Question about HUD mode vs Weapon Profile/Delivery Mode

[latearrival]

Hi!

 

I've searched this forum, the manual, and played around with this in-sim, but I just don't get it...

 

If the HUD master mode is NAV, CCIP, CCRP or AIR-TO-AIR, then DMS right/left selects a weapons profile. If the weapons delivery mode (e.g. CCIP) of the selected weapons profile differs from that of the current master mode (e.g. CCRP), then the master mode automatically changes to the weapons delivery mode of the selected profile (e.g. from CCRP to CCIP).

 

It seems to me that all I have to do to get the right master mode is to set the HUD as SOI, choose *any* master mode except GUNS, and then use DMS right/left to select the desired weapons profile (which will automatically changes the master mode to the weapons delivery mode of the selected weapons profile).

 

So my question is, why would a pilot bother to select CCIP or CCRP or AIR-TO-AIR if the subsequently selected weapons profile is going to override that selection?

 

(What I was expecting to happen was for the DMS right/left switch to only cycle between the weapons profiles that had the same delivery mode as the current master mode, e.g. if the master mode was set to CCIP, then DMS right/left would only allow you to choose a weapons profiles that had CCIP as the delivery mode).

Edited June 14, 2011 by latearrival
fixed a spelling mistake

[Nate--IRL--]

To be honest it really is a much of a muchness in terms of design philosophy. Personally I find cycling Profiles (Containing their preferred delivery method) and then changing the Master mode if necessary, perfectly natural and intuitive to do.

 

For example, I don't think I've ever dropped a GBU-12 with it's default CCIP mode, and always find myself selecting the profile and changing to CCRP with the master mode button. Ideally I should alter the profile, but I don't always remember to do so.

 

Nate

Edited June 14, 2011 by Nate--IRL--

[latearrival]

Thanks Nate. I think that means I've misunderstood something fundamental :doh:

 

The delivery method defined in the profile is the default/preferred delivery method. This can be overridden with the master mode.

 

Do I have that right now?

[Nate--IRL--]

Yes, that is how I understand it at least.

 

Nate

[latearrival]

Thanks Nate, much appreciated. I'll give it a go later. PS I hope you haven't got an early start in the morning ;)

[RodBorza]

It is just another example how there are multiple ways of accomplishing the same thing on the A-10 C.

[bluepilot76]

Im glad you asked that. I was never sure why I had the choice of delivery methods on the HUD when it had been set in the profile. Personally I find it a bit of a carry on going into the profile and swapping CCRP with CCIP when Im in the middle of a nice bit of action...

[Nu-NRG]

A few days ago I was doing some GBU 12 bombing. While DSMS profile was programmed for CCRP my jet was in a weird situation at the moment and since it is a laser guided bomb I quickly decided to do a CCIP release. MMCB was useful in this case.

[bluepilot76]

Would that "wierd situation" involve being uside down, eyes on target, machine gun fire coming in from the left, SAM warning from the right, Wingy yelling "mudspike", AWACS report bogeys at 16 miles......Good sim this!

[xjiks]

From my experience, the best it to set your profile before you take off or enter the enemy area. Then totally forget about the DSMS and simply change the master mode and profile with the HUD menu.

[Nu-NRG]

Would that "wierd situation" involve being uside down, eyes on target, machine gun fire coming in from the left, SAM warning from the right, Wingy yelling "mudspike", AWACS report bogeys at 16 miles......Good sim this!

 

Long version:

Mainly all of that above, besides being upside down. I was under SAM fire, up high, my CCRP window closing freaking fast. I needed terrain cover for SAM evasion and at same time I just wanted to destroy that last target without over shooting it.

 

Short version:

I just wanted to get the job done and GTFO :D

Edited June 14, 2011 by Nu-NRG

[bluepilot76]

Sweeeeet.... I know the feeling!

[Nu-NRG]

Sweeeeet.... I know the feeling!

Dodged one ..

And another ..

Some *ciggy break* cca 10 mins without ML warning going off ..

Dodged third ..

 

*gut feeling* telling you that the fourth one will get you .. time to GTFO

 

MMCB in that case, was golden :D

[shagrat]

I usually always use the DSMS Profiles, on most missions you have the time, during ramp start waiting for EGI alignment or on approach to the target, switch on the autopilot and prepare your profiles. There are a lot of details to care about (e.g. drop pattern of CBUs with release altitude and rotations etc.)...

 

The Master Modes (basically the switch between CCIP and CCRP) are useful if you have to change plans in the combat area.

When engaged and you see an enemy column spread away from the road and has cover from MANPADs or the like and you change plan from "strafing run" to CBU 87 drop, you quickly dial in a CBU87 on the DSMS and switch master mode to CCRP, gain altitude, and drop.

 

You don't want to adjust a profile then :D

 

And for the A-A-Mode I guess it is a last defense move when a Hind or Frogfoot pops-up and you cannot run away.

 

Master Mode Button looong and ready to rumble... eh, usually rumble to the ground in peaces. Minimum chance to get a good lock on 'em before they throw some nasty rounds or missile at you :megalol: