Processor vs. Graphics card in Lomac

[aimmaverick]

I have been reading in these forums all over and over again that some people claim that processor is more important than gpu and others which claim that gpu is the most important. So what is it? I personally think that gpu is the most important part and particually its clock speed. I saw comparison on some site which compared several processors in game and the game rocked with fx-55 but improvement with fx-57 was minimal. Just 1 or 2 FPS. So it is my thinking that we will need fx-55 class processor to run everything maxed out together with EXTREME HIGH END graphics card or possibly two. This indicates that to run game smoothly you would first need high end processor which is preraquisite for all other things. And then it will be imperative that you have the absolute best Gpu on the planet. So I think that still gpu is the most important thing to have. You can have exellent processor, but without high end gpu (2) your FPS will still suck with full settings.

[Sleek]

welcome to lockon! :)

[Maulkin]

I think it really comes down to what your bottleneck is. And that could be your CPU, GPU, RAM (speed and/or amount, and even the motherboard. The tricky part is figuring out what that bottleneck is. ;)

[Pilotasso]

If you have a decent card then the CPU becomes the thing to improve. Anything better than a 9800 pro will do.

[Yellonet]

Well, if you like nice graphics you need a good graphics card, however the CPU si IMO more important as this game loads the processor hard with graphics independant calculations such as flight models, radar and such.

 

So, you need a good graphics if you want it to be pretty.

And you need a good processor if you want it to run good.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Processor is more important when you have more objects in a mission (ground units, lots of airplanes, airplanes firing missiles, rockets and etc). Graphics card is always important.

[504MrWolf]

CPU is the daddy here m8.....there are Dual SLI 7800 owners here that gained 1 fps over their old 6800GT setups.

 

I moved from 2.4gig to 3.0gig P4 and gained nearly double FPS with eye candy on, also 1gig of RAM is paramount and going to 2 gig would probally make the game run much smoother but not gain big FPS.

 

Plus even if you run your Lockon flat out your team mates probally wont be, so the scenario would be "tally on bandit !" "what bandit ?" "high at 11oclock!" "you mean the bandit thats just popped into my radar at 128km notch?!" "yeah thats the one!!"..................so pros and cons are equalled.

 

Just make lockon fly smooth.......and enjoy the flight, worry about FPS ? join a overclockers forum and play 1st person shooters ;)

[S77th-GOYA]

CPU is the daddy here m8.....there are Dual SLI 7800 owners here that gained 1 fps over their old 6800GT setups.

 

I'm not so sure that is entirely true. What really matters to me is the minimum frame encountered during play. In other words, if I ever get a slideshow. I just built a new system and did some testing last night.

 

System: AMD64 3500+ (2.2Ghz) X800XL (400/980) 1G Mushkin PC3200 RAM

 

Incomplete results (using Fraps):

 

Res = 1600 x 1200

 

Avg: 41.108 - Min: 9 - Max: 117 - 2.65Ghz/vid card OC

 

Avg: 37.013 - Min: 8 - Max: 117 - 2.65Ghz/vid card default

 

Avg: 39.396 - Min: 9 - Max: 97 - 2.2Ghz/mem loose/vid card OC

 

Avg: 36.146 - Min: 8 - Max: 98 - 2.2Ghz/mem loose/vid card default

 

 

Res = 1280 x 960

 

Avg: 51.971 - Min: 11 - Max: 117 - 2.65Ghz/vid card OC

 

If you look at the minimum frames, it is not dependent on the cpu at all, but improves when the vid card is either OCed or at a lower resolution, thus taking stress away from the vid card.

 

These results were obtained using the A-10 CAS track starting when the first Mav is fired and running for 4 minutes.

 

(mem loose denotes that I was too lazy to tighten up the memory timings when I put the cpu OC back to default)

 

Admittedly, this is too small a sample of data to have a solid conclusion. If we could all run the same test on the same track with the same settings it might provide a better answer.

[504MrWolf]

yeah IMO all these tests that are being thrown about says that if you play that mission this is what you'll get. What about more demanding missions ?

 

I could make a mission that would really push your PC, but no one else could play online with you unless they had your pc spec or better. So paying all that cash for a uber pc IMO amounts to little when you play Lockon online as the missions are all average.........im not setting another VVS504 server day for UBER PC owners lol ;)

[S77th-konkussion]

Personally- my view is simple- they are both important in LOMAC

[beterhans]

in my option.

the System Memory and Graphic Memory are the most important in LOMAC

[GGTharos]

And that's simply not true. LOMAC hammers both CPU and GPU /easily/.

[504MrWolf]

sitting on the fence is not an option Kon !!

 

get down and debate ! ;) :D

[S77th-GOYA]

yeah IMO all these tests that are being thrown about says that if you play that mission this is what you'll get. What about more demanding missions ?

 

I'd say a mission that brings the min FPS down to single digits is demanding enough. My guess is that if there were 150 more moving ground units in that A-10 track, the max frames would be lower and the min would be the same. My point is that in most situations, when folks hit a slide show, it's because the vid card can't cope. That is not to say that the cpu doesn't matter because in some situations it matters a great deal.

 

Whether your max FPS is 40 or 120 doesn't matter much to game play, whether your min FPS is 25 or 8 matters a great deal. In my testing it appears that max FPS is cpu dependent while min FPS is vid card dependent. Avg. FPS can be deceptive and doesn't provide the data that matters most.

[S77th-konkussion]

sitting on the fence is not an option Kon !!

 

get down and debate ! ;) :D

 

LMAO!! OMG I've become John McCain..

 

 

No really- both items are critical- and you can't go out and get a state of the art GPU and expect it to change the world mated to a poor CPU. I tend to lean more towards graphics processing only because there seems to be more growth in this area lately. I'm a sucker for the eye candy- I was ranting on TS the other night before I reinstalled cause I was having to turn mine down to improve play. :icon_axe: I reckon we are about to jump up to the next level on both but LOMAC aint written to take advantage of SLI. etc etc...... im being interupted (working)

[TucksonSonny]

I have been reading in these forums all over and over again that some people claim that processor is more important than gpu and others which claim that gpu is the most important. So what is it? I personally think that gpu is the most important part and particually its clock speed. I saw comparison on some site which compared several processors in game and the game rocked with fx-55 but improvement with fx-57 was minimal. Just 1 or 2 FPS. So it is my thinking that we will need fx-55 class processor to run everything maxed out together with EXTREME HIGH END graphics card or possibly two. This indicates that to run game smoothly you would first need high end processor which is preraquisite for all other things. And then it will be imperative that you have the absolute best Gpu on the planet. So I think that still gpu is the most important thing to have. You can have exellent processor, but without high end gpu (2) your FPS will still suck with full settings.

 

Let me throw in a new dilemma:

3800/4000+ with SLI 2x7800GTX

Or FX-55/57 with 1x7800GTX

Of course FX-57 with SLI 2x7800GTX would be nice too :biggrin:

I just wonder: how big is the SLI double video deal with FC?

[BuzzU]

Let me throw in a new dilemma:

3800/4000+ with SLI 2x7800GTX

Or FX-55/57 with 1x7800GTX

Of course FX-57 with SLI 2x7800GTX would be nice too :biggrin:

I just wonder: how big is the SLI double video deal with FC?

 

 

I'm seriously thinking of:

 

Duel 3800

1x 7800GTX

 

As my next upgrade from:

P4 3.2

800XT PE

 

I'm trying to decide if it's going to help the stutters I get in FC now. I keep trying FC, and then the stutters keep driving me back out. Stutters seem to annoy me more than anything else a PC can do.

[TucksonSonny]

I'm seriously thinking of:

 

Duel 3800

1x 7800GTX

 

As my next upgrade from:

P4 3.2

800XT PE

 

I'm trying to decide if it's going to help the stutters I get in FC now. I keep trying FC, and then the stutters keep driving me back out. Stutters seem to annoy me more than anything else a PC can do.

 

What you are asking is dual core like X2 4800+

The question is: Is lomac/FC or anything else on the market already taking advantage of dual core processors?

[BuzzU]

Well, not really my question. I've seen tests that shows that DC 4800 out performs a P4 3.2 in Lomac in fps. The 7800 GTX also kicks my vid cards butt too. I'm also considering upping the ram from 1g to 2g.

 

My real question is, will it get rid of the stutters? I get stutters now while still getting 60 fps. Will more fps do any good, or will it be wasted money to get LO to run smooth.

 

I can run F4AF with my system at 1600 res 4xfssa/16af and all settings at max. No stutters. If upgrading my system won't get rid of the LO stutters. I'll just stay with my system and F4.

[S77th-GOYA]

Buzz, are you shutting down all the unneeded processes before loading LOMAC? Like your anti-virus fortress, for example?

[BuzzU]

I gave up on Trend Micro, and switched to AVG. Are you asking me if I turn it off before running LO? If you mean something else. Please explain.

 

I'm a virus magnet and I don't want to turn it off.

[S77th-GOYA]

Formatting your system is a hobby for you anyway, so give it a try and see if your freezes stop. You play offline anyway, don't you? Just disconnect the router or whatever you have.

[TucksonSonny]

Well, not really my question. I've seen tests that shows that DC 4800 out performs a P4 3.2 in Lomac in fps. The 7800 GTX also kicks my vid cards butt too. I'm also considering upping the ram from 1g to 2g.

 

My real question is, will it get rid of the stutters? I get stutters now while still getting 60 fps. Will more fps do any good, or will it be wasted money to get LO to run smooth.

 

I can run F4AF with my system at 1600 res 4xfssa/16af and all settings at max. No stutters. If upgrading my system won't get rid of the LO stutters. I'll just stay with my system and F4.

 

If you like high AA/AF then 7800GTX is a good choice. The funny part is that the older 6800Ultra is faster in lower resolutions and also with 0xAA/0xAF than the newer 7800GTX.

 

My guess is that stutters are maybe a processor problem. My FX-55 handles 1600x1200 with 20-115 FPS if I stay with 2xAA/4xAF (going higher will decrease FPS but no stutters anyway).

 

Another fact is that the lower the resolution is set, the higher is the difference is that the processor make. Thus with 1600x1200 the video card become more important than the processor.

 

My conclusion is: in 1600x1200 the video is the bottle neck but anyway 1600x1200 is heaven (You will never turn back 16x12 back once you are used to it).

 

PS. I run FF3.1.1/Cobra 1.1.1. in 1600x1200 8xAA/16xAF on Max settings with 75+ FPS in campaign :horseback

[BuzzU]

Formatting your system is a hobby for you anyway, so give it a try and see if your freezes stop. You play offline anyway, don't you? Just disconnect the router or whatever you have.

 

The plan is to play online if I could get it smooth. So, disabling the AVG is not an option.

 

I don't think formatting will help either. How do you think I went through so many activations? I kept thinking a clean install will help. It never did and still doesn't.

 

btw..I'm almost out of activations again..:)

[504MrWolf]

try a faster HDD ? Maybe stuttering comes from slow access speed. If you have 3+gig of RAM i think WIN XP stops using HDD swapfile and uses the ram. Dont quote me though what a friend told me.