104th Server R-77 For Su-27 & MiG-29G NATO Mod!

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

I, as well as =4c= squad, fully support the mod. We at =4c= will work closely together with 104th to implement this mod as well as R-27EA mod on both servers.

[104th_Crunch]

Cant u allow only specific mods?

 

Not with file check on certain files. Unless you turn off file check, or players are forced to download a mod that matches server files.

 

Saw no difference in tactics and kill ratios, at least not for me. However it feels like HAWX now, which is fine for a while. I suggest make it a theme week just like the 80's. Too bad that one went unused.

 

 

I don't think people will really notice much difference. F-15s vs F-15s, or F-15 vs Su-27. Many similarities. There is a change for Su-27 drivers, others won't notice it so much. People rarely fly the MiG-29G, and again, even if all of them are in the air that same time, can anyone tell the difference between a MiG-29G with 120B and a MiG-29S with R-77 attacking you?

 

Of coure not everyone may enjoy the changes, but it is not a drastic change. You can't please all of the people all of the time. People have varying preferences.

[mvsgas]

For sake of game play and balance, I think, it would have been more fun to take off 120, 77 and ET. Just use AIM-7, 27R and T. Not criticizing the decision. You could give me

and I will still suck in A2A. Even if they where ill tempered. Just my two cents

[Cali]

We all know it's not about realism, it's about some fictional time in a warped time continuum. Don't know how many times it has been stated that the 27 can't carry the R-77 in lock on, by people with the right sources. All, this is really gonna do is add more active missiles to every aircraft. So, instead of worrying about ER, since they most likely won't be used expect when people fly the 33. The 15 still has the silent attack of TWS. Can the R-77 be fired in helmet just like on the 29?

 

Crunch, it's not about telling the difference, it's about those aircraft not being able to use that weapon. And I think it is a drastic change and many others do as well. I don't mind and I'll try it out. For me, my tactics most likely won't change.

[Grimes]

Patch Notes:

 

Mig-29G

 

• Added AGM-65 D/K to be used on Pylons 3 & 5
  
• Added Aim-120B to bed used on Pylons 3 & 5
  
• Edited official Luftwaffe Wikipedia article to delete the section regarding "Sale of remaining German Mig-29G's to Poland"
  

Reason: Buff to give the Mig-29G more capable weapons to better perform CAS and CAP missions.

 

Colossus

 

• Removed Extended Thermal Lance Upgrade
  

Reason: Protoss are OP

 

Su-27

 

• Added R-77 to be mounted on all pylons capable of carrying the R-27ER
  
• Added KAB-500 Optical Guided Bomb
  
• Added Kh-29T TV Guided Missile
  

Reason: To restart a debate that has occurred at least once every single year since the release of Lockon.

 

Also for "fun"

 

 

Seriously though,

Using these modifications in combination with an East vs West scenario makes the most sense and it is more intriguing than simply adding it on top of the typical mayhem found on the 104th game server. The only difference is now there will likely be more players flying the Su-27 and Mig-29G for the sake of trying it out. I would love to see the flight hours by aircraft before and after this mod. I'm sure it would be identical to every single time Team Fortress 2 came out with a "class update" wherein >50% of the players spend a week or 2 playing the updated class until things returned to norm.

[Moa]

Grimes, if you remind me at the end of the month I'll get you the flight hour data for the 104th server (actually you could do it yourself if you know how to import a SOAP Webservice into a spreadsheet - but I'm very happy to do it for you provided I get a reminder to do so).

[VAOZoky]

Why are people rageing about R77 on sukhois? Just pretend that Su27 in lock on IS NOT -censored- M version anymore. This mod upgraded su27 to SM standard. Its that simple. About 120s on mig29g...well i dont want to comment on that coz i dont like it but its not that big deal (its still mig with week radar and no tws, no fuel).

Now off topic:

Me and my squad are haveing dificulties with 104 server. It looks like someone is always kicking us from server:mad: If u dont want us on your server say it now because we are tired of droping from server all at same time:joystick:

[RIPTIDE]

Me and my squad are haveing dificulties with 104 server. It looks like someone is always kicking us from server:mad: If u dont want us on your server say it now because we are tired of droping from server all at same time:joystick:

No. This is a connection issue with the Host and is been addressed. It isn't your squad. :)

[RIPTIDE]

• Edited official Luftwaffe Wikipedia article to delete the section regarding "Sale of remaining German Mig-29G's to Poland"
  

Damn.. I knew I forgot something. :helpsmilie:

[Boberro]

Again, other mods require file check to be disabled. This one does not.

 

Can you tell me what files? Adding Su-25TM or Su-17 slots need almost nothing to do. Just add those planes as clients. Customhuman.lua file and views can be enforced by server by putting this file inside *.miz. I did that very long time ago and I use this on my server.

Clients need to add input configuration only to be able fly them.

 

Su-24M >>Su-25TM and Su-17M4

 

But the Su-17 has nice power with its triple flame holder. :joystick:

 

Both are nice, especially 25TM with Kh-31 and Su-17 as faster bomber but with low amount of fuel though.

 

Why are people rageing about R77 on sukhois? Just pretend that Su27 in lock on IS NOT -censored- M version anymore. This mod upgraded su27 to SM standard.

 

lol :)

[104th_Crunch]

Can the R-77 be fired in helmet just like on the 29?

 

Yes it can with the Su-27 maddog launch.

[MoGas]

Its interresting to see the nature of the community members, when something different is tried, kinda reminds me on Yoda`s effort, to bring up some real feature, and got beaten down as well, from people who come up with the WHAT IS REAL AND UNREAL nonsense in our topic too, you guys just beat on things, what is not fitting in youre minds, thats all. It has nothing to do with realism or not...

 

The differents between us and others, we dont have the fear to try something, it dosent matter if the "what is real and unreal judges" from the community on the ED forum, jumb in and say, "ahh I dont fly there anymore bla bla" comments, we try it now and thats it...

 

I have been always there to try or fly on different scenarios, its not a big deal, but if a groupe of people just dont like u it gets just beaten, as history proved, some say, we are a small groupe of community we need to hold on togheter, but some of u just prove how rong it is. I dont know what is more rong, the scenario to try, or getting already beaten down, before even started. Some of you make me laugh...

 

And dont ask me in the future, if some of you wanna try something out too, I just use youre comments not to fly....but I guess I will not see it, because you are anyway not trying something...

Edited May 8, 2011 by MoGas

[Cali]

Its interresting to see the nature of the community members, when something different is tried, kinda reminds me on Yoda`s effort, to bring up some real feature, and got beaten down as well, from people who come up with the WHAT IS REAL AND UNREAL nonsense in our topic too, you guys just beat on things, what is not fitting in youre minds, thats all. It has nothing to do with realism or not...

 

The differents between us and others, we dont have the fear to try something, it dosent matter if the "what is real and unreal judges" from the community on the ED forum, jumb in and say, "ahh I dont fly there anymore bla bla" comments, we try it now and thats it...

 

I have been always there to try or fly on different scenarios, its not a big deal, but if a groupe of people just dont like u it gets just beaten, as history proved, some say, we are a small groupe of community we need to hold on togheter, but some of u just prove how rong it is. I dont know what is more rong, the scenario to try, or getting already beaten down, before even started. Some of you make me laugh...

 

And dont ask me in the future, if some of you wanna try something out too, I just use youre comments not to fly....but I guess I will not see it, because you are anyway not trying something...

 

Then add LEAVU and Yoda's other mod and see people start crying about that, it's real. Maybe add the VNAO mod, that way we can have F-14's and 18's on Blue side :) AIM-54's fired from across the map and how many 120's does that pic of the F-18 show? Think of all the cool jets we could have, so what if they have the Mig, Su or F-15 cockpit. That would be awesome to have that many aircraft. Oh and can we please have a NATO AWACS that works!

Edited May 8, 2011 by Cali

[MoGas]

Then add LEAVU and Yoda's other mod and see people start crying about that, it's real. Maybe add the VNAO mod, that way we can have F-14's and 18's on Blue side :) AIM-54's fired from across the map and how many 120's does that pic of the F-18 show? Think of all the cool jets we could have, so what if they have the Mig, Su or F-15 cockpit. That would be awesome to have that many aircraft. Oh and can we please have a NATO AWACS that works!

 

Its funny you say it, and the fact that we have our crying members in our community, and the fact is, it dosent matter if real or not, it is a constant cry lol...

 

Look, I would like to fly everyday on a GCI server like the 51st did, thats what feels and is kickass....but it is not happening. In our case we just try a scenario, some say it feels like HAWKS lol, I tell you, the current warfare proberly feels like HAWKS with all the fancy F-22, EF-2000, Rafales etc etc..

 

The reactions of some are just overrated, and in some cases personal, but thats how it is in here...:(

[RIPTIDE]

Then add LEAVU and Yoda's other mod and see people start crying about that, it's real. Maybe add the VNAO mod, that way we can have F-14's and 18's on Blue side :) AIM-54's fired from across the map and how many 120's does that pic of the F-18 show? Think of all the cool jets we could have, so what if they have the Mig, Su or F-15 cockpit. That would be awesome to have that many aircraft. Oh and can we please have a NATO AWACS that works!

If the security issues with Leavu and Yoda's work were not present you would see it added on many a server I expect. The 104th has many fans of that. But to get around it is to force players to download a mod before joining. And that can mean the death of a server. Unless all servers agreed.... and as you know... some are not as keen on Leavu as others.

 

As Mogas said, we flew on the 51 GCI days. THAT was awesome. But... the sacrifice? Exports were open for the time. And this is the issue with many of these mods. Security.

Edited May 8, 2011 by RIPTIDE

[FLANKERATOR]

It's definitely not for realism since the Su-27S cannot deliver the R-77. As Crunch pointed out, it is for fun, period, end of story and fair enough. Not to mention you lost your 'realism' plot when babbling about the MiG ;)

 

Well, Fun is the first reason why I fly this simulation for sure.

To me, more fun = more realism so like or not the Su-27S/SK can deliver the R-77, same story with the SM/SKM version.

 

Read my comment about the MiG again, I said not having enough information about how realistic it can be, then I was commenting the effect it would have on the game balance, which is "NULL", period, end of story.

Now try to read carefully next time before babbling back.

 

@ Flankerator: ..no matter what modern possiblities might be, or the Sukhoi page promisses, the ingame version of the Flanker (time) is/was NOT able to fire R77s, realisticly spoken,

 

Mate, the ingame version of the Flanker is the Su-27S/SK, which according to Knaapo can carry six RVV-AE. Those who say that's a PR website are just blind on purpose. And even though, a PR website should reflect something you SHOULD be able to do upon a customer request, which also means that in the worst case, they are able to fit the RVV-AE on SK's, and this is exactly what Crunch and the 104th did for the community. To me, the R-77 mod for the Su-27S/SK in FC2 is realistic and fair as not affecting the game balance whatsoever, and am not forcing anyone to share my opinion.

 

Hence, they could also promise same missile on the Su-33 specification page, but they did NOT, simply because the Su-33 does NOT carry it.

[Pilotasso]

Why are people rageing about R77 on sukhois? Just pretend that Su27 in lock on IS NOT -censored- M version anymore. This mod upgraded su27 to SM standard. Its that simple. About 120s on mig29g...well i dont want to comment on that coz i dont like it but its not that big deal (its still mig with week radar and no tws, no fuel).

Now off topic:

Me and my squad are haveing dificulties with 104 server. It looks like someone is always kicking us from server:mad: If u dont want us on your server say it now because we are tired of droping from server all at same time:joystick:

 

the SM version has 2 large MFD's and a true TWS mode which the S version, the one modelled in LOMAC doesn't have.

[RIPTIDE]

No need to change the signature and I am pretty relaxed since R-77's without TWS pretty much makes it little more dangerous than the mig we are used to. :)

You did change it though. :megalol:

[VAOZoky]

the SM version has 2 large MFD's and a true TWS mode which the S version, the one modelled in LOMAC doesn't have.

 

There u go. Now we need true SM mod with new pit and TWS:pilotfly:

[MoGas]

Again the GAF MiG scenario is fictional, but based on the fact it WOULD be possible for german engineers to make such a upgrade besides the ICAO II standard, what they have anyway (and we are not talking about a lasergun upgrade lol), for the GAF MiG if NEEDED.....

 

http://i51.tinypic.com/2441bnm.jpg

 

And, someone pointed it out already, germany send his miggys to poland already, soo, to stay realistic again lol, we would need to erase the german mig out of FC2.0, or activate the polish nation for FC2.0....LOL

 

all about realism...;)

Edited May 8, 2011 by MoGas

[MoGas]

There u go. Now we need true SM mod with new pit and TWS:pilotfly:

 

No u cant Zoky lol, LEAVU mfd's for my homebuild cockpit can´t be used, it is not accepted in the community and blocked by export.lua...

 

all about realism..;)

[MoGas]

Me and my squad are haveing dificulties with 104 server. It looks like someone is always kicking us from server:mad: If u dont want us on your server say it now because we are tired of droping from server all at same time:joystick:

 

As RIPTIDE said already it has nothing to do with kicking you, 104th_Presing from serbia, has the same issues, we send a drouble ticket....

[Pilotasso]

You did change it though. :megalol:

 

Damn I accidentally erased the GIF :(

 

EDIT: FIXED, thx didnt even noticed it. :D

Edited May 8, 2011 by Pilotasso

[GGTharos]

so like or not the Su-27S/SK can deliver the R-77

 

No, it cannot, and frankly I don't care what you think or where you get your info from. You're up against information coming directly from operators. You will not find a Su-27S/SK with the cockpit as you see it now, capable of delivering R-77, period, end of story. You just cling to this idea for your own reasons.

 

Read my comment about the MiG again, I said not having enough information about how realistic it can be, then I was commenting the effect it would have on the game balance, which is "NULL", period, end of story.

Now try to read carefully next time before babbling back.

 

You're still the one babbling :D Such changes -always- have some effect on balance. Or would you now say that the tweaks made for FC2 had no effect on balance?

 

To me, the R-77 mod for the Su-27S/SK in FC2 is realistic and fair as not affecting the game balance whatsoever, and am not forcing anyone to share my opinion.

 

It isn't realistic, and it does affect balance.

 

Hence, they could also promise same missile on the Su-33 specification page, but they did NOT, simply because the Su-33 does NOT carry it.

 

It does now.

[Mustang]

Me and my squad are haveing dificulties with 104 server. It looks like someone is always kicking us from server:mad: If u dont want us on your server say it now because we are tired of droping from server all at same time:joystick:

 

Add me to the list of guys having "server ping timeouts" and "connection interrupted" over and over, you aren't being kicked, it's a european-to-server connection issue.