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[Pilotasso]

I have an Idea! To further add to online team strategy we could perhaps use a small screen to show the positions of friendly planes on the map. Specialy if RWR or AWACS is present. Real planes use this. In adition we could see bandits locked and fired upon by friendlies. Remeber F-22 TAW by DID? It would be a similar thing.

 

Is this possible? I mean if you can export all object data, you can certainly use the app to filter them out, showing only those I mentioned to prevent cheating.

 

Say an A-10 cries for cover. A F-15 sees his position on the map (we could even see his calsign for instantly locating him) From the moment that F-15 gets bandits on scope, all his team mates sees that bandit on the map.

 

This would probably end air quake lone "bravados" and give more team play spirit.

[GGTharos]

It's not a finished app yet, and yes display will be sizeable and more

configurable eventually..

 

About the locked TGT info well some might consither that a cheat, and therefore I'm NOT going there as of yet.. But as the idea is out let's wait and

see what the community thinks about that..

 

Nah, real aircraft have the 'captains bars' bullseye displayed as well (this way you can report bullseye info on a contact). All it would do in this case is report the bullseye of the locked target - so you have to lock onto him first. You may need some logic to cope with jammers though ... prefferably in the export.lua.

 

There is ONLY one way as far as I know to make this work for all

run app on same pc that runs FC and set the Server export file to serve the

export.lua in the archive with host set to Localhost, that way you may export to same PC but not to a second one and you will have to use the

same export as the server as it's forcing it on you, only other way right now

is disable server export restrictions..

 

Using it on the same PC is fine, esp. if the window was transparent and its used in windowed mode.

 

OR I would have to write a small export server wich can forward the locked export from lockon to a second PC in your local area netw.

As i see it now That is the solution to the CHEAT hysteria going around this

bullseyesystem right now,

 

THat's just what I was thinking, too. It's not hysteria btw, it's pretty darn easy to cheat - doesn't even take any work or imagination.

 

So what i need to do is :

let Lomac servers use my export.lua file with host set to localhost

(any client has to use that export file i.e. no cheatings)

write a TCP server app to forward the exported info to a second pc, if that

is where you want the system to be runned, Or just use the system

on same pc if two monitors (no need to forward pacages then)

 

Hmm I suppose I strayed a bit off here :) LOL I was set to answer you'r

quiery but started rambling on about my ideas :)

 

Well done ;)

[169th_Crusty]

So, forgetting the "locked target" info, I can correctly assume that there`s

no way to point some "overlay captain`s bars" to a specific target on a radar display and getting the bullseye ref (without hecking into .exe)... or is there?

Then again... locked target info wouldn`t be that bad (in spite of all the jamming probs.)

[GGTharos]

Correct, AFAIK there's no way to do this - unelss the position of the captain's bars are being exported, and I don't think they are.

 

If your target's jamming, the proper way to handle it is for the locked target bullseye to display nothing, or just a bearing from your aircraft to the target.

[jabog32_zillion]

The utilities for 'cheating' are already widely available (the awacs consoles) ... so I don't see any public servers disabling their exports for this.

 

damnit, i hope u dont mean my atc tool...

 

server export can be turned on and off only by the server AFAIK, since i haven't read the whole thread, correct me if I'm wrong...

 

Clients can only export local instrument data and stuff like that... again correct me if i'm wrong...

 

zillion

[GGTharos]

Yours and Brothers'. Used normally they cannot be used for cheating in the simple cases, but with the export.lua turned off on the server side, they can be.

[jabog32_zillion]

can you explain that.

 

Are you saying that if you turn off the export on the server side, the clients can export the data for other players ?

 

????

 

dont get it....

 

 

zillion

[GGTharos]

If you disable the export file on the server side (more specifically, disable the server-side enforcement of the export file) then the clients can export anything they wish.

[Fox_one]

After doing some test's tonight the Bullseye system will be somewhat modified

or rather it's going to get a small app in addition wich will reside on the Client

pc connected to the server, this app will forward the exported data to

the bullseye application, this way you can put the export.lua enforcing

back on the server and allow the clients ONLY to export what you want them to

 

I am doing it this way because

1. cheating in LUA is off since server pushes it's export file

2. if you do not have 2 monitors and want to use a 2nd pc you need

a way to get the exports from "localhost" to your bullseye system

 

So this will be the way to go for a 2 pc setup :

run the forwarder app on the Lockon pc, then run he Bullseye thingy

on the second one... go back and run lockon online

server will ENFORCE export to localhost only and only the data in the

servers Export file will be exported..

 

For a 1 pc 2 monitor set just run the Bullseye app on the pc running lockon

 

Work is started on the forwarder and hopefully I'll get it done by the end of

this week....

 

Hope this will be to everyone's satisfaction ;)

[GGTharos]

Sounds grand ;)

[Fox_one]

Humm this happened a bit faster then expected ;)

169th Bullseyesystem V2.1.1.2 is out ....

Server now forces it's export.lua so no cheating with lua anymore..

For download link see first post in this thread !!

 

USAGE :

This program should come with an "export.lua" file

copy it to lockon/config/export directory (it's only in use in offline flying) !!

 

 

Single PC with 2 monitor procedure :

Start the Bev2.exe and leave it running on the second monitor

Lockon will start export to it as soon as you enter the cockpit !

 

Single PC with a character LCD display on a com port :

Start Bev2.exe and configure the LCD display then hit

the "send to LCD" checkbox, It's now transmitting to your serial LCD

Lockon will start export to it as soon as you enter the cockpit !

 

2 Pc's usage :

Start the bev2.exe on the second PC and leave it running

Start the "BevForwarder.exe" on the pc running lockon and enter

the IP adress of you'r second pc, then press connect and you

should now see a green connected light in it, and on the bev2 on the

second pc it will now say something like "bevforwarder connected"

Now start lockon and fly online :)

 

MIND YOU !!!!

This will only work if the server has the export.lua that comes with the

program installed !!!!!

 

THX AND GREETS

To 169th ICE for the kind use of his maps ;)

 

 

HELP wanted :

If any of you users know how to make an overlay like the Fraps framecounter

that would be of great interest, as it would make this system more accessible

for those not fortunate enough to have two PC's or screens etc...

If you know how and feel like contributing contack me at the panthers forums..

 

 

DISCLAIMER :

Use at own risk. It works for me and a number of fellow Panthers, this does

not mean it will work for you, only tested on WinXP SR2.

It will NOT work on W2000. (sorry)

If anything happens to your hardware/software it's entirely your problem

I can not be held responsible for any problems !!

 

169th Fox. 2005.

[GGTharos]

Fox, google 'directx dll injection'

 

Additional: I suggest making a lua.export *snippet* which can be incorporated into export.lua for things like the awacs console utilities, and being able to send to different ip/port from those utilities. Then you can have the best of all worlds in a way, esp. if the utilities implement a bullseye option ;)

[Fox_one]

Fox, google 'directx dll injection'

 

Additional: I suggest making a lua.export *snippet* which can be incorporated into export.lua for things like the awacs console utilities, and being able to send to different ip/port from those utilities. Then you can have the best of all worlds in a way, esp. if the utilities implement a bullseye option ;)

 

 

Sounds interesting, could you please elaborate on that ? what exactly did you have in mind ?

[GGTharos]

INstead of replacing the entire export.lua, maybe work out some sort of standard with say, Zillion and Brothers so that instead of replacing the export.lua for every single app, you can instead have a 'standardized' export.lua to which additional things to be exported can be easily added.

[Tracker]

Brothers ATC wont allow cheating

 

Yours and Brothers'. Used normally they cannot be used for cheating in the simple cases, but with the export.lua turned off on the server side, they can be.

 

The Brothers ATC client is unusable unless its server program is running in tandem on the LOMAC server.

 

In other words, if you join a MP game, fire up the ATC server and client on your machine it will fail regardless of "turning off" the export.lua server push.

 

In short, the server must be hosting both lomac and ATC for it to work. :cool:

[jabog32_zillion]

If you disable the export file on the server side (more specifically, disable the server-side enforcement of the export file) then the clients can export anything they wish.

 

didn't know that...

well it was definitly never a problem on our dedi server because the export was constantly running since may 2005 :)

 

Since many from my squad have asked me about it, I will connect the ATC tool's internal bullseye function to a small tool of our own for each client with a second monitor and/or computer.

Will take some time though +

we wont have no fancy LCD display support :(

 

good work fox

[Fox_one]

INstead of replacing the entire export.lua, maybe work out some sort of standard with say, Zillion and Brothers so that instead of replacing the export.lua for every single app, you can instead have a 'standardized' export.lua to which additional things to be exported can be easily added.

 

Mmmm I see what you are getting at, Idea is not bad, but it might pose

some troubles, for Servers wanting ONLY one thing and not even the remote possibility for the other :)

 

But I think it is possible/doable but then again you will need the server to

export all parameters for all the apps, it's supposed to support export for...

and that may again open for cheat's....

 

Thx Zillion ;)

[33 309th_Hedgehog]

Hardware Question: does this work with all of the Matrix Orbital LCD and

Crystal Fontz devices?

 

Plug them in and ready to go?

 

Looks like great work. Will test it theese days.

[33 309th_Hedgehog]

@Fox: I have a suggestion: instead (or beside) of typing in the coordinates, do you think it is possible to read in a file with format: <description><Lat.><Long> and display that in your Bullseye Origin list?

 

So you don't have to "hard code" for example the "Mt. Cougar" and the community can write a list of airbases, mountains and so on which will be selectable in the system.

[Cougar]

If you want an LCD, go ahead with the Matrix USB version, works like a charm.

[Ice]

169th Fox has worked extremely hard these last few weeks on the 169th Bullseye software.

 

I thought this is a nice way to say thankyou LoMan Addon

 

Here it comes out the hangar nice and new..

 

[Cougar]

@Fox: I have a suggestion: instead (or beside) of typing in the coordinates, do you think it is possible to read in a file with format: <description><Lat.><Long> and display that in your Bullseye Origin list?

 

So you don't have to "hard code" for example the "Mt. Cougar" and the community can write a list of airbases, mountains and so on which will be selectable in the system.

 

Im not Fox, but IMO to put time coding and collecting all the info wouldnt be worth it. We can come up with 100 000 places to set a Bullseye and I doubt anyone will use them all, once the bullseye program is started and lomac is up you can change at anytime the lat and long and it will update itself and suit better your need in the area youre flying. but its up to the master to decide what he wanna do ;)

 

Just my half cent.

[33 309th_Hedgehog]

I didn't mean to collect all possible spots in one file. I thought, that you could prepare that file before an online mission with the spots you will need there (your waypoints, your airfield, near airfields and so on).

During the Mission: how will you get (in a short time during flight) the coordinates out of the map and in the bullseye system?

 

But it was just a suggestion. Maybe not even worth to discuss any longer ;-)

[GGTharos]

No, this was a great idea - although it will change the bullseye app to a nav app. ;)

[33 309th_Hedgehog]

What I do not understand: how does this work in network/ multiplayer environment?

My forwarder prog does not receive data from my lockon when I connect to a server.

 

1. the server must although change export.lua?

2. what else?