pbohart Posted September 26, 2005 Posted September 26, 2005 I am thinking about buying the Track IR 3 Pro because I am horrible at POV/Padlock usage within the game. Here is my question: do I really need both the Track IR 3 Pro AND the vector expansion? Is the Vector expansion only nice to have, or is it really required to have a positive user experience? I am sure the vector expansion is nice to have, but is it really a necessity?
BullsEye Posted September 26, 2005 Posted September 26, 2005 at the moment i suggest you to buy only the trackir 3 pro. The Zoom features is not so usefull.
ViperVJG73 Posted September 26, 2005 Posted September 26, 2005 I am thinking about buying the Track IR 3 Pro because I am horrible at POV/Padlock usage within the game. Here is my question: do I really need both the Track IR 3 Pro AND the vector expansion? Is the Vector expansion only nice to have, or is it really required to have a positive user experience? I am sure the vector expansion is nice to have, but is it really a necessity? You should buy TrackIr 3 and no Pro Version! This is a lower cost $99,95 and has same function. Vector Expansion are working later in 1.2 in full 6 Degrees of Freedom with the Vector Expansion! You can lean, look, shrug, duck, zoom, and twist in your seat, and the simulation will precisely move the view accordingly! Best Regards Viper System: Intel Core i7-4790, 3,6GHz, 16GB RAM, 128GB SSD, 2TB HDD, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 2GB GDDR5, TM HOTAS Warthog;(MSFFB2 for testing); TrackIR4 +Track Clip Pro; Windows 10 Pro.
VapoR Posted September 26, 2005 Posted September 26, 2005 I have a TrackIR 3 pro and I love it, but I didn't get the vector expansion. But apparently with the vector the whole experience is a bit more stable, there is less chance of the trackIR losing the dot. Also, I understand that with the vector when you shift your head side-to-side in the current Lomac, that it won't turn your view, with just a dot this will turn the view. So basically it will be less likely to pick up your accidental movements if you have trouble staying still.
Sleek Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 i got both TIR PRO3 anhd VE, work great together..had a minor prob installing.. but support is good...check my install probs here..http://forums.naturalpoint.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=24&t=000008&p=7#000170 All works great now after that NPregfix :cool: Be Good..Be Strong..:drink: ;)
Gazehound Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 I have a question regarding TIR.... How are you supposed to see the monitor when youve turned your head to look out the side of the canopy? I guess the angles are scaled - but you will still have to turn some while tracking the screen with your eyes - is this natural or do you have to practice until it feels normal? VVS504 Red Hammers
zorlac Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 Gazehound... you *DONT* have a TIR? :icon_excl :icon_excl :icon_excl crikey!!
suntrace1 Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 I have a question regarding TIR.... How are you supposed to see the monitor when youve turned your head to look out the side of the canopy? I guess the angles are scaled - but you will still have to turn some while tracking the screen with your eyes - is this natural or do you have to practice until it feels normal? Movements are so subtile, that they instantly become your second nature. You move your head an inch at most, belive me, you wont even know that you're moving your head. After you'll get it - and you WILL get it, if you're seeking for ultimate flying immersion - you'll be prepared to sell one of your eyes, if it ever breaks down!!! And that is not an overstatment.
355th_Paulie Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 I cant fly without it, as for the vector exp. it stabliezes the whole experience. TiR is a must have, weather you fly A/A or A/G. :icon_jook :D
Prophet_169th Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 When I first used it, I got motion sick from turning my head and eyes to keep on screen. Lasted a few hours until I adapted. And the more you use it, the more you can scale the curves so you move your head less.
Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 I aint got it, but i used it for like 30 minutes at my buddys and holy poop, it just felt so right. it just brought the game/s to that next level...
suntrace1 Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 I remember this one instance, when i flew A-10 in a turn, 30m from ground and turned my head to take a look at the ground to see my target - i almost falled from my chair from the reflex move my body made. What a shock! I strap myself to it now, lol. edit: EVIL-SCOTSMAN, you just bought 3rd 7800gtx, have 2 uber-pc's and still didn't purchase TIR?! Why, the he11, not?!
Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 tbh, i have always meant to get one, but i forget about it til its brought up in a post etc, dont think cuz i got 3 78s i r rich, cuz i am not. some people buy cars, i r banned so money on cars = useless to me :( so i buy pc and other stuff I presume at one point i will get one, but even tho it does has its benefits, i really dont see it as a must have item, i can fly, kill and die as good as any other flyer with tir. but one day i will get one....
suntrace1 Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 Don't get me wrong, i didn't say you're rich, but i did think you're into gettin as much as you can from your hardware. I don't belive you can be just as good as someone with TIR, you have to use your fingers keep your enemy in your sight or chech your radar, when all i need to do is turn my head and with my free hand, i can choose what weapon to employ in given situation. Not to mention Boresight (ninja-mode :D) in Su/Mig. But hey, i heard some people (was it IRONHAND) still fly with keyboard. May i add, that i'm not paid by NaturalPoint.
Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 i use x45 and mouse and 1 of the 3 hats for lookin about cockpit and lockin onto stuff in helmet sights etc, mouse does me fine... its kinda second nature to move the hat while selecting weapon and tryin to move the cursor so it locks onto a signal all basically at the same time.... i only use the mouse for fast looks to the side or when in helmet mode to fine tune the lockon process as the hats are useless at it imho... and on throttle i use small button for centre view so that i can go back to centre in a hurry, so it is very fast to look about n stuff, maybe not as fast as tir, but just cuz whoever uses tir, dont mean they are better flyers. all tir does, is allows you to view, it doesnt fly the aircraft or lockon to targets for you...
suntrace1 Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 I respect your choice EVIL-SCOTSMAN, with k/b i inclined that people should use whatever sutes them most. I never got along with mouse, hat switch and padlock, they have always irretated me - so many keypresses just for looking around.
Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN Posted September 27, 2005 Posted September 27, 2005 ah dont get me wrong, i at times, hate the hats for being slow, but they do the job, the mouse comes in basiclly for back up for me anyway, if the hats are taking there time in doing something i will just reach like 10 centimetres for the mouse and nugde it into the direction i need the view to go, but apart from that its ok i suppose, i do know that once people have used TIR then they never go back to hats, but as i have only used it once and built my own headset with a led for a stupid webcam faker of tir then i havent really had anything to miss, as the faker was poor and the tir i did use , i had only used it for 30 minutes max. so i guess it does me, as for padlock i dont use it, i did use it like ages ago, but i kept dieing because the view would stay padlocked and not go back to centre, so i binned it. chaff/flare hit the deck is what i do, or if i really know where the missle is coming from i mix it up and pray that i dodge it, all mixed with copious amounts of chaff and a few flares to suit taste, and sprinkle a touch of ecm on top...
pbohart Posted September 28, 2005 Author Posted September 28, 2005 Thanks for the input, but... I havent really gotten any conclusive answers. 1. Is the VE really necessary? Yes or no. Seems like "No". 2. Does LOMAC support 6 full DOF in 1.1 FC?
Invicta Posted September 28, 2005 Posted September 28, 2005 1. Is the VE really necessary? Yes or no. Seems like "No". No (see below) 2. Does LOMAC support 6 full DOF in 1.1 FC? No. Lockon 1.1 supports pitch, yaw and zoom. HOWEVER..... Lockon 1.2 will support 6 full DOF at least for the KA50. For the jets you won't need VE but if you intent to fly the chopper I would suggest you buy it. If you are gonna fly the KA50 I suggest you buy the VE set now and save you the costs of additional shipment, and take advantage of the zoom option in 1.1 (Which you won't get without VE). I myself did get TIR3 Pro (with VE) and I don't know how I could ever fly without it. Get TIR3 Pro, and get VE if you want to use it to its fullest, for many years to come.
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