rextar Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) The reason... 450+mph.http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/2903/ypwe1.jpg Trim tab fails. High G nose up attitude because of broken trim tab. Pilot blacks out, seat collapses, etc... Pretty much spells it out. This is not the only thing ive noted that has gone wrong, in a few other pics there is a burst of steam/smoke from behind where the radiator intake should be (has been removed for streamlining i guess) which can be seen in another pic posted here, and also in another picture the tail wheel has extended. To me it seems it could be that something has blown out, throwing bits that have damaged other parts of the a/c, such as the trim tab and tail wheel locking mechanism. Edited September 18, 2011 by rextar Intel i5 3.2 ghz 8 GB crucial ram gtx 660 superclocked 2gb 500watt corsair psu win7 64bit extreme pro track ir5 Turtle beach x12
AeroOrange Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) RIP good souls. And I hope the survivors find some peace as well. I love air shows - such a tragedy to see this involve so many people. This seems to be what happened to me. With the photo of the pilot not visible it seems that the tab broke and caused it to pitch up and black him out due to the high G that could have easily blacked out all but a fighter pilot or racing pilot. No question about it, by time that plane hits the ground, Jimmy is already gone.. They question is, when did he black out / seize. If the accounts of witnesses there are distilled down, it sounds as if the high nose / high g attitude put the plane on course off the race track towards the crowd, but where he was able to still have his hands on the stick. "He tried to pull up at the last minute." If that is indeed the case, he was pulling through a nasty inverted loop, and that could g-loc anyone... ...one video post above shows the plane trying to fight and roll back AFTER violently rolling and inverting - the initial hard nose up and rollover that is- its got to be human intervention there, no? - but then everything seems to go neutral stick (did linkage break or jimmy black for a fraction of a second or for good?), and the plane dove inverted, swinging through the loop to 60 degrees right-side up on impact (could happen without the pilot on the stick, and still look like he was trying to pull through). ...but I would argue the first pitch up and inversion at 450+ put major g's on you.... and you don't have much time to get out of it and recover at that altitude as you START to black out, or go out altogether. and still, if you did fight through and recover, how much could you possibly do in 4-6 seconds aside pull through a loop and die so you could avoid hitting spectators... or, he was out the whole time after the initial violent load. Speculate all you want. That pic has no pilot - to me that says everything about what happened here, yet still leaves us with out a real answer. Edited September 18, 2011 by AeroOrange Win 11 9700k, RTX2080, 32 GB DDR5. Track This! I'm taking donations for a new graphics card!
EtherealN Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 One note: news reports here say he did infact make a call to the ATC in the immediate prelude to the incident. They haven't said what the call was though, but the report implies that it was related to a malfunction. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
AeroOrange Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 (edited) One note: news reports here say he did infact make a call to the ATC in the immediate prelude to the incident. They haven't said what the call was though, but the report implies that it was related to a malfunction. prelude to crashing or to losing control? hard to believe he would have enough time to make call after losing control or while in that state as it happened so fast... but these guys are good. Also beckons the theory as noted already by rextar here in this thread that its not just the elevator trim tab... Edited September 18, 2011 by AeroOrange Win 11 9700k, RTX2080, 32 GB DDR5. Track This! I'm taking donations for a new graphics card!
MagnumHB Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Don't just assume the news is correct either, seems like they rarely know what they're talking about when the topic is aviation.Rarely? More like never. Mainstream media outlets and the general public are completely clueless about aviation topics. Luckily we have sources such as this current ANN article to go by.
Vekkinho Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 .There was another incident/crash in USA with T-28 crashing during airshow- [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Pilotasso Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 another terrible year for aviation... .
power5 Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Yeah, WV had an accident as well. From what I have read, planes did not contact each other. Looks like pilot stops controlling aircraft 3/4 through the roll. :cry: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Aaron i7 2600k@4.4ghz, GTX1060-6gb, 16gb DDR3, T16000m, Track IR5 BS2-A10C-UH1-FC3-M2000-F18C-A4E-F14B-BF109
VMFA117_Poko Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I saw crash on airshow on my own eyes (spooky, sad and unpleasant feeling) but here plane hit the grand stand... Geez! Horrifying accident. :(
Panp Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) The smoke from the P51 was and is caused by a boil off cooling system that was installed for racing. If you look closely at this aircraft you will see that it does not have a standard cooling scoop and coolant control mechanisim under the center of the wing, as a standard p51 would have. If you do not see smoke with a system like this, you have a problem! See this link at 3:10 for the boil off cooling system in action on Galloping Ghost http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXu2GfT9WcI Edited September 20, 2011 by Panp
mikoyan Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 What I read was that that mustang was a very good contender to win; sadly it never got the chance. Can the missing trim tap create roll movement while pulling up? I wonder if the difference of area on the elevator can cause a roll on airplanes like the mustang? How does the boil cooling system works?
titanium Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 New theory on the crash: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/us-22424932/new-theory-on-cause-of-deadly-nevada-air-race-crash-26676296.html#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fus-22424932%252Fnew-theory-on-cause-of-deadly-nevada-air-race-crash-26676296.html 1 I am the alpha and the omega
AeroOrange Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) I hear now that he never made that call - its was misreported... such s a shame - who to believe. and this recently as well in WSJ "Investigators suspect that the failure of that tab jerked the plane upward so sharply that a stunned Mr. Leeward, 74, was pushed back in his seat by gravitational forces many times his normal weight and likely may have lost consciousness. Preliminary indications are that Mr. Leeward didn't manipulate the controls or the throttle during the final climb and plunge." goes on to cite telemetry specs were reported to the tower in real time wirelessly... that seat had to snap as told by the mechanic in that link titanium. Edited September 21, 2011 by AeroOrange Win 11 9700k, RTX2080, 32 GB DDR5. Track This! I'm taking donations for a new graphics card!
leafer Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/21/reno-air-crash-video_n_974649.html new footage. scary. ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P
mikoyan Posted September 23, 2011 Posted September 23, 2011 there is a closer view on youtube; still horrible stuff that is why I didn't posted it. 1
Laurius Posted September 24, 2011 Author Posted September 24, 2011 Hi, Mikoyan, that's good you didn't link the video. I saw the video available on the RJG website right after I started this thread. I was really upset since it shows the aftermaths of the crash from very close. I was not the only one as you could see very negative reactions from the readers against the RJG for having put such a video online at that moment. I think there's no need to post further video of this tragedy and let's wait for the investigation conclusions Asus P8Z68 Deluxe, Intel Core i7-2600K (3.4 GHz), Corsair Vengeance 2x4096 Mo DDR3 1866 MHz, SSD 120 Go Vertex 2, EVGA GeForce GTX 970 FTW ACX 2.0 4Go (04G-P4-2978-KR), TM HOTAS Warthog #03797 (MB replaced), Saitek Combat Pro Rudder, TrackIR 5, TM Cougar MFDs with Lilliput 8" UM 80
mvsgas Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 NTSB Accident report https://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2012/AAB1201.pdf To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
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