New MIGs are coolers

[Shinigami]

I would expect the SMT to be easier to make in terms of information available than the others.

 

Lest pray that they hear you. It would be very nice to see and SMT in the game.

 

I don't think the MiG-29 3D model is that bad, but it's due for an update at some point too.

 

Nah after seeing the Su-27 3d model the Mig-29 model seems like 2004 game.

[lunaticfringe]

What tomcat variant?

 

Those cant be TF30 engines, the pilots would be heroes achieving this BFM kill.

 

That video is from VF-41. The Black Aces never had anything *but* TF30s.

 

It's the man. It's *always* the man.

[Esac_mirmidon]

So bad were TF-30 engines?

 

Or was more a business war between General Electric vs Pratt & Withney for military engines production primacy?

 

Because the domination position of P&W felt down in the USA military air production in favour of GE more or less after the engines replacement of F-14 Tomcat´s

Edited August 14, 2013 by Esac_mirmidon

[lunaticfringe]

Come to think of it, all of the symbology is fixed ...

 

Further, Navy pilots have a history of being trained in gun techniques without using the floating pipper. Goes back to the type of snapshot techniques the USN developed in WWII. I've seen the same technique of using the cross on Hornet tape, and at least once on Eagle tape.

 

It's not exactly unusual. Being able to peg a banner (or target) blind can be of benefit in a snapshot when the software doesn't have enough set-time to recompute such as in a vertical scissors as the effect of gravity on the nose changes at the top and bottom as the aircraft transitions from dive to climb out (or vice versa), or circumstances that the target would pass through the stream from outside of your maneuvering plane.

[lunaticfringe]

So bad were TF-30 engines?

 

Yes and no. They could propel the F-14 faster (intercept) than the F110s could, but had issues at low speed and high yaw rate or rapid setting changes causing compressor stalls. The first series of TF30s installed had a bad tendency to throw blades and caused at least one airframe loss. Later variants installed shielding as a stopgap to keep blades from passing through the airframe or fuel lines, while even further kept them from releasing at all but stalls were still a possibility; tactics and training were devised (generally amounting to leaving the blowers in loud- aka "Ronco engines: 'set it and forget it'") to alleviate it for the most part.

 

A famous instance of not following the NATOPS concerning the maneuvering instructions with the TF30s was the death of Kara Hultgreen, at the controls of MiG Killer 160390. She reverted to her Prowler training behind the boat and started pushing the pedals which was against the big bold letters in the NATOPS.

 

The Tomcat was originally to use a derivative of the F100 as found on the Eagle, but cost overruns in the F-14 had the Navy back out of that program and use the PWs in the meantime They were available, whereas the Air Force was receiving the Eagle without engines to match by the time it went into full rate.

 

The Tomcat could run down basically anything (nobody runs down F-111s on the deck, and they could catch *them*) with the "asthmatic" TF30s because of it's performance once transonic and supersonic. So relative to the "underpowered" argument, it's not really correct- different engines develop power differently over altitude and speed. The eventual F110s alleviated the low end concerns while giving up a couple tenths of Mach on the other.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Very interesting. I know very little about US engines.

 

So was true that rude management could cause compressor stalls. ( the only real fact in Top Gun´s film XDDD)

 

Thanks Lunatic.

Edited August 14, 2013 by Esac_mirmidon

[GGTharos]

You should have a look at F100 development ... The USAF got really upset with PW when they said they wouldn't improve engine quality, and went to GE. PW realized they better get their A game on when it comes to engine reliability or else.

 

In short, the -100's liked to stall out in something like one out of 100 AB lights/turn offs. It was bad for F-16's especially.

 

The -220 that the F-15's use now is like a UFO engine by comparison. More thrust, far better reliability, shorter spooling time, and carefree handling.

[lunaticfringe]

PW clearly got scared by GE's movement in the sector, hence the F119. I was sincerely disappointed by the lack of support to let GE furnish a challenger for the F-35 program, given the way it put the former on their heels with the Viper/Tomcat/Hornet (although, the 404s aren't exactly to write home about, either).

[Pilotasso]

It was Rolls Royce (Allison division - The irony) not GE. It was a devastating decision inflicted on them in many ways.

[lunaticfringe]

It was both. GE was responsible for 60%, with Rolls 40.

[Shinigami]

Interesting, I thought that in matters of war reliability came first, not the war on prices or contracts.

[Pilotasso]

The current state of economy dictated the outcome.

[BHawthorne]

Could you name the dozen or so US combat air craft.

 

F15, F16, F18, A10, F22, F35.....

 

I would take a russian bird for sure.

 

I think he means a Russian dozen, which is actually 6? Must be an imperial-metric conversion issue. :lol:

[Kunze]

i say why not SU-35, SU35BM, SU37, SU47?

[Harpoon]

Actually where Eagles fly, MiGs die ;)

 

Sorry to quote an old post, but I just killed an F-15 with a MiG-29S. You were saying?

[GGTharos]

You should be sorry. Necroposting kills kittens.

 

Sorry to quote an old post, but I just killed an F-15 with a MiG-29S. You were saying?

[Harpoon]

You should be sorry. Necroposting kills kittens.

 

I have a kitten in my house, she isn't dead yet.