104th GUNZO & BFM Mission

[104th_Maverick]

 



 

 

GUNZO AND BFM

 

The 104th proudly gives you a GUNZO & BFM training mission with NO STATS hosted on our Dedicated Server daily until approx 17:00z for an initial trial period of 1 week!

 

Details below:

 

GUNZ AND BFM ONLY!

 

Rules:

 

DO NOT CHANGE PAYLOAD!

DO NOT FIRE BEFORE THE FIRST MERGE!

DO NOT ATTACK SOMEONE ELSE'S TARGET WITHOUT ASKING!

HAVE FUN!

 

There are NO external views or labels... you MUST co-ordinate using the chat and selecting the appropriate aircraft to your opponent!

 

All aircraft start in the air and are clearly marked for the role they play eg GUNZO, HEATERS and FURBALL and against what opponent!

 

Gunzo Aircraft are 1vs1 separated by approx 15-20 nm

 

Heater Aircraft are 1vs1 separated by approx 20-25 nm

 

Furball Aircraft all have the SAME bullseye, there are NO rules in the Furball with regards to players vs players. If you enter the Furball as the only F-15 with 3 opposing fighters.... prepare to get bullied!

 

GUNZO & BFM is now loaded onto the server rotation and is ready to rock!

 

Good luck... see you in the Furball

 

S!

 

THANKS TO E.D FOR THE AWESOME PICTURE ALL RIGHTS BELONG TO THEM!

 

 

Note to all:

For a BFM mission with NO RULES regarding shooting BEFORE the merge... please look up the "Gun'N'Roses Arena"server

Edited June 1, 2012 by [Maverick]

[NRG-Vampire]

Is it for FC2 users ?

 

or for Pre-FC3-DCS-World users ? ;)

[Sov13t]

Was fun yesterday, except it was much later than 1700z :thumbup:

[FLANKERATOR]

BFM! Great initiative..also nice to have a warm up period ;)

[104th_Maverick]

Vampire this is for FC2 sir.

 

The 104th intend to have similar missions ready for FC3 / DCS world when it arrives on the scene full blown!

 

From time to time this week if our regular missions are not popular in the evening we will again be running this BFM mission.

 

It is great fun and a really good way to sharpen those skills... everyone so far is having a good time .... key thing is this mission is NOT about winning or losing... but about learning why you lost or won to get better at BFM

 

Mav

 

S!

[Dell_Murrey-RUS]

;1470062']Rules:

 

DO NOT FIRE BEFORE THE FIRST MERGE!

DO NOT ATTACK SOMEONE ELSE'S TARGET WITHOUT ASKING!

 

 

Very BIG LOL.

Guys, why do you put the restrictions in the fighting?

In war there are no rules. Shoot - if there is a possibility. Beat those who are weaker.

Your rules are very childish with that rule.

 

If you server have "fullreal mode", what about Integrity Checking?

What files on check?

[NRG-Vampire]

Very BIG LOL.

 

Your rules are very childish with that rule.

 

If you server have "fullreal mode", what about Integrity Checking?

What files on check?

 

First Rule ! DO NOT BRING YOUR HACKED X-WING FIGHTER :D

[104th_Maverick]

Murrey,

 

There are rules in the fighting because as I mentioned sir this mission is NOT about winning or losing.

It is more of a 'training' server for BFM. There are no stats running so people should not get to caught up in their 'score' in the mission.

 

This mission was created to give people the chance (inc the 104th) to sharpen those BFM skills on a daily basis if they choose too.

 

Yes I appreciate in war there are no rules however again just to reiterate this mission is NOT based on winning and losing but is to provide an arena for people to 'learn' in, not finish top of the board.

 

There is no 'full real' mode on this mission sir.

 

The reason why there is no external views or maps is because again... this mission is for clients to practice BFM in a high threat environment (populated FC2 server). There are no 'very popular' servers in MP FC2 that have labels and view on.

All the servers with high traffic (more than 15-20 players) all run without Externals or Tags... which is why we have decided to do the same thing on our BFM mission.

 

We are running IC, however with the BFM mission there is not really a lot people can manipulate.

All aircraft start in the air right in front of each other. There are no missiles except heat seekers and our admins are always around to make sure no one is ruining it for other people or using stuff they should not be.

 

I hope that has answered your questions... I thank you for your comments.

 

Just one last time,

 

This mission is for people to TRAIN AT BFM.... not win at it ;)

 

Mav

 

S!

Edited May 31, 2012 by [Maverick]

[Dell_Murrey-RUS]

;1471065']Yes I appreciate in war there are no rules however again just to reiterate this mission is NOT based on winning and losing but is to provide an arena for people to 'learn' in' date=' not finish top of the board.[/quote']

 

I don't agree. If there is no desire for victory, a good education is hard to say.

And this is confirmed by the good score and the ratio of kill / death.

Kill/death - good objective result.

 

There is no 'full real' mode on this mission sir.

 

O_O And what about these words "The reason why there is no external views or maps is because again... this mission is for clients to practice BFM in a high threat environment (populated FC2 server)." ? :)

This is a fullreal mode. No extviews, no labels. No map. :)

 

All the servers with high traffic (more than 15-20 players) all run without Externals or Tags... which is why we have decided to do the same thing on our BFM mission.

 

:thumbup: I like it!

 

We are running IC' date=' however with the BFM mission there is not really a lot people can manipulate.[/quote']

 

Quite a lot. :)

 

But a lot of problems in the modes of fighters, often these modes change the flight model (aerodynamics, engine thrust, etc.). The virtual pilot has set such a fashion, or may not know it. However, such improvements in aerodynamics and thrust give a very big advantage, even in the very experienced fighter.

If you make a server for training, then everything should be in equal conditions. IC must be turn on for some files. Otherwise it may be a mess.

[104th_Maverick]

I don't agree. If there is no desire for victory, a good education is hard to say.

And this is confirmed by the good score and the ratio of kill / death.

Kill/death - good objective result.

 

 

I do share your thoughts on this matter however in this instance I'm afraid I need to ask you to agree to disagree!

 

I 100% agree with you that if there is no desire for victory, learning is difficult.

 

However I want to again reiterate this is a training mission sir, it is not a full blown MP mission with objectives and goals.

All the aircraft start in the air to give clients the fastest way of training at BFM.

 

I will take your comments on board and keep them in mind for future missions for FC3 / DCS world of the same nature, but with less emphasis on 'training' BFM and more geared towards 'winning' at BFM.

 

Unfortunately I/we can't create a mission that everyone is happy with, there are always going to be some people who will be let down with some elements of any mission.

What we have tried to create here is a platform for people to easily come in and out of, get some high adrenaline action then try to learn why they lost or won and try something different the next time.

 

So far it seems to be going well, but we are always looking for feedback so again... thanks for yours sir

 

Maverick

 

S!

 

Edit:

 

The IC issue.

You are again correct, this is a problem however we have been lucky enough not to have had any issues yet. As I mentioned one of our admins is more or less always around, we also have very experienced pilots in the 104th and also our regular 'customers' who fly in the server who will be able to spot / identify any clients who are manipulating the performance of their jet... so we will keep a close eye out.

I know that probably won't satisfy your concerns, however please have a little faith that we will police this mission so that is fair for all! Anyone found trying to 'manipulate' more performance from their plane will be looking at a lengthy BAN from the server!

Edited May 31, 2012 by [Maverick]

[Dell_Murrey-RUS]

;1471086']Unfortunately I/we can't create a mission that everyone is happy with' date=' there are always going to be some people who will be let down with some elements of any mission.[/quote']

 

I'm not talking about your mission, we're talking about the strange rules. :)

 

 

;1471086']The IC issue.

You are again correct, this is a problem however we have been lucky enough not to have had any issues yet. As I mentioned one of our admins is more or less always around, we also have very experienced pilots in the 104th and also our regular 'customers' who fly in the server who will be able to spot / identify any clients who are manipulating the performance of their jet... so we will keep a close eye out.

 

Wow. Ok.

Are you ready to talk about the methods to distinguish between the player with the standard aerodynamics and trust of the player with custom settings, and that your method would have at least 90% accuracy.

For example, a player install MOD of Su-27, increasing his draft on 5% of nominal. How are you going to see it?

 

;1471086']

I know that probably won't satisfy your concerns, however please have a little faith that we will police this mission so that is fair for all! Anyone found trying to 'manipulate' more performance from their plane will be looking at a lengthy BAN from the server!

 

You're going to ban a player who may not know that the MOD set another aerodynamics and trust? It turns out that you are letting the players play on your server with modifications, but they will banned for these modifications.

A very strange policy. Simply put specific files are responsible for the aerodynamics of aircrafts that have players with non-standard modifications, could not go to your server. :)

[104th_Maverick]

Alright Murrey,

 

I think I have been patient enough with you but you keep coming back with the same stuff.

 

THIS IS A TRAINING MISSION

 

ALL OTHER GUNZ SERVERS IN FC2 HAVE THE SAME RULES!!!!

 

DO NOT FIRE BEFORE THE FIRST MERGE!

 

Please GET OVER THIS! This IS NOT meant to be a mission with goals and targets... the rules are NOT strange ... they are the same as every other FC2 guns server.

 

Murrey please stop pointing out the same issues over and over again... I get it... your not happy.

 

What you don't get, is that this mission is NOT for people like you who want to go into BFM with NO rules. You seem to think this mission could be better because 'YOU' think having no rules will make it harder.... I will be very blunt here.... WE DONT.... AND IT'S OUR SERVER!

 

This is a TRAINING MISSION WITH RULES SO PEOPLE CAN LEARN BFM!

 

There are NO strange rules that you won't find in other servers like the RAF Akado server for example has the SAME rule.. no firing before the first merge.

 

On banning players... I really don't know why your making an issue of this.

Players will ONLY be banned if we can PROVE they are cheating.

 

If you feel you can ONLY fly in a server that has a extremely strict IC so there is no chance someone can modify their aircraft and get 5% more performance out of it ... then DON'T JOIN OURS!

 

If you are not happy with our set up you don't need to fly... you also don't need to consistently point out the same issues on this forum. If you have a problem with our IC then as I said find another server!

 

As I said this is a TRAINING MISSION so it is NOT about flying for 1 hour with a score of 10-0. Its about LEARNING new tricks and techniques that will help increase a pilots skills.

 

I have not had any issues with it and neither have any of our clients. Most of the people who fly 104th dont fly to cheat like in many of the Servers in FC2. The majority of people join the 104th to have fun with like minded people... we police the server as best we can and try to make it fair for everyone.

Traditionally we DO NOT have a big problem with the type of players your talking about.

 

It is NOT a very strange policy.... people who cheat are scumbags in my view simple as that.

Your not a bigger man / better pilot because you won the fight with a modded aircraft.

 

WE ARE NOT LETTING ANYONE PLAY ON THE SERVER WITH ANY MODIFICATIONS MURREY!!

 

I dont know where the hell your getting this from. Please stop coming out with random, incorrect statements that have no bearing on anything that I have mentioned before in the past.

 

PLEASE re-read the whole thread if you STILL don't get it, PLEASE find someone else who reads better English than you do (no offense) to explain it to you properly because I don't have a lot of patience left

 

This time I really..... REALLY... hope that answers your questions, I'm not going to answer you again unless you can bring something DIFFERENT to the table and not keep banging on about the same issues from post 1.

 

Note:

 

I have tried and tried to put myself in your position to see why this bothers you so much and the best I can do is this:

 

You seem to be worrying far to much about another clients ability to 'kill' you. You have even mentioned there are people out there that can get 5% extra out of their jet... I didnt even know that... you must have some types of friends that I dont.

 

Anyway my point is.... if your to caught up in dieing (getting shot down) by someone who is either cheating... or manipulating the game ... then please find SOMEWHERE else to fly... perhaps one of the Russian servers with really strict IC.

 

This BFM mission is not for people like you who take the 'score' to seriously... this mission IS ABOUT getting shot down and learning why that happened..... If a client thinks he's dead for unfair reasons ie the other guys cheating then we will look into it!

 

It really sounds to me like this mission is NOT for you Murrey... as I mentioned before we always welcome feedback.... But I'm afraid with yours it's getting to the point now where I'm wasting more energy answering the same questions than doing anything else productive with my day.

 

So I'll finish with this... No I am not ready to talk to you anymore about cheating or IC or the stupid people that spend hours hacking the game so they can cheat to win.

 

My new friend..... if you still don't like it...... then simply do not join our server, I'll shoot down someone else instead ;)

 

Mav

 

 

edit:

 

post incorrect..... For a BFM server with NO RULES regarding shooting before the first merge please find the "Gun'N'Roses Arena" server.

Edited June 1, 2012 by [Maverick]

[Dell_Murrey-RUS]

;1472055']I think I have been patient enough with you but you keep coming back with the same stuff.

 

I could not even dream that a simple discussion about your server and the rules, it may destabilize your condition. :)

 

;1472055']

ALL OTHER GUNZ SERVERS IN FC2 HAVE THE SAME RULES!!!!

 

DO NOT FIRE BEFORE THE FIRST MERGE!

 

Please do not say this for everyone. Write for yourself.

Because, as an example, our server "Gun'N'Roses Arena" does not have such rules as you, but also a training base for all players.

 

;1472055']Please GET OVER THIS! This IS NOT meant to be a mission with goals and targets... the rules are NOT strange ... they are the same as every other FC2 gunz server.

 

Don`t say this for everyone. :)

 

;1472055']Murrey please stop pointing out the same issues over and over again... I get it... your not happy.

 

Don`t dramatize the situation. I only wish that it would GunsOnly was a lot of servers, and with acceptable rules. And your rules just relax students. :)

 

;1472055']

This is a TRAINING MISSION WITH RULES SO PEOPLE CAN LEARN BFM!

 

Yeah Cap! Then teach them the reality of life. And not imaginary rules. ;)

 

;1472055']On banning players... I really don't know why your making an issue of this.

Players will ONLY be banned if we can PROOVE they are cheating.

 

Can you give an example of how to identify / prove that a particular player cheat parameter plane by 5% thrust?

 

;1472055']Your not a bigger man / better pilot because you won the fight with a modded aircraft.

 

Yes. But how some of gamers will learn BFM, if they can't won the duel with this MODER/CHEATER?

 

;1472055']WE ARE NOT LETTING ANYONE PLAY ON THE SERVER WITH ANY MODIFICATIONS MURREY!!

 

Groovy!! What files on checking? :)

 

;1472055']PLEASE re-read the whole thread if you STILL dont get it' date=' PLEASE find someone else who reads better English than you do (no offense) to explain it to you properly because I don't have a lot of patience left[/quote']

 

Нет проблем. Мы можем перейти на православный русский. Правда, думаю ты сломаешь себе мозг. Поэтому предлагаю продолжить на английском. :)

 

;1472055']This time I really..... REALLY... hope that answers your questions

 

Don't depressing. :)

I'm just a discussion with you.

[104th_Maverick]

AHHH OK NOW I GET IT!!!!!

 

 

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...... WE HAVE FINALLY REACHED THE BOTTOM OF THE ISSUES HERE!

 

 

DELL-MURREY RUSS HAS HIS OWN GUNZ SERVER!

 

Mate you should have just said that from your first post and saved me all this effort.

 

I am simply now going to cut this conversation off.... you can't tell me all your complaints / gripes are all from a neutral position.. if you have your own server and you think its better great!

 

Next time please don't sh!t all over my posts for 3 days... just come out and say your server has no rules on day one and you think that's better.

 

 

I appologise to you and all the people involved in creating and hosting your guns server, for saying that ALL guns servers have no firing before the first merge rule was wrong and based on incorrect information. I have never joined your server before and as a result I did not know this was the case.

I can see clearly now how this would be an issue and I will go back and edit my posts to let the community know that there is a guns server with no rules regarding firing before the merge... I hope we can leave this here and let the gunz / missiles do the talking in future sir!

 

Have a great day

 

S!

 

Note to all:

 

For a BFM server with NO RULES regarding shooting before the first merge please find the "Gun'N'Roses Arena" server.

 

:)

 

Ох, и только так вы знаете, у меня нет проблем с русским языком. Я жил в Москве в течение года, когда я играл за профессиональную команду пейнтбол бежал русского владельца банка. Я не просто красивое лицо знаете! (Google

алсо помочь) ;)

Edited June 1, 2012 by [Maverick]

[Dell_Murrey-RUS]

;1472105']DELL-MURREY RUSS HAS HIS OWN GUNZ SERVER!

 

You wrong. :)

G'N'R server one of private part by Smile Pilots Club (SPC).

Me - one of some members. :)

 

;1472105']Mate you should have just said that from your first post and saved me all this effort.

 

Because I don't administrating G'N'R server. :)

 

;1472105']I appologise to you and all the people involved in creating and hosting your guns server' date=' for saying that ALL guns servers have no firing before the first merge rule was wrong and based on incorrect information. I have never joined your server before and as a result I did not know this was the case.[/quote']

 

I hope you understand now why do not approve of all. But only speak for you. :)

 

;1472105']I can see clearly now how this would be an issue and I will go back and edit my posts to let the community know that there is a guns server with no rules regarding firing before the merge... I hope we can leave this here and let the gunz / missiles do the talking in future sir!

 

Frankly, I quoted the example of another server for its advertising. There is already quite a lot of players in the evenings and nights. Rather like what would your server has been on the level above many others.

 

;1472105']:)

 

Ох, и только так вы знаете, у меня нет проблем с русским языком. Я жил в Москве в течение года, когда я играл за профессиональную команду пейнтбол бежал русского владельца банка. Я не просто красивое лицо знаете! (Google

алсо помочь) ;)

 

Судя по построению предложений, проблемы все таки имеются. Но это не страшно, главное что общий смысл ясен. :)

 

P.S. Когда приедешь в Москву? Заскакивай в гости! ;)

[104th_Crunch]

We have ran a server for a very long time now, many years. Thanks for your suggestions. Cheating sucks ass, we deal with it as best we can. There are advantages amd disadvantages to increases in file checking. We choose what we do as a comprimise.

 

As mentioned, the current guns mission is for training, not about how many kills you can make. There is only 1 way to learn, that is practice. It is a practice mission. We have other missions and events that are setup for maximum allowable competition. This 1 mission is for practice. That is why there are no stats running for the guns mission.

 

I think some of this discussion is not going too well because of the lack of understanding of English. In the end we all have different preferences. That does not make one preference better than the other.

[Frostie]

I'm totally lost as to what the problem is here, Del murrey has his own gun server which he says is heavily populated and he enjoys, so why is he so concerned about another server running a gun mission with different rules and restrictions.

Fair enough it's nice of him to point out some potential pitfalls, but making out that there is only one way to run a gunzo, even just a practice sesh, is quite nauseating.

 

Just by the very nature of where this thread has gone I predict some very untoward attendees in the future. It would be nice if the Russian members of this forum kept there multiplayer issues in their own section of the forum because like most bad things just discussing it is infecting the community. The level of cheat discussions in the Russian forums is obscene and not becoming of an enjoyable experience for FC.

 

Talk of 5% extra power sounds of experience in the field and something that may or may not be akin with gunzo servers, what the 104th is doing is interesting for those like myself who have very little to do with gunzos and just want to have a kickabout. If cheats come then so be it, at the end of the day it's not necessarily about winning, just about learning, and if you can shoot down a guy with 5% extra power you must be learning fast.

[GGTharos]

Do you guys mind opening it up for tacview?

 

Learning tends to require tacview.

[Sov13t]

Do you guys mind opening it up for tacview?

 

Learning tends to require tacview.

 

:shocking: Is the legendary GGTharos hinting at flying??

[GGTharos]

Maybe I shouldn't if I want to stay 'legendary' ... thanks for bringing this up :shifty:

Edited June 1, 2012 by GGTharos

[104th_Maverick]

Do you guys mind opening it up for tacview?

 

 

I certainly do not sir no.

 

I will pass this request up our chain and post an update letting you know if it is possible or not and when we can (if we can) implement this for you!

 

Like I said gents... all feedback welcome... this mission is for YOU guys!

 

Murrey-

Yes I will 100% let you know if I ever return to Moscow sir and we'll grab a beer and an arm wrestle :smilewink:

Likewise.. if your life finds you traveling to Scotland... you give me a shout

 

S!

Edited June 1, 2012 by [Maverick]

[RIPTIDE]

The level of cheat discussions in the Russian forums is obscene and not becoming of an enjoyable experience for FC.

.

Yep. Some of focus of many of those forums and blogs is Dell-Murray himself. :megalol:

[PoleCat]

Do you guys mind opening it up for tacview?

 

Learning tends to require tacview.

 

Yes we can look into this. Sounds like a good idea.

 

The rest of this thread is really much ado about nothing.

 

Life is too short. :D

 

Out

[manfrez01]

I congratulate the dudes for the initiative.

What if I find sometimes very annoying is that every time you enter the server only gun, a guy does not respect the rules such as crossing (merge), and you get shot at the first opportunity, I think we should count on the server with any technique or a way to authenticate the user by the nickname, perhaps, and to obtain a degree of control acceptable to the fighting.

Perhaps one way to authenticate and ensure compliance with the rules would be through a pass obtained through TS ...

[104th_Crunch]

That's the downfall off adding extra rules of engagements, they have to be policed.