VRS FA-18E Superbug X-----DCS: A-10C Warthog ??

[wolf_288]

Hi

what is your opinion about VRS FA-18E Superbug X comparison with DCS: A-10C Warthog ?

[Cedaway]

Oh no! A "troll" thread to come...

My opinion:

1) DCS is very good with the aerodynamic calculation (advanced flight model) while FSX has a more basic FM.

2) DCS A-10 is an... A-10 flight simulator. How can we compare a A-10C with a F/A-18???

3) FSX is graphically very good as well as DCS (however not the same kind of beauty)

4) FSX is a civilian sim while DCS is a military sim

5)...

 

Just stand-by DCS F/A-18 and ask that question again...

[Zaltys]

Cedaway, your #1 is wrong. VRS F-18E doesn’t use FSX’s flight models, instead it has its own, which feels really great. In fact, it would be very interesting to find out which one is closer to RL.

[element1108]

Hi

what is your opinion about VRS FA-18E Superbug X comparison with DCS: A-10C Warthog ?

 

I personally don't compare because they offer different things. There's plenty of room for both IMHO.

[andysim]

hard to compare they really, they both have merits and are top of their field.

 

I will be intrested in the upcoming Tac Pack for the VRS but no matter what they do the Bug will always be a Military Jet stuck in a Civilian Sim.

 

I would say the flight models are both utterly fantastic, if you have flown the VRS bug you will know what I mean. The A-10c is a pleasure to fly and fight in.

 

They both have extensive systems modeling and are complex but the A-10c wins on pure systems that are actualy modeled and functional.

 

If you have FSX and some decent scenery areas (Orbx for instance) and a carrier addon its can be very rewarding to fly off the carrier and explore the amazing scenery and shoot the 3 wire on your return :joystick:

[Phantom88]

I have The VRS SuperHornet and LOVE IT!!! That said,FSX is a Sim that's from 2006 and was basically sold broken out of box and never fixed.

 

If you don't do some serious file tweeking with FSX even the best/modern hardware will fail to run it.

 

SPEED. I get a Great sense of airspeed with the DCS A-10C that I can't seem to capture in FSX[Probably performance related] FSX seems to topout at 160-180 knts. Everything over that feels basically the same in the Sim.

 

It would be FANTASTIC if The CEO of VRS, Jon Blum would bring his talents to DCS and create a SuperHornet that has a Real Stinger!!!! :)

[Zaltys]

It would be FANTASTIC if The CEO of VRS, Jon Blum would bring his talents to DCS and create a SuperHornet that has a Real Stinger!!!! :)

 

+1!

[PlainSight]

Someone should leak the FSX source code, so the community can finish what M$ didn't.

 

VRS is just for flying around, you don't have specific military missions and targets and not every system(TGP) is implemented. DCS has it all, but lacks theatres of operations. Serious issue, compared to the whole world in FSX.

 

Hi def FSX aircraft serve as a training platform for systems, start up, basic flight and navigation, so when you get into DCS plane, you're almost combat-ready.

Edited March 27, 2011 by PlainSight

[EtherealN]

Cedaway, your #1 is wrong. VRS F-18E doesn’t use FSX’s flight models, instead it has its own, which feels really great. In fact, it would be very interesting to find out which one is closer to RL.

 

DCS is based on a product used in training A-10C pilots, with actual A-10 pilots as SME's advicing in development.

 

Ask VRS for something similar.

[SUBS17]

Its pointless to compare DCS A-10C to VRS Superhornet as they are both different types of aircraft. Maybe DCS F-16 or something would be a better comparison that being said though I think the VRS Superhornet would fit perfectly into DCS and not only would its FM match the AFM it is on the same level in fact some aspects of the FBW make it just a bit more complex. The Superhornet would also own everything in DCS coming up in the Tacpac is A/G radar and also buddy lasing the crazy thing is VRS plan on making an even more advanced FM for the Superhornet for the Pro version so both the Superhornet and the Tacpac are going to continue to evolve although the pro version will cost extra from what I understand.:thumbup:

[Zaltys]

DCS is based on a product used in training A-10C pilots, with actual A-10 pilots as SME's advicing in development.

 

Ask VRS for something similar.

 

 

Are you speaking about FM or about systems and procedures of A-10C in general? Well, speaking even about FM you can read some impressions from F-18s RL pilots on VRS forums. All of them are very positive.

[Agg]

coming up in the Tacpac is A/G radar and also buddy lasing

Buddy lasing without a TGP then?

[SUBS17]

Details on Tacpac are here:

 

http://www.vrsimulations.com/tacpack.htm

 

Interview here:

 

http://simhq.com/_air13/air_461b.html

 

David: Does the argon of the AIM-9 deplete over time, causing an overheat of the seeker?

 

Jon: We will initially offer the AIM-9M and AIM-9X. The AIM-9X has an internal closed-loop cooling system and doesn't need to be externally cooled by either argon (USAF) or nitrogen (US Navy). The AIM-9M uses a nitrogen bottle housed in the launch rail, and an IR cool switch in the cockpit can be used to override the automatic cooling cycle. The Superbug has never simulated the need to start/stop cooling, but we can certainly consider the option to degrade the sensor if cooling is overridden.

 

David: Is the option to cool or uncool the missile available?

 

Jon: Currently, no.

 

David: Can a buddy lase for another aircraft dropping LGBs?

 

Jon: Yes. A laser pulse frequency in the form of a coded entry is established by the LDT aircraft and anyone with an LST on that code can slave to it as long as the quality of the spot isn't attenuated too much. This applies to AGM-65Es and all LGBs.

 

David: Does the laser have limitations where it will only be able to fire below 25K?

 

Jon: This is called atmospheric attenuation and in the real world it's a function of primarily absolute humidity and slant range rather than a set altitude. But the answer is definitely yes, we model limitations.

 

 

Sounds quite similar to the level of detail of DCS from what I can see although it might take a while to reach that level sounds more promising than the other combat mods for FSX.

 

And

 

We know at least one other developer working on a naval simulation right now with plans to adopt the TacPack SDK. We'd very much like to see if we can't coalesce several simulations like that into a multi-role paradigm. A campaign system is on the table, it's feasible, and it's something we're going to consider.

 

 

When that SDK is out things are going to get quite interesting for FSX.:thumbup:

I'm still getting DCS A-10C as it looks awesome.

[WynnTTr]

Are you speaking about FM or about systems and procedures of A-10C in general? Well, speaking even about FM you can read some impressions from F-18s RL pilots on VRS forums. All of them are very positive.

Have you met my friend, he's a Nigerian prince....

[TheCabal]

Oh no! A "troll" thread to come...

My opinion:

1) DCS is very good with the aerodynamic calculation (advanced flight model) while FSX has a more basic FM.

2) DCS A-10 is an... A-10 flight simulator. How can we compare a A-10C with a F/A-18???

3) FSX is graphically very good as well as DCS (however not the same kind of beauty)

4) FSX is a civilian sim while DCS is a military sim

5)...

 

Just stand-by DCS F/A-18 and ask that question again...

 

My opinion:

 

Please, stop using trendy-inet-kiddy-terms like "troll" which almost every forum-guy is using... emberassing!

[Cedaway]

Cedaway, your #1 is wrong. VRS F-18E doesn’t use FSX’s flight models, instead it has its own, which feels really great. In fact, it would be very interesting to find out which one is closer to RL.

 

Mea Culpa.

Thanks for the info :smilewink:

[Napa]

I don't care whatever modification or how close to RL they make VRS Superhornet, its still flying in FSX.

 

Comparing 2 aircrafts is a one thing and comparing 2 different simulation engines is another thing.

 

- DCS can simulate true to real life warzone with armor, infantry, gunships, ships, frigates, carriers, bombers, fighter aircraft fighting, destroying, communicating and cooperating with each other.

 

- FSX can simulate almost true to RL airport and airspace Civil traffic environment. One thing I give to FSX here is the fact that air navaids are more advanced from DCS... don't worry, the tide will turn eventually.

 

- A-10C's true to real life simply because the producers and dev team have classified documents and RL pilots provided by U.S. Airforce to help produce the sim by signing

contracts. (I wonder how much money both sides paid those lawyers to prepare the contracts)

 

- VRS got info on the superhornet how? I don't think the U.S. Navy is giving away classified material for VRS to simulate their Superhornet without a contract. The fact that RL hornet pilots found it realistic enough doesn't mean much to me.

 

And the graphics.. Yeah FSX graphics are good and the strong area of its looks is the terrain. Can it simulate a real battlefield like DCS?? No.. FSX is an aircraft museum.

 

Mower will take care the rest.. he's a big FSX fan :P:D

 

edit: Even with the Tacpack I don't thing it will make much difference.. only more features to play around with.

Edited March 28, 2011 by Innerloop

[Stretch]

Even with the Tacpack I don't thing it will make much difference.. only more features to play around with.

 

Umm ... "features to play around with" is exactly why I buy a simulation. You?

[Napa]

Umm ... "features to play around with" is exactly why I buy a simulation. You?

 

Playing around is a different thing from simulating ;)

[SUBS17]

To be honest VRS Superhornet is an entirely different simulation compared to FSX its more like a different sim running within FSX itself. The Tacpac is a whole new ball game as it will allow MP combat it will take a while to reach the level of detail in some areas but I have no doubt VRS are dedicated to what they are doing as since the FS2004 version of the F/A-18E they have done an FSX version and numerous patches. With this its not like all the other addons where you just have a nice 3d model basic pit and thats it. Not this addon it has a full 3d pit on the same level as the A-10C for DCS its clickable and 6dof. Now the FM is far beyond FCs FM with the exception of the SU25T its about the same level of detail from my impression what impresses me is the FBW modelling is beyond all other sims. Nothing else comes close thats full FBW and it includes the preprogrammed pirouette which is what the real one can do. Each pylon and weapon has drag and just like a real Superhornet it requires trim(small amounts) just as they do IRL. VRS plans on doing a Pro version with an even more advanced FM which will include departure etc.( the one thing missing from the FM...not that its that easy to get a real one into departure in the first place unlike the F-16) If ED were to release an SDK and make the same offers on payware as FSX I have no doubt that if VRS were to make an addon such as this it would fit right in and own everything else which is what the real one can do anyway.

 

 

This is just an example of some of its features pre Tacpac.

 

[Shaman]

I own both VRS for FSX and DCS:WH.

Yes, once you have VRS you will have an addiction problem. The quality of the product is so high that you are no longer judging it that it uses FSX platform (actually it is used only to render world). Yes they have used FSX platofrm, because DCS plaform wasn't ready 5 years ago. DCS even now isn't open for 3rd party developers, but FSX did it, so VRS did Super Hornet and totally blew my mind (I am every day surprised that FSX could pull off DCS quality of pit, feel and flight model).

For me personally both sims are top awesome and I do not need anything more now.

I give them such remarks:

GOLD MEDAL FOR BOTH

BEST FASTMOVER SIM ON MARKET: VRS

BEST MUDMOVER SIM ON MARKET: DCS

Edited March 29, 2011 by Shaman

[Dodgeza]

VRS is really great, FSX is not the greatest platform though and requires a lot of gymnastics to get the best out of it. That said the VRS guys have done a brilliant job and I'm super excited for the TacPac.

 

DCS A-10 is my baby though, the feeling of flight and the more full featured world and systems just can't be beat.

 

Hmmm... Some Air Traffic in a 'Free Flight' would be fun though, give the world that bit of life it needs... hehe I can hope and dream... (yes I know its a theatre of war)