks, he quickly switched the steerpoints and dropped the bombs. Is something similar possible with Mavericks, what would be the best method for it and if you could give me a brief explanation of the single nessecary steps, I'd be very thankful! I think you can do that with Mavericks as well, but only for statioonary targets. That's something I have to test myself but at this moment I cannot. I'm away from my beautifully DCS installed, A-10 /HOTAS equipped computer :cry:. What you can do is as follows: for each target create a Mark Point with TMS Right Short while using the TGP. After that you can create a new Flight Plan as you saw in the You Tube videos. Then, do as follows: 1) With TMS Aft Long you make the Steerpoint your SPI (page 85 of the manual); 2) China Hat Forward Long to slave all to the waypoint (in this case a target previously marked as markpoint). Then it is a matter of only locking the MAV and fire. 3) Then select the next waypoint and do it again. What I did not have the chance to test is if you can do all of this without having to resort to the creation of a new flight plan. I think it is possible to store the markpoints with the TGP as above, then going to the Auxiliary Avionics Panel next to the CDU (page 166 of the manual) and changing the Steerpoint knob to Mark. Now you can rotate through all markpoints. To attack the targets you do as above. I think it will work and you won't have to create a new Flight Plan.:thumbup: If it works, please let us know. :pilotfly: This is an amazing sim! 'Nuff said!:pilotfly: YouTube: SloppyDog
Eddie Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 What I did not have the chance to test is if you can do all of this without having to resort to the creation of a new flight plan. I think it is possible to store the markpoints with the TGP as above, then going to the Auxiliary Avionics Panel next to the CDU (page 166 of the manual) and changing the Steerpoint knob to Mark. Now you can rotate through all markpoints. To attack the targets you do as above. I think it will work and you won't have to create a new Flight Plan.:thumbup: If it works, please let us know. :pilotfly: Yes you can do this. And not only can you do it, it's the way you should be doing it. There is absolutely no need to create a flight plan for any other reason than you intend to fly it. Oh, and there is also no need to use the AAP dial, pressing function 8 on the UFC will switch to mark, the same as function 7 will swich to flight plan and function 9 switches to mission mode. 1
Apples Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Moving tanks: CBU-97's I don't know what beta your flying but The beta 4 that we have we can not use CBU's. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 6 Monitors, 5 Video Cards, 90inch Flat Screen, Intel Bad Ass 2 @ 72.6Ghz, Atari Hotas!!!
RodBorza Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 Yes you can do this. And not only can you do it, it's the way you should be doing it. There is absolutely no need to create a flight plan for any other reason than you intend to fly it. Oh, and there is also no need to use the AAP dial, pressing function 8 on the UFC will switch to mark, the same as function 7 will swich to flight plan and function 9 switches to mission mode. Eddie..man...best answer ever! I watched all those videos on YouTube of guys dropping multiple JDAMs on multiple targets and thought:"that's cool" However...a little bit cumbersome with a new flight plan and all... It's a shame I can't test it right now, but I will in the future (maybe in Beta 6...oppsss..sorry for pressing you guys...:D) And thanks for the tip on the UFC. It's a powerful tool, literally right in front of us, and we don't use it. Too much concentration on the CDU. Have to think more as a fighter pilot...:joystick: This is an amazing sim! 'Nuff said!:pilotfly: YouTube: SloppyDog
Mik75 Posted February 20, 2011 Author Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Thanks a lot, mates! That sounds good, I will try this out tonight and will let you know if it worked for me! Greets , Michael P.S.: One more question concerning the steerpoint and the SPI: I always used China Hat Fwd long to slew the TGP to the steerpoint, is that wrong? Because RodBorza mentioned TMS Aft long for making the steerpoint my SPI. Edited February 20, 2011 by Mik75 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Greets, Michael
159th_Viper Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 P.S.: One more question concerning the steerpoint and the SPI: I always used China Hat Fwd long to slew the TGP to the steerpoint, is that wrong? Not wrong - your understanding might be, though. China Hat Fwd Long slaves your SOI to the SPI. Now dependant on your procedures, that might or might not be the current Steerpoint. Because RodBorza mentioned TMS Aft long for making the steerpoint my SPI. As for TMS Aft Long, yeah - it sets SPI to current steerpoint. As you can see, two completely different procedures and as such not comparable. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
nomdeplume Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 I always used China Hat Fwd long to slew the TGP to the steerpoint, is that wrong? Viper explained this well, but I just wanted to mention that China Hat Aft Long will slew the TGP (and nothing else) to the current steerpoint, regardless of what the SPI is, or what the SOI is. Also... China Hat Fwd Long slaves all sensors to the SPI, not just the current SOI.
Mik75 Posted February 20, 2011 Author Posted February 20, 2011 I got that difference, seems logical! :) And now, to make my confusion complete: I´m trying to use HOTAS exclusively now, but I started off with using the keyboard. Remember, I´m just newbie who´s probably trying to learn a little too much in a very short time... :smilewink:) I always used the "V" key to slew my Maverick seeker to the SPI set by the TGP. And I used the "C" key to center the Maverick seeker. Which are the correct HOTAS commands for those? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Greets, Michael
nomdeplume Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 V = HOTAS China Hat Fwd. C = HOTAS China Hat Aft. So V (long) is 'china hat fwd long', i.e. slave all sensors to the SPI. Which is correct for getting the Maverick to point to whatever the TGP is pointing at (so long as the TGP is the SPI). C (short) is 'china hat aft short' which re-cages/centers/etc. the current SOI. So.. if you're using those keys you're already using the correct HOTAS commands.
Mik75 Posted February 20, 2011 Author Posted February 20, 2011 Thank you, so I got that right! I want to use the HOTAS (X 52 at the moment) only and, as far as possible, not touching the keyboard again. But it's really getting better every day, not at least due to your fantastic support! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Greets, Michael
Mik75 Posted February 20, 2011 Author Posted February 20, 2011 Here´s my feedback: It works! Perfect! No need for setting up a flightplan, just switch to Markpoints and here we go! Thanks a lot! :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Greets, Michael
Mugenjin Posted February 20, 2011 Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) It's a Beta4 issue. Wait for the next Beta. Could also possibly related to another issue, so to be safe you should create markpoints while ranging with the laser to get more accurate markpoints. Limit is something like 10 km though. To check the markpoints you could also switch the AAP dial to markpoints and then slave TGP to STP or slave all to SPI while STP is SPI. Edited February 20, 2011 by Mugenjin 1
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