junae Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 Considering LOMAC stands for Lock On Modern Air Combat, is there any chances (in a future version) ED brings us the vector thrust SU35/37? I wonder how such an agile aircraft would feel with a high detailed AFM. Anybody knows if this aircraft is in ED's plans? =FN= Six o'Clock Member of Falcões da Noite Squadron Florianopolis :: Brazil
Gazehound Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 Not for Lockon - its the wrong era for the current game. Plus classification will be very tight for a long time I think. VVS504 Red Hammers
britgliderpilot Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 It's never been mentioned. Also consider that not all the information required to model it is in the public domain - i.e. you get arrested for spying if you model the aircraft correctly. Fun! :p http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
plug pray Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 In the next project may be a mig 29 K or a mig29 OVT. OVT- has a vectored thrust. Su35 doesnt(as far as i know)
junae Posted October 21, 2005 Author Posted October 21, 2005 Also consider that not all the information required to model it is in the public domain - i.e. you get arrested for spying if you model the aircraft correctly. Fun! :p LOL! Well, but let's put the things on the table: The F22 isn't operational yet and we already have some titles on the market... I know, I know! The F22 Raptor is for kids... it's a game not a simulator, that's not what I'm discussing, but it must be a highly classified project as the SU37. But there's something (a law for instance) that prevents the development of a simulator depicting such airplane? =FN= Six o'Clock Member of Falcões da Noite Squadron Florianopolis :: Brazil
plug pray Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 What i've posted here aint a joke(if questions occur). Ask ED.
junae Posted October 21, 2005 Author Posted October 21, 2005 In the next project may be a mig 29 K or a mig29 OVT. OVT- has a vectored thrust. Su35 doesnt(as far as i know) Well, i'm not sure 'bout the 35... but the 37 has. =FN= Six o'Clock Member of Falcões da Noite Squadron Florianopolis :: Brazil
Yellonet Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 LOL! Well, but let's put the things on the table: The F22 isn't operational yet and we already have some titles on the market... I know, I know! The F22 Raptor is for kids... it's a game not a simulator, that's not what I'm discussing, but it must be a highly classified project as the SU37. But there's something (a law for instance) that prevents the development of a simulator depicting such airplane?Of course there's no law against making games with aircraft in them :rolleyes: The company manufacturning the aircraft could possibly demand a license fee though. But if everything [detailed] about the aircraft is secret, how could you make the game realistic? And if the aircraft isn't even in service yet, personally, I don't find it fun to have in a game. I want to play with "real" planes. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
junae Posted October 21, 2005 Author Posted October 21, 2005 Of course there's no law against making games with aircraft in them :rolleyes: The company manufacturning the aircraft could possibly demand a license fee though. But if everything [detailed] about the aircraft is secret, how could you make the game realistic? And if the aircraft isn't even in service yet, personally, I don't find it fun to have in a game. I want to play with "real" planes. I thought it was already operational in Russia... Have to agree with you, that would be a bit "fantasy" to fly ... LOL But someday... Who knows? This bird must be sweet!! =FN= Six o'Clock Member of Falcões da Noite Squadron Florianopolis :: Brazil
bflagg Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 LOL! Well, but let's put the things on the table: The F22 isn't operational yet and we already have some titles on the market... I know, I know! The F22 Raptor is for kids... it's a game not a simulator, that's not what I'm discussing, but it must be a highly classified project as the SU37. But there's something (a law for instance) that prevents the development of a simulator depicting such airplane? The F22 is fully operational and is being delivered to US airbases now. There is no law that I'm aware of that would inhibit one to make a computer simulation of any aircraft (except for licensing fee's for likeness's). Modeling classified material in a sim is a very different story and the men with black hats and rubber hoses will come visiting....(with the real pain killers in tow... the lawyers! Thanks, Brett
britgliderpilot Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 In the next project may be a mig 29 K or a mig29 OVT. OVT- has a vectored thrust. Su35 doesnt(as far as i know) Wrong aircraft ;) The OVT is the brand spanking new one, and is not that one that would be modelled. IIRC it was the SMT that they were talking about . . . . slightly older spec level, no TVC. The easiest combination would be the MiG29K and MiG29M . . . . since they're basically the same airframe/avionics package ;) (Awaits further information and well-justified drooling from Alfa :p ) The Su35 is not in service. Some examples exist, but it is not an operational fighter with the Russian air force . . . . and neither is it ever intended to be. The Russians are currently upgrading their Su27s, but sticking with the same airframe. The F/A-22 Raptor, on the other hand, is rolling off the production line and being delivered to squadrons. Whether it's in service or currently undergoing operational test and evaluation/training depends entirely on how you want to read it. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Pilotasso Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 TVC is very cute to fly in a PC (even more in RL) I remember playing TAW (F-22 ADF) and it allowed extreme manuevers. Very fun. The only problem with it was that the team coding it had no access to info on how TVC nozzles were adjusted automaticaly by FBW and thus it could only be enabled if you hold down a specific key. The reason why it wasnt on all the time is because the plane would sink in AOA during pitch in any speed below 450 KTs. .
Alfa Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 Wrong aircraft ;) The OVT is the brand spanking new one, and is not that one that would be modelled. IIRC it was the SMT that they were talking about . . . . slightly older spec level, no TVC. The easiest combination would be the MiG29K and MiG29M . . . . since they're basically the same airframe/avionics package ;) (Awaits further information and well-justified drooling from Alfa :p ) :biggrin: You are absolutely right Britglider - the MiG-29M and MiG-29K are basically two sides to the same aircraft :) . On the "OVT", This aircraft is in fact the final MiG-29M(9-15) prototype of the six produced - hence the bort # "156"(9-15-6), which was refitted with TVC engines. However, I doubt the intention is to produce the new MiG-29M version(9-25) with TVC engines as standard - I think it is a similar deal as with the "Su-37".....namely to make a one-off TVC demonstrator and then offer TVC engines as an accessory if the customer requests it. The Su35 is not in service. Some examples exist, but it is not an operational fighter with the Russian air force . . . . and neither is it ever intended to be. The Russians are currently upgrading their Su27s, but sticking with the same airframe. Hmm - well it depends on what you mean by being "in service" - the Russian Knights are actually operating a handful, and they are an actual combat unit....so :) . Anyway, originally a squadron worth(12 airframes) of Su-35 prototypes were produced. However, on MAKS-2001(IIRC) a slightly different looking Su-35 prototype was displayed and refered to as being the "production version". Additionally I have seen some indication that the Su-35 might actually be about to enter(perhaps limited) service as a "stop gap" until the "PAK-FA" is ready. But you are right that currently the main efforts seems to be with upgrading existing Su-27 and MiG-29 airframes(to Su-27SM and MiG-29SMT standards respectively). Cheers, - JJ. JJ
Force_Feedback Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 Lol, the su-35 is "operational" with the Russian Knights, so they do have operational su-35, just not for combat. Any news on that new Sukhoi design? Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 It's never been mentioned. Also consider that not all the information required to model it is in the public domain - i.e. you get arrested for spying if you model the aircraft correctly. Fun! :p hehe, that be fun especially as most if not all of ED are in russia, off to the gulag wiv em.
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