Henchman14 Posted March 3, 2011 Author Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) Well, if you really want to know. There was a guy named LongPoke in Crysis, who showed us all just how he could penetrate any server with code injection and system hooks. He could kill everyone on the server with one shot and make tanks fall out of the sky. He actually released his code. About 300 pages of tight assembler code. Must have taken him FOREVER to write it. Total egghead. Some people have the time and knowledge. So this mod is already out there and its very hard to stop. Some coders on crymod did write some checks to stop it though. On your server, you could just say, ok, a heli just shot a missile. Is it a missile that is allowed on a heli? NO! Destroy it!. Thats basically what the anti-hackers did in Crysis. Works good. But of course, I'm sure that can be hacked too! Its a no win situation. And actually, vikhrs on all rails is easy, just one CLSID add in, in the .lua, if I'm not mistaken. LIke I mounted an R-73 on a rail ( though I can't lock or fire it ). Not realistic though, unless they put in moveable inner stubs, which I could see. Actually, if the copter could carry the weight, I don't see why they wouldn't. 12 more easy armor kills from a distance. Probably something to do with cost. Who the heck came up with that mod? Looks like HungaroJet did a mod for the Apache to carry stingers. *cough*cough* :music_whistling::D Edited March 3, 2011 by Henchman14 1
GGTharos Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 Why moveable stubs for R-73's? Oh wait, I see what you're saying. There's a couple reasons: Probably not realistic to expect to use more than the 12 missiles in the sortie, and I believe putting them there would restrict to shooting them in motion due to gas ingestion problems for the motors. Cost probably wasn't a huge factor (Vikhrs are pretty cheap as is). And actually, vikhrs on all rails is easy, just one CLSID add in, in the .lua, if I'm not mistaken. LIke I mounted an R-73 on a rail ( though I can't lock or fire it ). Not realistic though, unless they put in moveable inner stubs, which I could see. Actually, if the copter could carry the weight, I don't see why they wouldn't. 12 more easy armor kills from a distance. Probably something to do with cost. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Henchman14 Posted March 3, 2011 Author Posted March 3, 2011 No, for the extra vihkrs he was talking about. But yeah, I forgot about the gas ingestion. How do the S-8's get away with it then?
Avilator Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 No, for the extra vihkrs he was talking about. But yeah, I forgot about the gas ingestion. How do the S-8's get away with it then? The S-8's nozzles are straight out the back of the rocket. On the Vikhr, there are two nozzles, one on each side, pointing outwards. This is because the laser sensor is in the extreme rear of the missile, making the space unusable for the nozzle. Maybe this is the reason? I only respond to that little mechanical voice that says "Terrain! Terrain! Pull Up! Pull Up!" Who can say what is impossible, for the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of tomorrow. -Robert Goddard "A hybrid. A car for enthusiasts of armpit hair and brown rice." -Jeremy Clarkson "I swear by my pretty floral bonet, I will end you." -Mal from Firefly
Henchman14 Posted March 3, 2011 Author Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) Probably has something to do with smaller rockets, and thus less gas, but we do fire them in volleys. Unless there's an explosive charge that punches them out a few feet before the main rocket motor engages. Have to research it. Edited March 3, 2011 by Henchman14
Shaman Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) Just so you know. We have a very smart code that pick ups any illegal activity or suspicious out-of-the-blue behavior that totally stands out of the crowd. There were cheaters who tried to conceal they were cheating, but it still picked them out. We monitor very closely such pilots with additional tools. It usually ends with hard ban. There is absolutely no tolerance policy for offenders or cheaters on 51st server. There is no way to get a second chance. Ban information about such players is being passed (ALWAYS) to other server admins. A friendly warning for all who even attempt to try any illegal activity on our server... plus a friendly invitation to join <51> flight server for all legit pilots :) ...from your most friendliest 51PVO POLITICAL OFFICER ^^ Edited March 3, 2011 by Shaman 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
NRG-Vampire Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 Like already said before. No A2A on Apache either. /sarcassm off :megalol: :book:
Henchman14 Posted March 3, 2011 Author Posted March 3, 2011 Yeah, I just ignore all the wrong statements. Hmm, looks like an AMERICAN Apache in the Nevada desert.
AlphaOneSix Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 That's from a movie, isn't it? Firebirds? At any rate, they are AH-64As, and I can say without a doubt that not a single U.S. Army AH-64A ever had the capability of mounting (let alone employing) Stingers. I can't say that there was never a prototype built where it was possible, but the U.S. Army never developed or purchased the capability. Of course, the U.S. Army is out of (almost out of?) A-model Apaches...all have been replaced by the D-models. Which also have no AAM capability. Naturally, other nations have decided to pay extra and have that option fitted to their Apaches, Japan for sure...I think the UK...and maybe a few others that I can't remember.
Henchman14 Posted March 3, 2011 Author Posted March 3, 2011 Lol, probably is FireBirds. That was a cool movie. But other nations do field the tech (as the Japanese pics above show). And thats all I'm really interested in.
Maswi Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 (edited) :megalol: :book: Ok... I take back everything i said... There is no such thing like a reduced HUD radar reticle on the Tomcat The russian air force has NO MIG 28!!:mad: This plane does not exist (seems to be the only sight of these was around 86 or so) lacking information... hmm who cares I really should do some recherche at imdb before posting EDIT: There seems to be another shocking truth.... russians are using Sidewinders :-o Edited March 3, 2011 by Maswi
GGTharos Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 IN RL they are never supposed to be launched from a hovering heli. That's how. No, for the extra vihkrs he was talking about. But yeah, I forgot about the gas ingestion. How do the S-8's get away with it then? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
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NRG-Vampire Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 EDIT: There seems to be another shocking truth.... russians are using Sidewinders :-o You are wrong again my friend. There is not a russian MiG-28 with sidewinder but chinse. Both. :smartass: If you are trying to compare the reality of MiG-28 to the reality of Stinger on Apache, then you're just an idiot. Anyway, maybe you will be shocked by the truth: there are real Russian Sidewinders and Chinese also. Otherwise if you really like sarcasm then your expert eyes will see the differences but think what you want that's your business. http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Air-Launched-Weapons/R-3-and-R-13-AA-2-Atoll-Russian-Federation.html http://www.military.cz/russia/air/weapons/rockets/aam/r3/r3.htm http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-AAM.html
Henchman14 Posted March 4, 2011 Author Posted March 4, 2011 Well, I think a lot of early russian and modern chinese tech was stolen from the U.S. and modified by said countries for there own purposes.
Heli Shed Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 Naturally, other nations have decided to pay extra and have that option fitted to their Apaches, Japan for sure...I think the UK...and maybe a few others that I can't remember. I can confirm today after telephoning a 3 AAC today, that there is NO AAM capability for British AH64D's (westfields). Infact, if you really wanna know, they pissed themselves laughing at the thought! The Japaneese trialed it and didnt like it, something to do with the mounts. "AH is predominately a CAS, Ground attack or recon assett and as such, like ground forces, prefers to operate under the blanket of Air Superiority." 'T' Come pay us a visit on YouTube - search for HELI SHED
Maswi Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) You are wrong again my friend. There is not a russian MiG-28 with sidewinder but chinse. Both. :smartass: If you are trying to compare the reality of MiG-28 to the reality of Stinger on Apache, then you're just an idiot. Anyway, maybe you will be shocked by the truth: there are real Russian Sidewinders and Chinese also. Otherwise if you really like sarcasm then your expert eyes will see the differences but think what you want that's your business. No it's not me, being an idiot, and not only due to the fact, that i know how to speak with others... I really don't see what you are trying to say with those russian rockets, and i don't see your sarcassm either. Comparing that to stingers on apache... no, there is no difference. As you can read above "... they pissed themselves laughing..." I know exactly what i'm comparing, and guess why... It is my job to know such things. AH is predominately a CAS, Ground attack or recon assett and as such, like ground forces, prefers to operate under the blanket of Air Superiority +1 thanks And i don't know why so many people don't get that. It seems that they consider the apache to be some kind of magic elf, being able to do everything. Look at the performance charts of a stinger. What do you want with it in air to air combat. Apache is nothing more than a "flying tank" with a lot of advantages and gadgets, but not more. And they are deployed under air superiority. So in the missions they are used for, they will not have to deal with Air to Air threats, because if they had to, this would not be air superiority. Why should they carry stingers then. If there was the possibility, that enemy A2A threats would start and intercept, an apache would nevery fly without fighter mission in background, protecting it. Deploying an Apache in a A2A zone is just crazy. A tactical aspect, you ruin with a mod like that. The Apache is, for sure, not an ultimate weapon. Stop thinking about it like that. And to be honest, i love the apache due to its aesthetic design. And in its role its just "whoa!" But in that unlikely case, that Apache and KA 50 are meeting in combat, im not so sure if i wanted to pilot the apache. P.S. since you encounter problems with your missions, or you are tired of being shot down by other choppers or fighters, have you ever thought of your missions being unrealistic scenarios? O.o -> Performance charts.... Ah, and excuse my mistakes... it's me... mobile with iphone. It's just horrible Edited March 5, 2011 by Maswi
GGTharos Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 Why not? It has all the advantages. But in that unlikely case, that Apache and KA 50 are meeting in combat, im not so sure if i wanted to pilot the apache [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Maswi Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) Ah. I gave a reason for that, but unfortuanetely my PS moved in between. -> Performance charts.... Look at the performances of those two, and then decide. Look at the gun. Look at the armor. But tell me, which advantage does it have except for cooperation with other systems and fairytale stingers... Haha Edited March 5, 2011 by Maswi
Henchman14 Posted March 5, 2011 Author Posted March 5, 2011 (edited) Why not? It has all the advantages. It sure does in the sim! I can attest to that! :D That sucker has picked me off like 6km away. And I was going fast, sideways to it. But in close, at about 2km, that thing is deadly with its 30mm. It doesn't miss. Not in sim. Edited March 5, 2011 by Henchman14 1
GGTharos Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 The performance won't be much different - the Ka-50 has a small climb advantage. They'll both blow each other up with just a few rounds from the gun, the apache's is look-and-shoot and the Ka-50's has better range. The apache carries all the sensors needed to take first detection and first shot. The apache carries PN-law guided missiles (that's hellfires for you ;) ), making them quite a bit more capable against moving targets than Vikhrs. Further, it needn't be pointing at the target to guide them and in the case of MMW seekers it doesn't need to even maintain contact with the Ka-50 shortly after launch. Ah. I gave a reason for that, but unfortuanetely my PS moved in between. -> Performance charts.... Look at the performances of those two, and then decide. Look at the gun. Look at the armor. But tell me, which advantage does it have except for cooperation with other systems and fairytale stingers... Haha [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Henchman14 Posted March 16, 2011 Author Posted March 16, 2011 Hey guys, been experimenting. Good news for those who want to carry A2A weapons on the Ka-50. So far, all the player can do is mount the R73. You can't lock or fire it. BUT, your wingmen CAN! Just watched my wingie engage and shoot down an F14! The second one got him, but it was good fight. So if you want to arm your wingmen against other heli's or jets, you can!
HungaroJET Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 (edited) Title : Preliminary Airworthiness Evaluation of the AH-64A Equipped with the Air to Air Stinger (ATAS) Missile System Descriptive Note : Final rept. 18 Jul-28 Jul 1988 Corporate Author : ARMY AVIATION ENGINEERING FLIGHT ACTIVITY EDWARDS AFB CA http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA213030 http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA213030 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/57352137/Systems-And-Methods-For-Boresight-Adapters---Patent-7550697#viewer-area AH-64 Apache A/D and AH-64D Longbow Pages:61, 62, 66, 70, 82, 83, 97, 109 http://www.scribd.com/doc/40030664/AH-64-Apache-and-AH-64D-Longbow Edited August 28, 2011 by HungaroJET Atop the midnight tarmac, a metal beast awaits. To be flown below the radar, to bring the enemy his fate. HAVE A BANDIT DAY ! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong." - R. Buckminster Fuller (1895 - 1983), American Architect, Author, Designer, Inventor, and Futurist
Cali Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 The apache carries PN-law guided missiles (that's hellfires for you ;) ), Why didn't you just say hellfires then? Trying to impress us with your knowledge :D i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
AlphaOneSix Posted August 28, 2011 Posted August 28, 2011 Title : Preliminary Airworthiness Evaluation of the AH-64A Equipped with the Air to Air Stinger (ATAS) Missile System AH-64 Apache A/D and AH-64D Longbow Pages:61, 62, 66, 70, 82, 83, 97, 109 http://www.scribd.com/doc/40030664/AH-64-Apache-and-AH-64D-Longbow I wonder how that worked out for the U.S. Army....
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