Maverick in Force Correlate

[negrete]

Hi guys

 

Has anybody managed to use the mavs K and G in that mode in the final release cause for me its imposible to enable it presing boat switch center, if used both hotas and keybord no success.

 

If somebody knows a solution or knows what might be the problem ill be glad to hear cause I love to blow up Bunkers with the big mavs.

[NoJoe]

Negrete,

 

I was having some trouble too, but then I checked in the manual. The step I was missing is that you have to ground stabilize the Mav with the Boat switch centered. Then it will be in force correlate mode. The steps per the manual are here:

 

1. Boat switch in center position

2. Slew the Mav near the target (either manually or using the TGP as SPI)

3. Ground stabilize (TMS Aft Short).

4. Slew the Mav onto the target. The tracking gates will fully close and the pointing cross will go steady.

5. "Rifle!"

:D

 

Hope this helps ya!

 

--NoJoe

[negrete]

Yes if tried to ground stabilize a lot of times and no luck going to try exactly as you say. I remember in beta 2 it was easy but have you tried in this release?

 

Ok if tried what you told me and I can fire the Mav but it dosent seem to work really well you cant stay and move the slew in force correlate and point it were you want it stays in FC like 1 second and the returns to normal without touching anything. I remember in beta 2 you entered FC mod and you had like a sniper crosshair you point th mav were you want and release it.

 

Now im unable to enter that mode is that normal?

Edited February 24, 2011 by negrete

[159th_Viper]

You are probably having a wee bit of difficulty with the seeker capturing the correct seeker picture for FC mode to function correctly. With the limited FOV of the MAV seeker I try and get close, ie launch from 5nm is usually good:

 

 

1 - Set SPI with TGP in vicinity of target to aid in target acquisition

 

2 - Select appropriate Mav's (G/K)

 

3 - Slave Mav seeker to SPI

 

4 - Boat switch to centre

 

5 - Slew to target and once desired target picture is obtained (cross-hairs over target), release slew.

 

 

 

If the 'Scene Picture' is captured properly by the Mav seeker, the tracking gate will collapse fully and you can launch.

 

Also important to note that if step 5 does not result in the desired target picture (ie wrong building/Scene pic inadequate - collapsed tracking gate will drift), then the steps have to be attended to from Step #1 - #4 again to properly employ the ordinance in FC Tracking mode.

 

When attending to step #5, advisable to play around with your slew setting to aid in accuracy as you have one chance to collapse the gate when the slew is released. As said, if released too early/late, you'll have to attend to the entire process again.

 

 

 

Herewith track prosecuting an Ammunition Bunker - Hope it helps:

 

[ATTACH]48066[/ATTACH]

Edited February 24, 2011 by 159th_Viper
Error rectified

[negrete]

ok thanks loads viper now I understand.:lol::lol:

 

So its quite a challenge to use force correlate now on targets at a far away distance have to train more on the subject.

 

Thanks a lot

 

Hi again viper im having loads of trouble still with the force correlate im using the slew of the hotas warthog and the slew of the key board and no chance to use this mode in a decent way.

 

Ill explain the problem is that even if you folow all the guide exactly, if you use the slew of the keyboard and you have to move the maveric up and left you have to realease the slew a second and have to start again, same happens to slew in the warthog it isnt perfect so if you must adjust a bit you lose it again. Another big problem is that you have to recenter the boat switch again in the hotas.

 

If you see this video:

 

When he enters the force correlate mod he stays in it and slews to the objective and launches. I now the video is from a beta but then want mod is more realistic cause this is suposed to be a precison use of maverics and in the actual way is much more reliable to just lock in normal mode.

 

Sorry for the trouble the game is excelent in every way but id love to figure out all this mav correlate thing cause its one thing Id like to implement in mi missions.

Edited February 26, 2011 by negrete

[goldfinger35]

 

Hi again viper im having loads of trouble still with the force correlate im using the slew of the hotas warthog and the slew of the key board and no chance to use this mode in a decent way.

 

Ill explain the problem is that even if you folow all the guide exactly, if you use the slew of the keyboard and you have to move the maveric up and left you have to realease the slew a second and have to start again, same happens to slew in the warthog it isnt perfect so if you must adjust a bit you lose it again. Another big problem is that you have to recenter the boat switch again in the hotas.

 

If you see this video:

 

When he enters the force correlate mod he stays in it and slews to the objective and launches. I now the video is from a beta but then want mod is more realistic cause this is suposed to be a precison use of maverics and in the actual way is much more reliable to just lock in normal mode.

 

 

I can't seem to get it, too.

In that video he manages to go to force correlate mode and stay there while slewing.

[159th_Viper]

Ill explain the problem is that even if you folow all the guide exactly, if you use the slew of the keyboard and you have to move the maveric up and left you have to realease the slew a second and have to start again, same happens to slew in the warthog it isnt perfect so if you must adjust a bit you lose it again. Another big problem is that you have to recenter the boat switch again in the hotas.

 

As I stated, reduce your slew speed and it gets a lot easier - Takes practice. If the Maverick seeker fails to capture an adequate scene picture then unfortunately you will then have to 'reset' and try again.

 

 

 

 

If you see this video:

 

Lot of things wrong with that vid - Early Beta :)

 

 

....this is suposed to be a precison use of maverics....

 

It is when used/employed correctly. The maverick is however not a 'super-weapon' and is unfortunately limited by it's seeker.

 

 

...

 

Sorry for the trouble the game is excelent in every way but id love to figure out all this mav correlate thing cause its one thing Id like to implement in mi missions....

 

It's not supposed to be easy :)

[BKLronin]

Vikhrs are way user friendlier :) So much faster to release than this ****- missiles. If they just were fire and forget ...

[Goshawk]

I can't seem to get it, too.

In that video he manages to go to force correlate mode and stay there while slewing.

Yeah for him it stays in force correlate mode while slewing.

 

Shouldn't that be what we have?

 

Otherwise you slew, boat switch centre, ground stabilise and then it could be off a fraction. You should be able to slew it the way he does, not repeat the process. :huh:

[159th_Viper]

Yeah for him it stays in force correlate mode while slewing.

 

Shouldn't that be what we have?

 

The Maverick seeker, once placed in FC mode, attempts to capture a 'seeker picture' the moment the slew is released. If successful then tracking gate will collapse and form a perfect cross. That's the picture the seeker captured. If wrong, stands to reason that a different picture has to be captured, ie attend to the process again. Akin to taking a photo: If the first is blurred/off-centre then you need to take another - cannot manipulate first process to rectify on-the-fly so to speak.

 

 

...Otherwise you slew, boat switch centre, ground stabilise and then it could be off a fraction. You should be able to slew it the way he does, not repeat the process. :huh:

 

No.

 

Slew and Ground stabilize near target, alternatively slave seeker to SPI in vicinity of target. Then Boat switch to centre (FC mode). Then slew to target and release when preferred seeker picture is obtained. Release slew once on target and Mav seeker will attempt to capture seeker picture. If successful, Tracking gate will collapse into perfect cross, indicating successful seeker picture - Launch. If not, tracking gate will drift - Do over.

 

Maverick is limited by seeker, hence the necessity to get close in FC mode :)

[negrete]

Hi again Viper now I understand why its the way it works like that thanks a lot.

 

If got only one little problem, How do you configure your slew so it dosent stop and have to restart the process. If got the hotas warthog slew and if I have to slew up and the right or right and then up, normaly it stops for a second and have to repeat the process thats.

 

Thanks again for the help.

[VMFA117_Poko]

"Oleg The Wizard" has been working to correct the Maverick Force Correlate bug.

about 2 hours ago via web

:smilewink:

[159th_Viper]

If got only one little problem, How do you configure your slew so it dosent stop and have to restart the process. If got the hotas warthog slew and if I have to slew up and the right or right and then up, normaly it stops for a second and have to repeat the process thats....

 

Best bet would be to ground-stabilize the cursor to the immediate left or right of the target so that once you are in force correlate mode, all you would need to do is slew side to side, ie left to right or visa versa.

[StrongHarm]

In agreement with Viper. Also, try this for more precise slew control:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1138499&postcount=6

[alphacharlieecho]

CHANGING SLEW RATE

 

While on the MAV screen in the RMFCD you will notice that OSB button 8 is next to "slew 5.0" that is the default slew rate of the mavericks.

 

Use the UFC (up front controller) on the top of the dash to enter a new slew rate like 2 into the scrtach pad. Then press OSB 8 to set the slew rate of 2 to your mavs and slow the amount they move around. (This will apply to all mavs equipped.)

 

 

note....

If you are just slaving the mavs to your SPI and not using FC then I would increase it to 10. This is really handy for close combat situations and allows the mavs to track over and slave onto your TGP SPI almost instantly when you press and hold CHINA HAT DOWN(V KEY) as long as you are within gimble limits. Saves a second or two but take everything you can get when your Angel 10 Tango SAM.

Edited April 12, 2013 by alphacharlieecho

[alphacharlieecho]

StrongHarm

In agreement with Viper. Also, try this for more precise slew control:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?...99&postcount=6

 

 

 

he asked how to configure the slew rate and this is your answer?

[WildBillKelsoe]

You press boat center once the tms up short twice.

[benargee]

Vikhrs are way user friendlier :) So much faster to release than this ****- missiles. If they just were fire and forget ...

 

well thats just the reality of laser guided vs optical guided missiles, one is not better than the other all the time they have their pros and cons, mavs are fire and forget, vikhrs are fast to shoot after target lased.

[159th_Viper]

 

 

he asked how to configure the slew rate and this is your answer?

 

You need to start winding your neck in. Calling out somebody on a post more than 12 months old? Keep it constructive or keep it quiet would be a good place to start from hereon in.

[spn]

You are probably having a wee bit of difficulty with the seeker capturing the correct seeker picture for FC mode to function correctly. With the limited FOV of the MAV seeker I try and get close, ie launch from 5nm is usually good:

 

 

1 - Set SPI with TGP in vicinity of target to aid in target acquisition

 

2 - Select appropriate Mav's (G/K)

 

3 - Slave Mav seeker to SPI

 

4 - Boat switch to centre

 

5 - Slew to target and once desired target picture is obtained (cross-hairs over target), release slew.

 

 

 

If the 'Scene Picture' is captured properly by the Mav seeker, the tracking gate will collapse fully and you can launch.

 

Also important to note that if step 5 does not result in the desired target picture (ie wrong building/Scene pic inadequate - collapsed tracking gate will drift), then the steps have to be attended to from Step #1 - #4 again to properly employ the ordinance in FC Tracking mode.

 

When attending to step #5, advisable to play around with your slew setting to aid in accuracy as you have one chance to collapse the gate when the slew is released. As said, if released too early/late, you'll have to attend to the entire process again.

 

 

 

Herewith track prosecuting an Ammunition Bunker - Hope it helps:

 

[ATTACH]48066[/ATTACH]

 

159th Viper,

 

Confused about one step. How do I slave the MAV to the SPI (TGP)? Do I acquire the target with the TGP first or what?

 

Thanks for your help.

[159th_Viper]

159th Viper,

 

Confused about one step. How do I slave the MAV to the SPI (TGP)? Do I acquire the target with the TGP first or what?

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Yes, as per step #1. Easier still to create multiple markpoints for target prosecution.

[Aytek]

You are probably having a wee bit of difficulty with the seeker capturing the correct seeker picture for FC mode to function correctly. With the limited FOV of the MAV seeker I try and get close, ie launch from 5nm is usually good:

 

 

1 - Set SPI with TGP in vicinity of target to aid in target acquisition

 

2 - Select appropriate Mav's (G/K)

 

3 - Slave Mav seeker to SPI

 

4 - Boat switch to centre

 

5 - Slew to target and once desired target picture is obtained (cross-hairs over target), release slew.

 

 

 

If the 'Scene Picture' is captured properly by the Mav seeker, the tracking gate will collapse fully and you can launch.

 

Also important to note that if step 5 does not result in the desired target picture (ie wrong building/Scene pic inadequate - collapsed tracking gate will drift), then the steps have to be attended to from Step #1 - #4 again to properly employ the ordinance in FC Tracking mode.

 

When attending to step #5, advisable to play around with your slew setting to aid in accuracy as you have one chance to collapse the gate when the slew is released. As said, if released too early/late, you'll have to attend to the entire process again.

 

 

 

Herewith track prosecuting an Ammunition Bunker - Hope it helps:

 

[ATTACH]48066[/ATTACH]

 

I don't see the point in using Maverick's ridiculously underpowered seeker compared to your TGP and torturing yourself with changing slew rates.

 

Just find your target with TGP, make it SPI, slew maverick to it, boat switch center, TMS Up short and rifle.

[EagleTwoThree]

I don't see the point in using Maverick's ridiculously underpowered seeker compared to your TGP and torturing yourself with changing slew rates.

 

Just find your target with TGP, make it SPI, slew maverick to it, boat switch center, TMS Up short and rifle.

 

That may not work in low contrast situations. I just flew the 'sunset sierra' mission, which is at night, and the JTAC wanted me to kill a jeep with a mav. The contrast in the TGP was so poor, I could barely see the jeep. I slaved the mav to that point, but the mav (D) wouldn't lock. The contrast was better though, and I could clearly make out the jeep. Still, the mav would not lock. I tried force correlate, which I imagine would work, but it didn't. I think only G/K can do FC.