A2A Simulations P-51D Mustang

[leafer]

No, I wasn't involved in Spitrire and P-47 development, but now I'm a full A2A team member, and I'm working with the team on the upcoming products.

 

Thanks. From the videos you guys are doing excellent job. Keep up!

[Bearitall]

How is the engine management?

Is it even close to this?

After the huge disappointment with VRS F-18, I'm not sure if I ever want to pay for addons for FSX.

That is another thing about FSX, in other for it to be somewhat playable, you have to spend so much money buying addons, sad

 

Yea, I think I saw that many years ago..and from what shows in video the A2A Simulation P-51D Mustang handles appears to handle the same as the video..from what I saw A2A did a detailed research on all their models..to great detail...making it look and feel as though you are flying the real thing..they spoke to real life P-51D pilots..asking many questions..in order to get the detail as close as possible..

 

As for your answer for the FSX VRS Superbug..well remember you are on the ED Tester Team..a competitor...so you may tend to be bias....of others...

 

You say paying extra for addons you are not into..well DCS now offers addons which you have to purchase also so..where's the difference..

 

Blackshark...$50.00

A-10 Warthog...$50.00

 

And the new addon soon to be available probably $50.00

 

Anyway this thread was not intended for this type of discussion..

 

Cheers :thumbup:

[mvsgas]

How does the weigh affect the flight characteristics? I heard and have read that the aft fuel tank could cause the aircraft to snap role.

 

PS

DCS are not addons, they do not need another sim to work. Also, I'm just a tester, I do not gain anything form the opinion posted, it is just that, my opinion. Nobody in this forums influences that, nor it should reflect on anyone. I was simply answering a question and posting my opinion. Was not meant for nothing ells.

Edited August 2, 2011 by mvsgas

[Bearitall]

How does the weigh affect the flight characteristics? I heard and have read that the aft fuel tank could cause the aircraft to snap role.

 

PS

DCS are not addons, they do not need another sim to work. Also, I'm just a tester, I do not gain anything form the opinion posted, it is just that, my opinion. Nobody in this forums influences that, nor it should reflect on anyone. I was simply answering a question and posting my opinion. Was not meant for nothing ells.

 

My opinion is that if you have to purchase something else to be added to the current sim...its an ADDON...if I remember correctly when " Blackshark came out it could not fly together with FC2 "..it did not come with it originally..give it freely then I agree with you ...

 

Even as a Tester... opinion's could be bias...

 

Anyways enough on this..:thumbup:

Edited August 2, 2011 by Bearitall

[mvsgas]

So how those the weight affect flight characteristics?

[Migo]

My opinion is that if you have to purchase something else to be added to the current sim...its an ADDON

But it wasn't added, it's just another sim.

[Bearitall]

But it wasn't added, it's just another sim.

 

 

LOL..sure if you are talking about the current FC2 sim and the A-10...but if they " Patched/Upgraded it "...then " Yes " its not a addon .... so its an addon cause you have to purchase it..

[Bearitall]

So how those the weight affect flight characteristics?

 

 

Weight affect is the same as most out there..you have to watch your speed to keep altitude..if you are too heavy on landing approach and slow..you will drop like a rock..as you see in my video's I think in the first video and 2nd flight I was slow and had to adjust speed to keep a level path to runway..:music_whistling:

 

My second video my approach is alittle better..

[effte]

He's referring to the added fuselage tank in the D. With the fuselage tank full, the aircraft was borderline unstable in pitch and needed care when manoeuvring. It became very sensitive on the elevator, and prone to overcontrolling.

 

Snap roll is something else, even if it is done through (partially) stalling the aircraft.

[mvsgas]

There was a video of this in You tube but I can't find it now. I think it was Chuck yeager talking about this.

 

Effte,

Thanks, you know well I'm terrible at explaining things

[GGTharos]

Whether something is an add-on or not isn't something that depends on your opinion.

 

DCS continues to evolve, and enhancements are made to the entire simulation. New things are added - sometimes overtly, sometimes under the hood. They're not add-ons ... you can't just plug in 'old modules' and go, for that reason.

 

My opinion is that if you have to purchase something else to be added to the current sim...its an ADDON...if I remember correctly when " Blackshark came out it could not fly together with FC2 "..it did not come with it originally..give it freely then I agree with you ...

 

Even as a Tester... opinion's could be bias...

 

Anyways enough on this..:thumbup:

[Bearitall]

Whether something is an add-on or not isn't something that depends on your opinion.

 

DCS continues to evolve, and enhancements are made to the entire simulation. New things are added - sometimes overtly, sometimes under the hood. They're not add-ons ... you can't just plug in 'old modules' and go, for that reason.

 

Yes, I do understand..DCS is ever evolving..and its new models are just great..I have no problems..it was the way how someone else was trash(for now I will use this word) talking about another sim.

 

Each developer has their own personnel that are highly trained in specific area's more than others...

 

A2A Simulations take the same strong dedication of detail as much as DCS does...I think the same goes for VRS Superbug developers..no one now a days will go half ass about it..or it goes no where fast..everyone now researches the needs for the specific aircraft and brings it as close as possible to reality..

 

I still love the FC2/DCS series and always will my next purchase will be the A-10..

 

Cheers

:thumbup:

[GGTharos]

I understand; but at the same time people have their own preferences as to what they wish to play as well, or well ... a critical eye focused on some particular features - so there will always be debates.

 

Some people like the falcon DC and won't fly anything without it. Others can't be bothered with a realistic clickable cockpit, or even missiles, and fly IL2. Others like it because of historic value ... so I don't think it's right to say that everyone makes things as realistic as possible. There are a few shops that do (and some that try, but fail), but I think for the most part, a lot of products just try to cater to their market.

With FSX, IMHO, you're limited by the existing engine which remains as it always has been, though there have been some clever work-arounds.

I haven't used the VRS superbug so I can't really judge it anyway. I have the performance charts though, and I'd have judged it by those at minimum if I did have it :)

 

(BTW, you'll enjoy the Hog. You can make that aircraft fail in surprising ways ... try a little too much lateral g and see what happens!)

[mvsgas]

Yes, I do understand..DCS is ever evolving..and its new models are just great..I have no problems..it was the way how someone else was trash(for now I will use this word) talking about another sim.

 

Each developer has their own personnel that are highly trained in specific area's more than others...

 

A2A Simulations take the same strong dedication of detail as much as DCS does...I think the same goes for VRS Superbug developers..no one now a days will go half ass about it..or it goes no where fast..everyone now researches the needs for the specific aircraft and brings it as close as possible to reality..

 

I still love the FC2/DCS series and always will my next purchase will be the A-10..

 

Cheers

:thumbup:

 

I hope you do not think I was trash talking. I certainly did not post to just talk bad about a product. I post what I saw was wrong when compared to RL aircraft based on experience. I did not post anything to get a rise out of anyone.

 

In relation to A2A P-51.

I was and I am curios of it performance and how it relates to real life. The P-51 in the acceleration pack in the FSX is terrible. I can't get barely any speed at normal RPM and manifold pressures. So I was looking for number to compared. I still haven't seen a post with number. For example;

At 53 inches of manifold pressure at 2500 rpm I get 300 knots indicated at 10000 feet msl with no external load and forward tank with "x" many gallons aft tank with "x" gallons

That's the information I was hoping to get.

[vtsgoose1606687932]

mvsgas, the engine handling in the spit with accusim is one of if not the best i have seen in fsx, so i am sure the p51 accusim will be the same. You have my word on that;)

Edited August 2, 2011 by vtsgoose

[Bearitall]

In relation to A2A P-51.

I was and I am curios of it performance and how it relates to real life. The P-51 in the acceleration pack in the FSX is terrible. I can't get barely any speed at normal RPM and manifold pressures. So I was looking for number to compared. I still haven't seen a post with number.

 

 

A2A P-51D Mustang goes beyond the Stock FSX Mustang..if that is what answer you are looking for..I have flown both and the A2A Mustang is far more improved than the stock version..

 

So you flew the F-18 Hornet in real life..???

 

:thumbup:

 

Most of what I have learned about flight dynamic's is from a former US Naval Intructor..of how most planes should handle..

 

:joystick:

[mvsgas]

No pilot, mechanic.

So, can you make a video from the pit like the video for the P-47. THe one he show manifold pressures and RPM. and talks about speed limits, weigh limits.

Edited August 7, 2011 by mvsgas

[vtsgoose1606687932]

If you want you can check our their official trailer

Edited August 2, 2011 by vtsgoose

[Bearitall]

Yes tonight I will make a cockpit video after work, but bare in mind I am not affilated to A2A I run a Competition site as my sig shows...and I am at this time not the best video editor around but trying my best at it..practice makes perfect or close to it...

Edited August 2, 2011 by Bearitall

[mvsgas]

If you want you can check our their official trailer

 

Thanks

[mvsgas]

Yes tonight I will make a cockpit video after work, but bare in mind I am not affilated to A2A I run a Competition site as my sig shows...and I am at this time not the best video editor around but trying my best at it..practice makes perfect or close to it...

 

Thanks you very much, I just need to look at the panel just to see how it looks like. Obviously I'm very grateful if you could show this. The only things I wanted to know from the beginning is comparison numbers so I can see how does it compare. Empeck, already stetted that is not going to be 100%, but no one has link a video for the P-51 in cockpit with close ups of engine instrument so it's hard to see and compare, and I just curious.

Something like this would be great

[empeck]

Empeck, already stetted that is not going to be 100%, but no one has link a video for the P-51 in cockpit with close ups of engine instrument so it's hard to see and compare, and I just curious.

 

Please note there are two A2A P-51s we're talking about. Older model is already available for several years, and the next one is still in development. Older is not as realistic as Accusim Spitfire from the video I've posted earlier, but it was the best FSX could do at it's time.

 

New one will be much better. Accusim is A2A proprietary module that runs outside of FSX, and is far above FSX engine and propeller simulation.

[Ramstein]

Oleg totally screwed the pooch with his verison of the P-51.. how does this run compared to that bungled mess?

[Bearitall]

Oleg totally screwed the pooch with his verison of the P-51.. how does this run compared to that bungled mess?

 

I assume you are referring to Oleg of IL-2?

 

Well I've flown the P-51 Mustang in IL-2, as its okay its nothing so far compare to this version of A2A P-51D Mustang..but should be even far superiour with the P-51D Accu-Sim version once its released...looking forward to it...

[menendezdiego]

Should have gotten the Warbirdsim's P-51D 'Little Friends'

 

Kicks the pants off the A2A Mustang...for the time being (accusim model coming soon)