CH Products Shifted Mode <KonKuSSioN>

[ErichVon]

Can modes be mapped to the CH Fighterstick and Pro Throttle through OPTIONS without installing the CH Control Manager?

 

I saw the MMCB button, so I mapped it to the Fighterstick's #3 button.

 

(Once I get up to speed in about 2 months I will remap my controls with your CH module and use yours with the CH Control Manager installed then.

 

I will search the Adobe manuals, too.

 

Erich

[ErichVon]

Your Radio Panel Snap View <KonKuSSioN>

 

Hi,

 

Is it possible to map your "Radio Panel Snap" view through multiple key strokes, using the Modifiers Panel and Add Switch Panel without installing the CH Control Manager?

 

Anybody else may reply if knowledgeable about it.

 

Erich

[ErichVon]

CH Products Shifted Mode <KonKuSSioN>

 

Is "Shifted Mode" specific to the CH Control Manager?

 

Yeah, may start over and reinstall your CH module. I was having problems with it, so I uninstalled it and tried remapping the controllers without it. But multiple modes is a nice option.

 

Erich

[BiPod]

Ummm....You might want to keep this in the one thread mate:thumbup:. Use the "New Reply" button instead of starting a new thread. Its much less confusing for the rest of us:).

 

Cheers,

BiPod.

Edited March 16, 2011 by BiPod
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[159th_Viper]

Jolly good yes - One thread if you please!

 

/merged.

[bengo]

Only available though CM I think.

Bloody hell : the HOTAS -functions on a single level are complicated enough, without having to think what was where on a different level.

[TigersharkBAS]

I had a CH Fighterstick and Pro Throittle until recently. Could never get the shifted mode button to work in the game :-(

[ErichVon]

Pretend I didn't say stupid stuff.

 

Stupid stuff deleted.

 

I guess you guys have your way of doing things---not my board.

 

 

Erich

Edited March 17, 2011 by ErichVon

[Cali]

Control manager is your friend, it is very good at programming basically anything you want the controller to do. Head over to CHhangar.com, any question you have will be answered very fast over there, by a dev.

[wickedfastball]

Yeah, there is absolutely no reason to not use CH Control Manager. It is not a stay-resident application. You set up your gear, download to the device(s), close it, fly. Easy to use and SUPER powerful...

[531-Ghost]

THIS THREAD should answer your question/s.

[ErichVon]

Book / Manual Available?

 

I am of the generation that prefers a book over reading online, any day---except the SEARCH function is rather nice online searching hundreds of pages for something.

 

Is there a good book out there explaining how to use the CH Control Manager?

 

I would think some know-it-all type would have written a book.

 

I reloaded Kon's mapped module yesterday and still problems. I saved the sim side folder out to reload the game plug and play and still have my setups from last week.

 

Oh, it is me. I am almost 60. And brain hemorrhage a few years ago doesn't help, thinking things through.

 

Thanks,

 

Erich

 

Control manager is your friend, it is very good at programming basically anything you want the controller to do. Head over to CHhangar.com, any question you have will be answered very fast over there, by a dev.

[ErichVon]

Hi,

 

I did not see your page 2 tute before requesting a good book.

 

Thanks for that!

 

Erich

 

THIS THREAD should answer your question/s.

[531-Ghost]

Well, if it's a .pdf you want, you'll find it HERE

[ErichVon]

Hi,

 

Back when I had my Commodore 64, actually I still have it and it still works, back when I used it...

 

I bought these velcro attached, plastic, sidearms that are hinged and attached to the left and right side of my monitor. Originally was nice for typing off an original page or programming in BASIC off a page typing in code.

 

Well, there are various sources for controller print-outs that you can label the buttons. So my throttle page goes up on the left side and the fighterstick on the right. So I can have a visual source as reference. And of course I have notebooks and such on my desk as to checklists, etc. And a filing cabinet right next to my desk with items in folders.

 

But, yes, I agree, a lot of stuff to keep track of. And some guys out there can actually memorize various key moves in 3 or 4 different games much like some folks can speak 6 different languages fluently.

 

Not me!

 

Erich

 

Only available though CM I think.

Bloody hell : the HOTAS -functions on a single level are complicated enough, without having to think what was where on a different level.

[S77th-konkussion]

Looks like you got your answers, Erich. CM is your friend. It's not super intuitive to a new user, but if you persist at it, you'll be much happier very soon. I'm still not sure what the actual problem is, but it has to be:

 

A: You're trying to modify certain commands, and these changes are not taking. This is on you Erich- there's all kinds of references on how to use CM. I already have a radio snap view in mine. All you do to assign it is select the Hat, pick the direction you want it assigned to, right click the box (under regular or shifted) and select the keystroke recorder. Wit keystroke recorder open- press the key or combo of keys- no need to hold them down for 3 seconds or whatever. All you need is for it to show up- click exit- done.

 

If the problem is that you're running my profile, and the stick is screwing up in game- then you either have a conflict, or need to calibrate. Conflicts arise from failing to delete the preassigned functions that DCS attempts to assign to the axis & buttons of all controllers. If the stick is responding, but poorly, or not to your liking- then you need to calibrate, or make in game adjustments to the axis.. Controllers will get out of whack when you unplug them- so avoid this

if possible. Calibrate in direct mode ONLY in CH manager. The printable layouts for my setup are right there in my forum picture albums. Just click my name to the left here and select public profile.

Edited March 18, 2011 by S77th-konkussion

[ErichVon]

Hi Kon,

 

I'm doing good currently, but not using Control Manager, yet.

 

Your module? Oh, it is me.

 

Remember, you long term guys doing the LockOn family of games are old salts doing this. Remember coming in green and starting out? I've been doing this game DCS game about 2 weeks or so. A lot to learn here as a NOOBIE, NEWB, or NEWBIE however you want to call it.

 

I will start easy in GAME MODE to learn the systems, then switch to full SIM later.

 

I Plug & Play direct my CH trio, remapped the controls so I can function to my needs and am currently doing the game side tutorials.

 

Flying out in the sticks, on visual rules only I have no problem navigating to or from and landing to any airport (aerodrome). I use the F10 map and if necessary backward slash in GAME mode to get co-ordinates from ATC or AWAC. I let my AI wingman do the dirty work LOL!

 

I fully intend to immerse myself in this game and fly with your squad (with your permission) in full SIM mode as you guys fly your sorties. I'm not there yet. A lot to learn. I will master every aspect of this game, eventually, it just takes time. I will master how to use CH Control Manager.

 

I GOOGLEd LockON and Kon was top of the list. This guy was the 1st to help me out with the LockON, FC2 and DCS families of cool stuff. Kon is a 1st class guy in my book. But time to move onward.

 

The other guys here, too, thank you for being most helpful.

 

I have been doing Aces High (2) since 2007.

 

http://www.hitechcreations.com/

 

The limiting factor with Aces High is having the fastest ISP connection you can get as to frame rates. The best guys there, have the best setups. I live 70 miles from NY City in suburbia. My DSL is not fast enough for Aces High in dogfight mode. A fiber-optic connection would be nice.

 

CV, carrier ops was my favorite and you rely on visual only in that game. And I was quite good in bombing by the big bombers using the Norton sight or the equivalent via USA, Russian, British, or Japanese bombers. But I canceled paying the $15 per month that game. There are just too many commands to master here to DCS and try to remember to do both, for me anyway. I think it is great not having to pay a server fee to access the server as to DCS or FC2, but I would definitely do so if it comes to that, later.

 

Your module, my problem, in CH Control Manager was/is no left throttle movement and no nosewheel steering. I am fine for now, plug and play. Oh, yes, I use your printouts currently. CH HANGER also has theirs with blank boxes to custom arrange as to your needs and mapping.

 

Kon---much thanks. Thanks for helping me. Thanks for the reply here.

 

 

Erich

 

 

 

 

Looks like you got your answers, Erich. CM is your friend. It's not super intuitive to a new user, but if you persist at it, you'll be much happier very soon. I'm still not sure what the actual problem is, but it has to be:

 

A: You're trying to modify certain commands, and these changes are not taking. This is on you Erich- there's all kinds of references on how to use CM. I already have a radio snap view in mine. All you do to assign it is select the Hat, pick the direction you want it assigned to, right click the box (under regular or shifted) and select the keystroke recorder. Wit keystroke recorder open- press the key or combo of keys- no need to hold them down for 3 seconds or whatever. All you need is for it to show up- click exit- done.

 

If the problem is that you're running my profile, and the stick is screwing up in game- then you either have a conflict, or need to calibrate. Conflicts arise from failing to delete the preassigned functions that DCS attempts to assign to the axis & buttons of all controllers. If the stick is responding, but poorly, or not to your liking- then you need to calibrate, or make in game adjustments to the axis.. Controllers will get out of whack when you unplug them- so avoid this

if possible. Calibrate in direct mode ONLY in CH manager. The printable layouts for my setup are right there in my forum picture albums. Just click my name to the left here and select public profile.

Edited March 19, 2011 by ErichVon

[S77th-konkussion]

Oh I remember alright. CH Manager was a terrific source of frustration for me too. But stick with it. Don't take on too much at once. You know - I had one bright idea to practice with. Try this: Copy the 2 files I gave you- the dcs_a10.map & the dcs_a10.cms to your desktop. Then rename them both "tester" or something else and put them back into CH Manager- right where you copied mine from. You will now have a map that you can mess around with as much as you like- figure stuff out, screw it up, etc etc.. while keeping the other profile safe for use.

 

Now- I will say you probably shouldn't mess with the Primary HATS- The TMS, TRIM, DMS, CMS, COOLIE, CHINA/BOAT. Those are best left alone.

 

 

But the 3 Throttle buttons and the 2 other HATS on the throttle- (the HATS where ZOOM view and the gear/ flaps are currently assigned) There are things you can do with those that you might like better..

[ErichVon]

Hi Kon,

 

I do not wish to change anything as to your setup and I have not, except the trim.

 

In plug and play I mirrored your setup best I could except I did switch the trim ailerons and elevators to where you have Boat Switch and China Hat on the throttle.

 

I'll try again. I will leave the trim buttons on the Fighterstick.

 

The problem I had in plug and play was the same---no in cockpit throttle slider that works and no rudders or steerable nose wheel. I figured that out by finding a thread in the Forums. I removed the DCS Warthog folder under Saved Games and started over, mapping my CH trio in plug and play.

 

I will try removing that folder again so I can maybe insert somehow your CH files. I think that is where the conflict is. DCS pre-programs the CH gear. I now have some CH tutorials as how-to, to work with.

 

My plug and play setup folder I will save in a safe place.

 

I just completed the Navigation Tutorial in TRAINING in plug and play and mostly keyboard commands. I need your CH setup to do the navigation thing, your setup would make it so much easier. I will be doing that tute over and over in my sleep to memorize the controller button functions.

 

I will go online sometime with that TeamSpeak thing and talk to you if I get hungup. My hours will be weird this next couple of weeks. I'll find you.

 

The other issue is how to map the Right Shift+Right Control keys with the numbers keypad to get views up, down, left, right in cockpit views using the TrackIR? Is it even possible? TrackIR is not installed, yet.

 

I do have a Logitech G15 keyboard with 3 modes and 18 programmable keys also to play with.

 

Years ago, early 1990's Microprose had a game very similar to this one with the 2 MFD screens. I think it was F-117A. It was in DOS and it mimicked the 1st Iraq war. I don't remember it being this hard to learn. How many other almost age 60 guys you have in here?

 

That game mimicked just what they are doing currently in Libya---take out the communications capabilities and early warning radars 1st, but currently they are using cruise missles instead of stealth fighter/bombing jets.

 

Thanks.

 

Erich

 

PS: Reading the tutorials above I will need to do some work on my old Dell Dimension 3000 I bought new in 2004 so I can read the tutes on the Dell while I play with this game on this new PC I built last summer. My Dell originally was just 256 MB ram. I soon added 2-500 MB sticks of ram. I can expand it to 2 GB. I have the ram, just have to take it apart. Hope that battery is still going and don't have to reload the BIOS in it. The Windows .Net was killing it slower than molasses. Maybe another GB of ram on my Pentium 4 machine will speed it up. It will be a few days doing this. I am not wasting good ink on all those instructions. Thanks for the effort with those tutorials to SimHQ and the .pdf tutorial.

 

 

Oh I remember alright. CH Manager was a terrific source of frustration for me too. But stick with it. Don't take on too much at once. You know - I had one bright idea to practice with. Try this: Copy the 2 files I gave you- the dcs_a10.map & the dcs_a10.cms to your desktop. Then rename them both "tester" or something else and put them back into CH Manager- right where you copied mine from. You will now have a map that you can mess around with as much as you like- figure stuff out, screw it up, etc etc.. while keeping the other profile safe for use.

 

Now- I will say you probably shouldn't mess with the Primary HATS- The TMS, TRIM, DMS, CMS, COOLIE, CHINA/BOAT. Those are best left alone.

 

 

But the 3 Throttle buttons and the 2 other HATS on the throttle- (the HATS where ZOOM view and the gear/ flaps are currently assigned) There are things you can do with those that you might like better..

Edited March 20, 2011 by ErichVon

[S77th-konkussion]

OK Erich- if you have no left throttle movement than you have mapped the wrong throttle axis.

 

There are 3 choices: Left , right, & both. You need to map JOY_Z to BOTH..

 

Nosewheel steering should work fine as it is- but if it's not responding- there are 2 possible solutions.

 

Solution 1 is if the button responds poorly/ intermittently. Without messing with the assignment- Activate my map in CH manager. Then click on the tab that says "program settings". (looks just like the other device tabs)

 

Set the character rate down a little bit like 47. Save/ and hit the download button again. Test it. See if it responds better.

 

Solution 2- never works. Clear the function, and reassign it with the keystroke recorder.

 

Again- going back to your other comment. I would advise against messing with those primary HAT functions. Reversing the trim & Boat/ China Hat functions serves no purpose- but that's up to you.

[ErichVon]

Hi Kon,

 

I never changed anything of your original program files in CH Control Manager.

 

I loaded it as instructed.

 

I only made trim changes NOT in Control Manager, but only in Plug and Play.

 

Something I did or did not do in its proper sequence, maybe adding the controls. Your method adding controls is not how Ghost's tutorial to SimHQ says to do it. I have not read the Adobe pages, yet. I am not saying your method is wrong---works for you and others. I am missing a step along the way.

 

There are maybe 12 different variables that can be going on. Just a matter of isolating the problem and doing it correctly.

 

My entry into the Internet was WebTV---10 or 12 years ago. What we all found out was different machines, different brands, basic same WebTV commands did not always work the same on all machines. I think this is true concerning the different kinds of computer setups, too.

 

Thanks for your help and your time.

 

Erich

 

OK Erich- if you have no left throttle movement than you have mapped the wrong throttle axis.

 

There are 3 choices: Left , right, & both. You need to map JOY_Z to BOTH..

 

Nosewheel steering should work fine as it is- but if it's not responding- there are 2 possible solutions.

 

Solution 1 is if the button responds poorly/ intermittently. Without messing with the assignment- Activate my map in CH manager. Then click on the tab that says "program settings". (looks just like the other device tabs)

 

Set the character rate down a little bit like 47. Save/ and hit the download button again. Test it. See if it responds better.

 

Solution 2- never works. Clear the function, and reassign it with the keystroke recorder.

 

Again- going back to your other comment. I would advise against messing with those primary HAT functions. Reversing the trim & Boat/ China Hat functions serves no purpose- but that's up to you.

Edited March 20, 2011 by ErichVon

[S77th-konkussion]

Yes- it's because your messing with things without knowing what you're doing. Trying to program buttons using both DCS and control manager is likely to lead to multiple conflicts.

 

You go ahead and do it your way...

[ErichVon]

No, you are wrong. I have not done as you suggest.

 

I do not think I am typing in Greek but there is always BabelFish.

 

Thank you for the help getting this far.

 

I will figure it out.

 

Doing the medical rounds I have not been on my PC in a week.

 

Erich

 

Yes- it's because your messing with things without knowing what you're doing. Trying to program buttons using both DCS and control manager is likely to lead to multiple conflicts.

 

You go ahead and do it your way...

[celticcoho]

I found it is best to program(IN GAME) if at all possible, DCS A-10 does not play well with others!!!!:book:

[S77th-konkussion]

Not really Celtic. As long as you delete the default button assignments first- you can use the stick software. Although I don't doubt there are sticks that you would NOT want their software- CH is not one of these..