Dirk the Jerk Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Does anyone know of a training syllabus for constructing a properly formated 9 line. :book: I like playing the roll of ground troops. I spent a short time while in the Army in my secondary MOS 13F Forward Obs but never handled AG directing fire. Just thinking forward to siming in CA as a JTAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra99 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Does anyone know of a training syllabus for constructing a properly formated 9 line. :book: I like playing the roll of ground troops. I spent a short time while in the Army in my secondary MOS 13F Forward Obs but never handled AG directing fire. Just thinking forward to siming in CA as a JTAC If ya need a server to practice in, -=TAC=- has a server up most evenings... Having a live JTAC would be great! 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk the Jerk Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) EricJ Thanks for the response. Sadly I do not AKO have access. Got out of he service in 92 after the Gulf (3/3 ACR Go Cav!) A PM would be great. Edited January 30, 2013 by Dirk the Jerk stupi and cannot type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk the Jerk Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 If ya need a server to practice in, -=TAC=- has a server up most evenings... Having a live JTAC would be great! I will have to get the process down and then come check you guys out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madone Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Hi, being a JTAC is rock hard (in Europa atleast) and most of the documentations are classified. Did you check the documentation in this thread? http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=60293 I think so.. Strike Posture Set CAS Center of Excellence Intel Core i5 4690k @4,6Ghz, Gigabyte GTX 970 OC, Gigabyte Z97-X, 16GB G Skill Sniper @2400, Samsung 860/850 EVO , Win 10 64 bits, Dual monitors 27"@144"Opentrack + TM Warthog + Saitek pro flight combat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NECK Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Hi, being a JTAC is rock hard (in Europa atleast) and most of the documentations are classified. Did you check the documentation in this thread? http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=60293 I think so.. Not really. Most of the documents are really unclassified... Jfire: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/doctrine/dod/t0302060.pdf Jpub: https://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward for there you have been, and there you will always long to return" 132nd Public documents - Want to apply? - 132nd Youtube channel - 132nd Discord Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk the Jerk Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 Got the hook up thanks EricJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk the Jerk Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 Thanks for the links NECK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk the Jerk Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 Thanks Madone. Yes I saw the doc post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 If guys want to do JTAC stuff, I'd host a server. Know a thing or two about JTACery and have built some missions that are tailored around being a JTAC. Paco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Forget the 9 line and just go HAWG wild with friendly centric CAS. The meat and potatoes of the 9 line are there anyways. Visual friendlies and Tally TGT. Remarks No over flight of friendlies, weapon selection, any required airspace deconfliction. GO TO TOWN TROOPS! My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris CDN Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) NECK already posted a link for the 1997 JFIRE, but here's a much more recent version. Edited March 14, 2013 by Chris CDN Spelling is hard NSDQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 You dont have to mark any locations. Just tally and give a final attack heading off of that. I agree not everyone here goes in depth but why through the JFIRE at them. Give them a simple 5 line and remarks. the same intent is achieved. Chris CDN. Are you at 427? 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Read back of a friendly position is not necessary. Thats a training must for training purposes. Now if your looking at Danger Close a visual friendly call helps. If your doing a Type 1 control and blow yourself up. Thats your fault as the JTAC should always be observing the geometry of the attacking aircraft on final. More over you I think you settled this debate if you will in your last post. Line 1-2-3 NA. No one here will start plotting IPs and key hole CAS. You then added readbacks. Do you really care if the pilot has the right altitude. Of course you do but we are playing an A-10 world right now where gun is where its at. i am confident no pilot will run their aircraft into the ground. Line 8 read back in the sim is taken away by the fact you can see them in the pod for the most part. Hence friendly centric cas is a sure fire way to get business done after safety and routing of aircraft. 9 line will be better applied when F series aircraft arrive. But for now why slow down the HOG. 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 If you look at my original post I state (visual friendlies , tally tgt). Are you not familiar with your own brevity? I stated you dont need a read back of line 8. It can be requested but doesnt have to happen. I assume you know what SPINS are. You should have read them. Couldnt care less about your comment regarding my nationality. Thats bad form. My intent is to provide this community knowledge on how many ways you can cut a CAS mission. It appears to be a competition of winning and loosing for you. Thats a shame. 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 JFIRE and 3093 says read back of 4 and 6 are the only mandatory readbacks. You should read it sometime. 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Now your talking theatre specific SPINS (special instructions). Afghanistan is over. I would not encourage people to become as restrictive as that AO became. Keep to the book. And I keep forget you were a JFO. Not a JTAC. 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersheep Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 What's the difference between a JTAC and a JFO? Super- The PVC Pipe Joystick Stand How to thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Have a read here. http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA498217 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Your post says it MAY include. You may not know this but that means you dont have to put it in there. You may also have difficulty reading cause you seem very emotional. Let me direct you to my first original post (visual friendlies, tally tgt) EricJ what your preaching I posted in my first post. This is the second time I mention this. 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Is it not safe to say that obviously if he is giving a visual friendlies you have already talked him on friendlies? You mentioned you need to read back line 8. You can ask for a read back but it doesnt have to be done. Maybe thats a JFO thing. I can understand how friendly location is so important to you since your making the cas brief for the JTAC but do you think a JTAC will have a friendly read back if he is more than 1km out! Options man. They exist. 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaOneSix Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I'm too cool for school so I use a 5-line instead of a 9-line because that's just how I roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDR Spectre Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Gentlemen, please. This is rapidly turning into a "mine is bigger than yours" arguement. Can either of you tell me how the last 15 or so posts that the two of you have made in ANY way answer the original question??? Here's a hint: they DON'T. Lighten up. This is a piece of commercial entertainment software. Yes, I know it was originally based on military training software but it is NOT, repeat, NOT a military training tool. Every individual has the right to use the software however they choose. There is no "right" or "wrong" way to enjoy the bloody thing. Thank you and good day. Edited March 15, 2013 by CDR Spectre [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] It's not the fall that gets you. It's the Godawful sudden stop at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Are you even reading the same conversation? Sad to see you get so upset but youll have to get along with others and understand there isnt just one way of doing business. Plus the 9 line is standard across the 5 services. Not just two. read the book and my previous posts 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Spectre thanks for the heads up. Truth be told my buddies and I want to see where this fella was going. We fully accept responsibility for bringing it farther then where it had to go. However Im sure you can get at least a little something out of it. Best. 63 My CAS (Close air support) JTAC Channel: RIFLE - YouTube RIFLE's Discord: https://discord.gg/cmDCrr4Z2g Publications JTAC Bible (see/know chapter #5) https://fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/jp3_09_3.pdf J-FIRE pocket guide (Don't do battle without it!) BK2 (fas.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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