JaNk0 Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Hmm i have read the forums and the quetions still goes on in my head, what is the next patch/addon/game or whatever it's called? what i got straight is that the Lock On: Black Shark but what more is "planed"? are the US side getting F-16? or is the next step another russian plane? I'm not critical against that the russia has more planes then US side, just want to put the pices on there place in my head :rolleyes: Thnx in advance! ;) P.S. Sry about my english :icon_roll [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Woodstock Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 They are not going to tell you. Or anyone else...:( "For aviators like us, the sky is not the limit - it's our home!"
mr_john_doe Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Black Shark The next add-on for Lo-Mac is Black Shark, which will contain a flyable helicopter, the Russian Ka-50. And this will, sadly, probably be the last add-on for Lo-Mac. The next game for ED will be "Tank Killers", and after that an F-16 sim
Yellonet Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 The next patch 1.12 which contains several bug fixes. The next addon is 1.2 (Black Shark) which will include bugfixes as well as new features such as ballistics models for missiles and other weapons. Oh, and a extremely detailed flyable Ka-50 with AFM, ADM, and 6DOF ;) The F-16 is a (potential?) project for the future (other side of 2010?), but I think they have another project (Tank Destroyers?) planned before that one. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
JaNk0 Posted November 24, 2005 Author Posted November 24, 2005 The next patch 1.12 which contains several bug fixes. The next addon is 1.2 (Black Shark) which will include bugfixes as well as new features such as ballistics models for missiles and other weapons. Oh, and a extremely detailed flyable Ka-50 with AFM, ADM, and 6DOF ;) The F-16 is a (potential?) project for the future (other side of 2010?), but I think they have another project (Tank Destroyers?) planned before that one. Can somebody tell me what kind of game "tank destroyers" will be? Simulator? Something with Lockon? Or tanks nowdays? And for the F-16 sim, it's really sad that it wouldn't become an addon for lockon. WHY wouldn't anyone do a F-16 sim or F-18? (i know, classief. information) :( [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Whisper Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 AFAIK, tank killers would be a ground attack simulator, featuring A10, Su25(T), Ka-50, and Apache, upgraded to top ED technology (AFM and all) and probably some other new goodies. Whisper of old OFP & C6 forums, now Kalbuth. Specs : i7 6700K / MSI 1070 / 32G RAM / SSD / Rift S / Virpil MongooseT50 / Virpil T50 CM2 Throttle / MFG Crosswind. All but Viggen, Yak52 & F16
Yellonet Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Can somebody tell me what kind of game "tank destroyers" will be? Simulator? Something with Lockon? Or tanks nowdays? And for the F-16 sim, it's really sad that it wouldn't become an addon for lockon. WHY wouldn't anyone do a F-16 sim or F-18? (i know, classief. information) :( I'm guessing it will be a sim that focuses on the Su-25T and the A-10. Regarding the F-16 sim (and Tank Killers or whatever it's called), there's a lot of "bad" code in LockOn, so I hope for a new more efficient game with a MUCH better editor. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
Yellonet Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 AFAIK, tank killers would be a ground attack simulator, featuring A10, Su25(T), Ka-50, and Apache, upgraded to top ED technology (AFM and all) and probably some other new goodies.And then everybody is going to whine about not having any fighters to shoot down the mud-movers with :p i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
JaNk0 Posted November 24, 2005 Author Posted November 24, 2005 AFAIK, tank killers would be a ground attack simulator, featuring A10, Su25(T), Ka-50, and Apache, upgraded to top ED technology (AFM and all) and probably some other new goodies. Ermm, Apache?:icon_conf Yellonet, thnx for the fact but is this offical? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Nothing after 1.2 is official. It's just pie in the sky plans. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Guest ruggbutt Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 So that would make yet another answer by Yellonet incorrect.
Whisper Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Ermm, Apache?:icon_conf Mmmh, yes, Apache, like in "West ground attack chopper" ;) And like pointed earlier, all this is "would be", there's no "fact", just rumors and speculations. Not even sure that Tank Killers will be ever born, or even that's it's really planned :p Whisper of old OFP & C6 forums, now Kalbuth. Specs : i7 6700K / MSI 1070 / 32G RAM / SSD / Rift S / Virpil MongooseT50 / Virpil T50 CM2 Throttle / MFG Crosswind. All but Viggen, Yak52 & F16
Yellonet Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 So that would make yet another answer by Yellonet incorrect.*removed* i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
Cobra360 Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 And if the AH-64 is flyable in TK it will be the first two seat flyable. Just a thought.
Shaman Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 If ED chooses to dump fighter planes, only because they use simplier flight model and do not qualify to be a part of their next quality product I'm out of words. It is a step backward in my opinion. New product from Eagle Dynamic should have a general title that also totally cuts them off from UBI's legacy. I'm thinking of something like: AIRSTRIKE 1.0 etc. Rethink, rewrite, upgrade engine, or whatever. Then transplant all the flyables from LockOn, add new aircraft and/or upgrade existent ones as you choose and time allows and release new title. After that upgrade the title with payable extensions, 1.1, 1.2, 1.5, ..2.0 No secondary titles..like AIRSTRIKE: GROUNDLOVERS, AIRSTRIKE: SUPERFIGHTERPLANE, AIRSTRIKE: FLANKERATTACK What you really must do is to KEEP the same brand name AIRSTRIKE, and just change version numbers, and after years this brand will be so well established, that when someone hears AIRSTRIKE it is like he hears MS Flight Simulator. Notice that MS FS is still a simulation with long learning curve, but it has one of the best sales. (and there's no fun in blowing up things, or fun multiplayer - just serious and laggy VATSIM). MS Flight Simulator sales are because of already well established brand which is easily recognizable even by people who are not into flight simulations. Don't do JUST ground-attack sim, or JUST F-16 sim etc. Because you'll divide already established community that stays together for just the oustanding multiplayer capability of LockOn that allows operation of diffrent kind of aircrafts within the same online session. I hope someone from Eagle Dynamics will read that, and forward it to collegues from work, otherwise my hopes are lost. I'm really thinking all that idea about developing diffrent simulations is totally wrong. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Guest ruggbutt Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 While I understand your point shamndgg, think of it this way. After 1.2 a new "product" or name has to be given to this sim engine. Lock On can't be used because of contractual issues with UBI. Now if ED does indeed do the K50/AH64/A10/Su25 package, it would most likely be the first installment of that series. Much like 1.1 and 1.2 are installments to Lock On, future installments to the "Tank Killer" sim might include a fast mover package. It could be that they're working on including all the concepts of a modern battlefield. The Su25 and soon the K50 will have AFM, which from what I've read is the hardest part of modeling those a/c. They could always add more fidelity to the button/switches pushing but they have half of the Tank Killers AFM's done (or close to). Either way we could very well see a Mig/F16 addon. That's just my interpretation. I could be wrong, I have been plenty of times before.
Shaman Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 After 1.2 a new "product" or name has to be given to this sim engine. Lock On can't be used because of contractual issues with UBI. I know that, I think you haven't read my post carefully :confused: Entire point of my post is that ED wants to drop fighter planes because they will not meet probably quality of their next product, and might come as an addon to it after a year or more. Instead of just keeping the fighter planes in and upgrading them later with hiqh quality addon - AFM for fighter planes, new pits etc.) Or ED may be even considering dividing branches into fighter sims, and ground attack sims, which is bad idea IMHO. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Guest ruggbutt Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 The only thing that is concrete is that Black Shark is coming. After that there have only been rumors. I think we're jumping the gun.
Doug97 Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 The only thing that is concrete is that Black Shark is coming. After that there have only been rumors. I think we're jumping the gun. So it's not definite that we're going to be saddled with the F16? Hooray! :icon_jook
Guest ruggbutt Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Saddled? How can an improvement of any kind be considered us being "stuck" with it?
britgliderpilot Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Saddled? How can an improvement of any kind be considered us being "stuck" with it? An F16 pilot probably stole his girlfriend :p I wonder if anyone actually pays attention to the flip side of the (planned) F16 coin? i.e. . . . . . . the (potential) AFM, high fidelity avionics, utterly droolable advanced MiG29? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
S77th-GOYA Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 An F16 pilot probably stole his girlfriend That sounds vaguely familiar.
504MrWolf Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Yellownet is our chief spam monkey !! :D ;) 1.12 then 1.2 Black Shark.........Lockon Legacy ends. (This is unless ED have another spark of genius in the night, as they have been known) Anything else is pure speculation. I dont know anything about a KA50,AH64,Su25T,A10 "Tank Killers" from what ive heard/told its a F-16/A-10 title after Lockon. But i should just stick with the 1.12 and 1.2 story for now as that is definate ! www.VVS504.co.uk www.lockonskins.co.uk
britgliderpilot Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 That sounds vaguely familiar. Well, you know the reputation those guys have . . . . . . . ;) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Whatever they do make, it will be worth buying, and I for one will stick with ED for simulation's. If they can keep doing what they do now, but make it just that touch better than all the rest of the competitors, As lockon is now compared to other sim's, then ED have got a real lucrative career ahead of them. I think ED, may be looking to release a new title, that over the years will combine to give the end user the option of using practically any type of platform, for example, they start with another flight sim whatever it may be called, then they release a armour addon for tank lovers etc and then a year or 2 from that they release a ship sim, which when combined together like say Pacific fighters merged with Forgotten battles etc, it will end up as one truly massive game where you can pick whatever type of military hardware that you find appealing. If I was a simulation developer, thats the way I would be thinking about the future. I may just be dreaming, but I seriously think thats what ED may have in mind. And if so, what a simulation it would be, imagine going online, and say your side only has 20Ac available, once those are gone, you have to use ground stuff or ships to complete the mission. Truly immersive and a much more diverse game than just jumping into planes all the time. Envisage a battlefield 2 scenario, but as a proper simulation instead of a fps, anything that is on the battlefield is available to use. Maybe even have an fps element, but not as crazy as proper FPS games. Now if bf2 could be ported into a proper sim that would be the king of games/sims right there. All this depends on the hardware, and for the foreseeable future it is just a pipedream. But what a future it could be if it did happen.
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