Why so many password-protected servers?

[dok_rp]

Hello guys,

 

I've had this sim for quite a while now, and I've been doing my best to learn how to use it properly, so when I would finally put it to use in the multiplayer mode I would not make a fool of myself and not disrupt other people's games.

 

Having completed this first stage and after learning a good bit about the game, avionics and systems, I decided to give it a spin on the multiplayer with two buddies of mine.

 

Much to my demise that was a truly frustrating episode due to the immense inaccessibility of the servers for them being almost all passworded.

 

This is an utterly hardcore simulator with a supporting community that does not lag behind in terms of being dedicated and interested in making the best of such an incredible piece of software.

 

Having that said, I don't seem to grasp the necessity of having the absolute majority of the meager number of available servers password-protected.

 

Today, for example, a Sunday, which is a great day for flying, 10 out of 13 servers are inaccessible due to password protection.

 

So to all servers hosts:

 

Why not make a game, which by its own definition attracts an incredibly diminished public, more accessible by allowing others to join in in your missions? Adding to the fore-mentioned frustration is the fact that many of these passworded servers had no one playing. That's even more saddening.

 

Well, don't take this is as ranting post or anything. It's just my expression of discontent on a behavior that only thins out the community even further.

 

Thanks a lot guys. :pilotfly:

[Bearitall]

Hello guys,

 

I've had this sim for quite a while now, and I've been doing my best to learn how to use it properly, so when I would finally put it to use in the multiplayer mode I would not make a fool of myself and not disrupt other people's games.

 

Having completed this first stage and after learning a good bit about the game, avionics and systems, I decided to give it a spin on the multiplayer with two buddies of mine.

 

Much to my demise that was a truly frustrating episode due to the immense inaccessibility of the servers for them being almost all passworded.

 

This is an utterly hardcore simulator with a supporting community that does not lag behind in terms of being dedicated and interested in making the best of such an incredible piece of software.

 

Having that said, I don't seem to grasp the necessity of having the absolute majority of the meager number of available servers password-protected.

 

Today, for example, a Sunday, which is a great day for flying, 10 out of 13 servers are inaccessible due to password protection.

 

So to all servers hosts:

 

Why not make a game, which by its own definition attracts an incredibly diminished public, more accessible by allowing others to join in in your missions? Adding to the fore-mentioned frustration is the fact that many of these passworded servers had no one playing. That's even more saddening.

 

Well, don't take this is as ranting post or anything. It's just my expression of discontent on a behavior that only thins out the community even further.

 

Thanks a lot guys. :pilotfly:

 

since today is like an off day for most..Squadron's do their stuff without interfence...so the lock server's..I am only assuming this .. since I haven't flown multi for a while..also most servers have a intregity check which you also might not have...keep plugging away though you just might end up on one of the great servers..

 

:thumbup:

[Snoopy]

Well eventually I hope to get multi squads to participate in a virtual Hawgsmoke....once Nellis is finalized and released....

[Moa]

I run the stallturn server. I leave it without password protection so all can fly on it. Plenty of people do, but as a consequence it does attract the teamkillers (either killing friendly units or other players) and the anti-social trolls who post inflammatory stuff in the chat window.

 

The reason most servers are locked is to improve the experience for the players that bother to join the passworded servers (for example the 74th merely requires you to connect to their teamspeak to get the password of the day; you get fewer idiots and you have better coordination, since you're on teamspeak).

 

So, in short, one reason servers are locked is because there are significant number of trolls who delight in teamkilling and other anti-social behaviour etc.

 

Don't blame the server owners, they're just trying to give a better experience to the (majority) decent players [clearly I am negligent in this regard with stallturn :)]. Blame the trolls instead.

 

If you do a little work you will find that many of the passworded servers are easy to access, provided you meet some minimal conditions (eg. joining the server's associated teamspeak, or checking a forum for NOTAMS which provide the daily password). Also, more unpassworded servers are coming online as time goes on (check out the excellent 104th A-10C server which has only been out for a couple of weeks; disclaimer, I'm a 104th member, and that server has missions that suit our more realistic tastes).

 

@paulrkiii: kick-ass! a Hawgsmoke would rock (and thanks for the excellent checklists too).

Edited July 25, 2011 by Moa

[aaron886]

Why are servers passworded? One pseudo-word... "noobs."

 

Trick is to play with people you know. If you don't know anyone, now you've got a place to start. Make friends or join a squad! :)

[luckybob9]

Well eventually I hope to get multi squads to participate in a virtual Hawgsmoke....once Nellis is finalized and released....

Have patience young padawon:thumbup:

 

The Iron Angels server is never passworded

[bengo]

Why are servers passworded? One pseudo-word... "noobs." :)

 

That is so completely wrong! You're confusing noobs with idiots. Noobs are very much welcome on our server, outside our squadnight, like Moa pointed out. It's the other category we're trying to keep out.

Edited July 25, 2011 by bengo

[Deigs]

I jumped into the DCS Community TS3 channels today, and just jumped into comms, got the password from the guys and had a game with strangers. It was awesome.

[Heli Shed]

I jumped into the DCS Community TS3 channels today, and just jumped into comms, got the password from the guys and had a game with strangers. It was awesome.

 

:music_whistling:

 

This is how we do business also.

 

Wanna fly? then jump on Teamspeak. you dont even have to ask for the server password, it is issued as MOTD.

 

'T'

[winz]

That is so completely wrong! You're confusing noobs with idiots. Noobs are very much welcome on our server, outside our squadnight, like Moa pointed out. It's the other category we're trying to keep out.

Noob == Idiot.

 

Newbs are the ones, that are mostly welcome, new players willing to listen and learn.

Best explained here: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20060823 :)

[Heli Shed]

Noob, Newb, Newbie, rookie, amateur, new boy, fluffpot, yoric, slipper or ternie they all mean the same thing.

 

what they do NOT mean is an IDIOT. Which, incidentally, can be anyone who knows that what they are doing on a 'server' in a sim (in this case), is going to piss others off. be that:

 

Taxi-ing to wrong active

Not reading the mission briefing

asking stupid questions in chat like - "how do i get this thing goin?"

Dive bombing or basting those who are taxiing

Popping flares over an airbase because it looks nice

Shooting down, on purpose, others, just to see what happens

 

Amongst hundreds of other scenarios.

 

(not withstanding the fact that the cartoon is fairly accurate!)

Edited July 25, 2011 by Tyger

[winz]

No.

In every on-line community I've been so far, noob and newb were not the same thing. Even though people tend to mistake them for beeing the same term.

 

Newb is derived from newbie, which is a new inexperienced player. These people should be taken care off, because their mistakes came from beeing new to the game/sim. Everybode was a newb once. Newb is rookie, newb is amateur, and should not be insulted for his mistakes

 

Noob on the other hand is a term used to incapable, bad mannered, people who show no will to learn from their mistakes. Usually ruin everones else experience, and their instant reaction to every criticism is a flood of insults. Term 'what a noob' is never ment as 'what a new, inexperienced player', but allways as 'what an idiot'. Noob is not a newb, noob is not a rookie, noob is not a new boy...Noob is by, most on-line communities, definition an idiot.

 

Calling a new player noob is insulting him. Calling him a newb is not.

 

This difference is what the commic tried to demostrate.

If you tell someone 'dude, you're taking off from the wrong side of the runway'

and he responds 'ou, sorry. How do I know which side is the correct one', then he is a newb and should be given a contructive answer.

 

but if he respond 'stfu!!!!!!', then he's a noob and should be kicked.

 

 

ps. Was the -rep really necessary? :)

Edited July 27, 2011 by winz

[jaykinch]

Hey all i was thinking the same (about passworded severs not the noob newb thing lol)

There just seems far to many p/w server with only 5-6 people in there

Cant they set it up so your on the other side to them or something like that

But good to know about jumping on TS to get the password for the DCS server :)

 

Oh and Tyger you forgot "BlueHat" lol

[Fuzzysham]

Just want to chime in here. I too agree there are far too many passworded servers. I have all but given up on multiplayer. I have tried passworded servers before but I was forced to use TARS on team speak. It is a nifty little add on but far too hardcore. Additionally people in team speak I have encountered force me to use the military terminology for everything. I know this is a study sim and I like that but there is a point to where it ceases to be enjoyable due to such serious players. A lot of people like that and I understand and it's cool but I just wish the were some more laid back servers.

 

I rent a server from a company called feral hosting and they provide command line only access to a unix based o/s. I host team speak from it as well as "other things". I wish there was a way to host a DCS server on it. I'd make it a little more laid back (i.e. radio communications). Oh well, I do find a great server that is unlocked with great and less hardcore people every once in a while. As for now I'm trying out the campaigns. The default built in one is pretty repetitive. I'll check out the other ones that were removed to see if they are any better.

 

Again, love the game, just too many passworded servers where people act like its life or death.

[dok_rp]

I can totally understand the frustration of someone who sets up a mission and has his buddies over comms with all the correct terminology and everything, setting up radio frequencies, getting taxi and take off clearance just to have their immersion killed by someone taking off from the taxiway.

 

Talk about an immersion killer. I too have two friends with whom I fly, but none of them can speak English, so, whenever they are online, I feel compelled to fly with them. Therefore, logging into a TS server from a passworded game and speaking Portuguese would not be the best way of getting acquainted.

 

Something that I do immensely miss in the DCS series is a VoIP system similar to that one we have in the ARMA series. I've been able to have loads of fun by creating missions and leaving the server open and using the built-in comms system to talk to other players.

 

I think the DCS series would greatly benefit from such a service.

 

I hope that with the next compatibility patch more people get drawn into DCS A10 and that we may have more quality password-free servers.

 

Well.. let's see what that turns out to be.... :smartass: :pilotfly:

[Grimes]

Just want to chime in here. I too agree there are far too many passworded servers. I have all but given up on multiplayer. I have tried passworded servers before but I was forced to use TARS on team speak. It is a nifty little add on but far too hardcore. Additionally people in team speak I have encountered force me to use the military terminology for everything. I know this is a study sim and I like that but there is a point to where it ceases to be enjoyable due to such serious players. A lot of people like that and I understand and it's cool but I just wish the were some more laid back servers.

 

Again, love the game, just too many passworded servers where people act like its life or death.

 

Multiplayer is all about the people you play with, so find the right group and it will be very enjoyable. Its just a issue of finding that group, which can take some time. As for the military terminology, I guess its a question of how hardcore they were about it. Personally I just like to hear the basic communications that are more of a informative message to what you are doing. Funny part is, when the group I fly with play FC2, the communication practices and standards are MUCH more strict and organized compared to flying A-10C. Its the nature of the combat and the aircraft I guess.

 

system similar to that one we have in the ARMA series. I've been able to have loads of fun by creating missions and leaving the server open and using the built-in comms system to talk to other players.

 

Couldnt agree more. It would at least give players who dont speak the same language a common means of communicating basic information to each other.

[S77th-konkussion]

Just want to chime in here. I too agree there are far too many passworded servers. I have all but given up on multiplayer. I have tried passworded servers before but I was forced to use TARS on team speak. It is a nifty little add on but far too hardcore. Additionally people in team speak I have encountered force me to use the military terminology for everything. I know this is a study sim and I like that but there is a point to where it ceases to be enjoyable due to such serious players. A lot of people like that and I understand and it's cool but I just wish the were some more laid back servers.

 

I rent a server from a company called feral hosting and they provide command line only access to a unix based o/s. I host team speak from it as well as "other things". I wish there was a way to host a DCS server on it. I'd make it a little more laid back (i.e. radio communications). Oh well, I do find a great server that is unlocked with great and less hardcore people every once in a while. As for now I'm trying out the campaigns. The default built in one is pretty repetitive. I'll check out the other ones that were removed to see if they are any better.

 

Again, love the game, just too many passworded servers where people act like its life or death.

 

 

Yeah. I'm going to call bravo sierra on this one. I have been flying online almost exclusively since 1998 or so.. Nova's built in voice comms (forget the acronym).. roger wilco.. etc.. not ONE time have I EVER been "FORCED" to strictly adhere to brevity, or encountered any kind of obsessive nonsense that your going on about. So cut the CRAP about my community- if YOU can't handle flying live with/ against others- then sit out. No reason for you to discourage others from taking the plunge.

 

Hell DCS is all co-op anyway unless someone sets up a rarely seen A10 air to air..

 

For the umpteenth time- passworded servers are MOSTLY accessible to the public if you join their comms. No other strings attached. It keeps out those who would cause trouble if allowed in with a measure of anonymity.

[RoaringBones]

Just want to chime in here. I too agree there are far too many passworded servers. I have all but given up on multiplayer. I have tried passworded servers before but I was forced to use TARS on team speak. It is a nifty little add on but far too hardcore. Additionally people in team speak I have encountered force me to use the military terminology for everything. I know this is a study sim and I like that but there is a point to where it ceases to be enjoyable due to such serious players. A lot of people like that and I understand and it's cool but I just wish the were some more laid back servers.

 

I rent a server from a company called feral hosting and they provide command line only access to a unix based o/s. I host team speak from it as well as "other things". I wish there was a way to host a DCS server on it. I'd make it a little more laid back (i.e. radio communications). Oh well, I do find a great server that is unlocked with great and less hardcore people every once in a while. As for now I'm trying out the campaigns. The default built in one is pretty repetitive. I'll check out the other ones that were removed to see if they are any better.

 

Again, love the game, just too many passworded servers where people act like its life or death.

 

Yeah. I'm going to call bravo sierra on this one. I have been flying online almost exclusively since 1998 or so.. Nova's built in voice comms (forget the acronym).. roger wilco.. etc.. not ONE time have I EVER been "FORCED" to strictly adhere to brevity, or encountered any kind of obsessive nonsense that your going on about. So cut the CRAP about my community- if YOU can't handle flying live with/ against others- then sit out. No reason for you to discourage others from taking the plunge.

 

Hell DCS is all co-op anyway unless someone sets up a rarely seen A10 air to air..

 

For the umpteenth time- passworded servers are MOSTLY accessible to the public if you join their comms. No other strings attached. It keeps out those who would cause trouble if allowed in with a measure of anonymity.

I think you totally missed the point of the post:(,also its not your Community you don't own it,its everyone's community.He's not discouraging anyone and i can agree sometimes its hard because your on TS with your own squad that doesn't have a dedicated server but yet at times your forced to set up TS for that particular server? it can get a bit too much.

 

Its true that some squads force you to use team speak,but they have their reasons.Everyone plays at different levels,yes there is hardcore type military stuff,With many squads (including mine)but at the same time its also a double edged sword

 

You do it so much you get burned out and just want to for once just play a nice laid back games without the extra stuff.

 

We do play arma as well (Saturdays and Sundays) and have been doing that along with Rise of Flight on Mondays with our sister squadron.To us we take along break from DCS A-10 because we've been involved so much in arma.

 

 

even though we don't run a dedicated server we still play.

 

 

@dok_rp P.S. There are many foreign language squadrons around also.Then again Most will take anyone doesn't matter what country your from.I'll also bet that many have divisions for that.

Edited October 1, 2011 by RoaringBones

[Fuzzysham]

I think you totally missed the point of the post:(,also its not your Community you don't own it,its everyone's community.He's not discouraging anyone and i can agree sometimes its hard because your on TS with your own squad that doesn't have a dedicated server but yet at times your forced to set up TS for that particular server? it can get a bit too much.

 

Its true that some squads force you to use team speak,but they have their reasons.Everyone plays at different levels,yes there is hardcore type military stuff,With many squads (including mine)but at the same time its also a double edged sword

 

You do it so much you get burned out and just want to for once just play a nice laid back games without the extra stuff.

 

We do play arma as well (Saturdays and Sundays) and have been doing that along with Rise of Flight on Mondays with our sister squadron.To us we take along break from DCS A-10 because we've been involved so much in arma.

 

 

even though we don't run a dedicated server we still play.

 

 

@dok_rp P.S. There are many foreign language squadrons around also.Then again Most will take anyone doesn't matter what country your from.I'll also bet that many have divisions for that.

 

I was typing out a long post till I read yours. You basically said what I was going to say in reply to the post above yours.

 

I was in no way discouraging anybody. Some players, such as myself prefer not to join such strict servers. There are good ones out there, just hard to find on a regular basis.

 

All I was saying is that I wish there were more casual servers or the ones that are locked and require TS aren't so...well, I don't want to keep saying hardcore but I can't think of another term at the moment.

Edited October 1, 2011 by Fuzzysham

[Sleem]

You are welcome on my server. It is only occasionally passworded but mostly open. I would prefer it if people used TeamSpeak for coordination but many do not.

 

I set this up as I do not have time (or the inclination) for the formality of a squadron. I just want mature flights with other like minded people.

 

The only real server rule is to play nice! ;)

 

My server is going ugly which is UK based. The ping limit is 350, which may present a problem due to your location, but hopefully will not!

 

:)

[Fuzzysham]

You are welcome on my server. It is only occasionally passworded but mostly open. I would prefer it if people used TeamSpeak for coordination but many do not.

 

I set this up as I do not have time (or the inclination) for the formality of a squadron. I just want mature flights with other like minded people.

 

The only real server rule is to play nice! ;)

 

My server is going ugly which is UK based. The ping limit is 350, which may present a problem due to your location, but hopefully will not!

 

:)

 

Cool man. I have actually been on your server many times I think. I don't believe I have ever joined TS on it. I prefer to use TS too for coordination and such. Your server is quite reasonable (not dissing other servers though). Exactly how I would run mine if they come out with a dedicated server. Next time I'll check out TS when I join yours.

[Heli Shed]

Yeah. I'm going to call bravo sierra on this one. I have been flying online almost exclusively since 1998 or so.. Nova's built in voice comms (forget the acronym).. roger wilco.. etc.. not ONE time have I EVER been "FORCED" to strictly adhere to brevity, or encountered any kind of obsessive nonsense that your going on about. So cut the CRAP about my community- if YOU can't handle flying live with/ against others- then sit out. No reason for you to discourage others from taking the plunge.

 

Hell DCS is all co-op anyway unless someone sets up a rarely seen A10 air to air..

 

For the umpteenth time- passworded servers are MOSTLY accessible to the public if you join their comms. No other strings attached. It keeps out those who would cause trouble if allowed in with a measure of anonymity.

 

Agree!

 

+1:thumbup:

[Boberro]

I noticed also there are less and less flying people around, at least in LO. I remember old days, where I've seen daily at least 25-35 at 104th (or earlier 169th). Now I see less people to fly with hmm. So either it is my imagination, or people grew up and have less time to use.

 

About server's password, it is decision of Admin. Personally I don't like being forced to use TS whether I am not in mood to talk so I don't even bother to enter, or alternatively just mute mic and talking people.

[Fuzzysham]

About server's password, it is decision of Admin. Personally I don't like being forced to use TS whether I am not in mood to talk so I don't even bother to enter, or alternatively just mute mic and talking people.

 

Agreed. Just have to avoid the servers where TS is required I guess.

[B1Helios]

I haven't been around the Lockon/DCS sims for too long, but my one guess to less turn out now as apposed to, 'the old days', would be that we now have the DCS BS and DCS A10, so the, 'herd', has been thinned by additional sims. Just a guess, but I could be way off base.

 

As for pass-protected servers, our group normally runs ops with protected servers, and generally speaking this creates an atmosphere for our members to be able to participate in without having to worry about or deal with the general riff raff. We definitely don't go to any means to turn away potential pilots, in fact the opposite for those who've shown an interest by joining our forum and participating both in forum and in game.

 

I realize the frustration some may experience just trying to join a server to get in some gametime, but really, the only obvious solution is to take the next step and contact a few formed groups, join their TS, or form a group of your own, or get on the minority of servers that aren't password protected.

 

It is what it is and largely due in part to many variables, but one of the biggest I believe is for groups to not have to deal with those who are disruptive. And as one poster perceptively pointed out, joining a group/TS server, takes away some of the anonymity.

 

And for those who really don't like to talk much, it is not a requirement that you carry on full blown convo on our TS server. We use it more for purposes of getting everyone on the same page as far as communication goes. I'm like that too at times, sometimes I'm a jabber mouth and some days I just don't feel like saying much. BUT, having TS/Vent makes things so much easier as apposed to having either no communication, or having to take hands off the stick to chat in game.

Edited October 1, 2011 by B1Helios